All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

[PrairieFella]

I did some quick research and this seems inaccurate. What I'm reading is that:




and



Immigrants don't have to meet our vaccination standards and theyre not refused entry because of it.

I can admit when im incorrect. Is that from Canada.ca?

 

[Kirkhill]

By ‘east’ you mean, BC, right?

That would be the Far East.....

What goes around comes around.

 

[OldSolduer]

Just a thought - are we comfortable talking about Proddies and Papes as well?

They have nothing to do with the Hutt clan, thank The Force.

 

[Remius]

They have nothing to do with the Hutt clan, thank The Force.

Yes. Stay on topic.

 

[Blackadder1916]

If you're vaccinated you should be ok, right? I mean heaven forbid you travel to any other place on earth which doesn't have the same childhood vaccine program you followed... heathens everywhere!

Having travelled (well vaccinated) to a number of countries that "didn't have the same childhood vaccine program", heathenism was rarely a factor in low vaccination rates. In most cases it was poverty. Not only were the countries unable to afford an equivalent program but the infrastructure necessary to accomplish such implementation was lacking. That is, few roads to access remote areas; no electrification to power refrigeration (plus no fridges); poor public transport so travel to vaccination clinics difficult; poor media access - if one doesn't know if, where and when to get vaccinated, they don't show up; security, if a government can't afford (or if they are part of the problem) to ensure that people (or the medical types providing vaccines) can assemble safely. Those are some of the problems I've encountered and while there may be some hesitancy based on belief systems, my experience has been that it is a minor impediment.

 

[lenaitch]

Religious exemptions for vaccines are a disaster and should be revoked. You want to play in society, you at least need the basic panel of shots. Measles, polio, diphtheria, etc. Enough of these simpletons putting the rest of us at risk.

I agree. In Ontario, childhood vaccinations can be exempted on medical, religious or conscience grounds. I will support a medical exemption provided it is based on an established medical diagnosis. For others, home schooling is always an option.

Unless someone can come up with empirical data, a lot of this discussion sounds like race/cultural-baiting or xenophobia . Like many other religions, there are many streams of anabaptism. In relation to Covid, it seems the Mennonite Church Canada didn't seem to have a problem:

A message from Mennonite Church Canada’s executive ministers on religious exemptions from COVID-19 vaccines

A message from Mennonite Church Canada’s executive ministers on religious ...

www.mennonitechurch.ca

I suspect that there is still a significant cadre of pasty white folks who don't do anything particular on a Sunday morning, still drive around with f*ck Trudeau stickers and for whom RFK Jr is a thought leader.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Exemptions for anything based on Religion is garbage. Magic man in the sky and your personal beliefs shouldn't dictate reality.

The death rate may not be currenly as high but BC and Ontario seem to have similar vaccination issues and hot spots.

I believe BC has a lower measles vaccination rate than Alberta and roughly the same population.

I can admit when im incorrect. Is that from Canada.ca?

It was a few places including www.visaplace.com

Ironically, even being deemed medically inadmissable doesn't mean you're inadmissable.

If a person is deemed to be inadmissible due to medical reasons, they may still be eligible to enter Canada. A Temporary Resident Permit may allow a person to enter Canada if their necessity for entry exceeds the danger of their stay in the nation. Medical inadmissibility can be overcome if there are legitimate humanitarian and compassionate grounds for a person to be permitted into Canada

 

[PrairieFella]

The death rate may not be currenly as high but BC and Ontario seem to have similar vaccination issues and hot spots.

I believe BC has a lower measles vaccination rate than Alberta and roughly the same population.



It was a few places including www.visaplace.com

Ironically, even being deemed medically inadmissable doesn't mean you're inadmissable.

Careful citing those sites. A lot of them are scam fronts to get application fees out of foreigners abroad.

 

[OldSolduer]

In all seriousness we need to be careful about vaccinations and who should be exempted.

Its not a black and white issue. I am all for Vaccination but I am not tossing people under the health care bus if they don't get vaccinated.

 

[Blackadder1916]

I can admit when im incorrect. Is that from Canada.ca?

Do I have to get certain vaccinations before I arrive in Canada?

ircc.canada.ca

Do I have to get certain vaccinations before I arrive in Canada?
No, you do not have to get certain vaccinations. The pre-departure vaccination services offered through the IFHP are voluntary.

If a panel physician associated with the International Organization for Migration does your immigration medical exam, they may offer you vaccines to update your immunization status before you arrive in Canada. If you choose to get vaccinated overseas, you should bring your vaccination record to Canada.

 

[HavokFour]

In all seriousness we need to be careful about vaccinations and who should be exempted.

Its not a black and white issue. I am all for Vaccination but I am not tossing people under the health care bus if they don't get vaccinated.

Preach.

My own brother who not only is allergic to the big 3 (egg, soy, tree nuts) is also allergic to several common components used in a bunch of vaccines. He still got all the basic ones, just required an entire team of allergists and the ICU on standby.

I can't even imagine the absolute nightmare parents go through that have kids with even more serious auto immune diseases that make getting vaccines completely impossible.

 

[PrairieFella]

Preach.

My own brother who not only is allergic to the big 3 (egg, soy, tree nuts) is also allergic to several common components used in a bunch of vaccines. He still got all the basic ones, just required an entire team of allergists and the ICU on standby.

I can't even imagine the absolute nightmare parents go through that have kids with even more serious auto immune diseases that make getting vaccines completely impossible.

This is exactly why they should be mandatory. Any leaky vaccines can and will kill thr immunocompromