All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

[Fishbone Jones]

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[SeaKingTacco]

There are many issues were provinces over step into federal domain, and try and dictate terms. AB and pipelines is a prime example, the feds can't speak for the other provinces. AB having sheriff's waste resources to try and take over policing the border, when that's federal domain is another

Many? Which “many”? Be specific.

On pipelines, Alberta neither dictated, nor strayed into Federal Jurisdiction.

There was a naive belief that the federal government would enforce the part of the constitution concern works crossing provincial borders, but alas-no, they didn’t.

As for the border: perhaps the feds should hire the 2-3000 more CBSA officers that have been recommended for years. Alberta actually has better things to do than that.

For the record, I think Smith is a muppet and I do not think very much of her government.

 

[brihard]

Many? Which “many”? Be specific.

On pipelines, Alberta neither dictated, nor strayed into Federal Jurisdiction.

There was a naive belief that the federal government would enforce the part of the constitution concern works crossing provincial borders, but alas-no, they didn’t.

As for the border: perhaps the feds should hire the 2-3000 more CBSA officers that have been recommended for years. Alberta actually has better things to do than that.

For the record, I think Smith is a muppet and I do not think very much of her government.

CBSA work at ports of entry, save for some inland criminal investigations. Border enforcement between POE using Customs Act and Immigration provisions is RCMP. All I know about Alberta’s teams is from reading in the news, but my understanding is they’ve basically sent teams to work in the border area using existing criminal law authorities (eg drug trafficking and exporting, firearms trafficking, human trafficking), plus some provincial commercial vehicle enforcement powers. In the course of this they also have some tools and tech and will be able to call in other stuff they see but for which they may lack legal authorities (such as straight Customs or IRPA stuff). So, to my distant eye, it augments federal policing roles, but doesn’t usurp them. Overlap between federal policing and provincial/municipal is by no means unheard of. I don’t see an overreach issue here. There’s valid provincial concern at play too.

 

[lenaitch]

Many? Which “many”? Be specific.

On pipelines, Alberta neither dictated, nor strayed into Federal Jurisdiction.

There was a naive belief that the federal government would enforce the part of the constitution concern works crossing provincial borders, but alas-no, they didn’t.

As for the border: perhaps the feds should hire the 2-3000 more CBSA officers that have been recommended for years. Alberta act.ually has better things to do than that.

For the record, I think Smith is a muppet and I do not think very much of her government.

I'm no constitutional expert but number 1 - 3 seem kinda 'federaly'.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902788823555379208

 

[PrairieFella]

I'm no constitutional expert but number 1 - 3 seem kinda 'federaly'.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902788823555379208

"I demand my province gets to set policy for other provinces"

 

[SeaKingTacco]

"I demand my province gets to set policy for other provinces"

Please go read section 92a of Constitution Act and then come back once you have and see if you still want to make the same comment.

 

[PrairieFella]

Please go read section 92a of Constitution Act and then come back once you have and see if you still want to make the same comment.

And how does this negate that BC has jurisdiction over the management of their coastal resources? Alberta is trying to force BC in one way or another, which is hypocritical, regardless if I think that BC should play ball.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

And how does this negate that BC has jurisdiction over the management of their coastal resources? Alberta is trying to force BC in one way or another, which is hypocritical, regardless if I think that BC should play ball.

Where does section 92A state that a Province has jurisdiction over marine waters?

What does the constitution say about powers not otherwise allocated? (Hint- the feds get them)

 

[PrairieFella]

Where does section 92A state that a Province has jurisdiction over marine waters?

What does the constitution say about powers not otherwise allocated? (Hint- the feds get them)

The province has control of everything right up to the water, which gives BC the jurisdiction here, I said  coastal, I didnt say marine.

Look, I think BC should play ball but forcing them into it by dogwhistling separatist shit ain't the way to do it. Maybe Alberta could try to negotiate in good faith and make a deal with BC and their stakeholders instead of having their Premier stoke up the lunatics on the right-fringe of her Party.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

The province has control of everything right up to the water, which gives BC the jurisdiction here, I said  coastal, I didnt say marine.

Look, I think BC should play ball but forcing them into it by dogwhistling separatist shit ain't the way to do it. Maybe Alberta could try to negotiate in good faith and make a deal with BC and their stakeholders instead of having their Premier stoke up the lunatics on the right-fringe of her Party.

Sorry, I misunderstood you.

And I fully agree with you on the second part. For the record, I don’t think she is a separatist, but she is playing with fire.

 

[PrairieFella]

Sorry, I misunderstood you.

All good haha, Mondays.

And I fully agree with you on the second part. For the record, I don’t think she is a separatist, but she is playing with fire.

I hum and haw on that one. On balance I think I agree, but she has spent far too much time convening with MAGA loons and far too much time boosting separatist talking points for me to write off completely that she is some sort of Manchurian candidate trying to split up Canada.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Sorry, I misunderstood you.

And I fully agree with you on the second part. For the record, I don’t think she is a separatist, but she is playing with fire.

Desperate people do that sometimes

Opinion: Deciphering Danielle Smith’s bows to separatism​

Since becoming UCP leader and Alberta premier, Danielle Smith has subtly and not so subtly pushed for provincial independence. Her stated patriotism for Canada has been late in coming and mostly lukewarm.

More telling are her recent moves making it easier for a small but vocal group within Alberta to introduce a referendum on separatism.

Smith says she is giving Albertans the opportunity to vent their anger and frustration, much of which she herself has stoked. (One wonders what her response would be if sufficient signatures were obtained to put the idea of nationalizing the oil industry to a referendum.)

Smith’s threats — like those employed by U.S. President Donald Trump — may simply be part of a bargaining strategy, albeit a poor one. She has listed nine demands, many of which are impossible for any federal government to grant. Additionally, several of these also tread on the jurisdiction of other provinces and the treaty rights of Indigenous peoples.

In 2013, she famously jumped into an alliance with then-premier Jim Prentice, seeing it as a quick road to political power. The road took a disastrous turn and she remained in the political wilderness for the next decade, but she continues to grab on to dubious ideas to which she is attracted.

If there is a strategy here, it can only be to ratchet up anger within her base.

It’s also possible that Smith may simply be engaging in distraction. She is facing enormous pressures on the home front over government policies and economic uncertainty as the price of oil once again does a swan dive.

Smith’s efforts at health-care restructuring are a conspicuous problem. She promised, on becoming premier, that she would fix health care in 90 days. Instead, things have gotten far worse. Additionally, a strong whiff of scandal hangs over the Health Ministry’s handling of private contracting, with no less than seven inquiries underway.

Finally, Smith’s policies and musings over separation may just reflect her chaotic style of managing. She often says things or takes stances based on an absence of facts or a consideration of all the consequences of her actions.

Some combination of all these explanations for Smith’s actions is likely correct.

In any case, for Albertans and Canadians, the stakes are high as Smith continues to wave support for separatism.

Opinion: Deciphering Danielle Smith’s bows to separatism

Smith pursues measures that bring Alberta closer to a constitutional crisis. Inquiring minds want to know, “why?”

calgaryherald.com

 

[QV]

People I know who work in the healthcare system state the changes happening will improve service in AB. There remains a lot of institutional resistance, which when you de-centralize control that tends to happen.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Danielle Smith is not a separatist what she is an opportunist.

 

[PrairieFella]

People I know who work in the healthcare system state the changes happening will improve service in AB. There remains a lot of institutional resistance, which when you de-centralize control that tends to happen.

From what's been in the media from experts, your acquaintances are probably wrong.

 

[Remius]

People I know who work in the healthcare system state the changes happening will improve service in AB. There remains a lot of institutional resistance, which when you de-centralize control that tends to happen.

I’m not familiar enough to know if the changes will do that or not.

From what you know, do those changes fix the health care exodus Alberta is facing?

Doctors warn nearly half intend to leave province in 5 years amid cloudy future of Alberta health care

Local leaders are echoing concerns about doctor shortages as the organization representing Alberta's doctors warns nearly half of the physicians surveyed are considering leaving the province within five years.

www.ctvnews.ca

This says the overhaul is making things worse.


And nurses are leaving Alberta at a higher rate than the national average.

Nearly half of young nurses in Alberta quitting before age 35: report

A study from the Montreal Economic Institute (MEI) suggests nearly half of young nurses in Alberta are quitting before their 35th birthday.

calgary.citynews.ca

Threats of separation will also likely not be helpful at attracting doctors and nurses if history is any indicator.

 

[QV]

From what's been in the media from experts, your acquaintances are probably wrong.

Ah... the media and the media's chosen "experts".

 

[PrairieFella]

Ah... the media and the media's chosen "experts".

As opposed to your chosen "experts"?

I'll go with what the doctors are saying in dozens of articles, thanks.

 

[QV]

A cursory search shows this about doctor pay, for example:

Alberta unveils long-awaited compensation model for family doctors

After months of waiting, Alberta unveiled a new physician compensation model Thursday which will be in place in the new year.

edmontonjournal.com

Even the NDP had some positivity with the GoA approach to family doctor pay.... that should make you re-consider that this might not be the Daniel Smith train wreck its being made out to be?

In AB, DS is taking actual action to overhaul a system that has been garbage. The holdouts, mainly the upper tier of a very top heavy centrally controlled organization, have been running resistance, as expected.

Just like you see in the CAF, there are always going to be cries from the those who don't want any change... if some had it their way we'd still be using the FN.

 

[Good2Golf]

Sure. Which province is attempting to create it’s own armed forces?

Yeah…or take over Crown responsibility for Treaty obligations of First Nations people in the province…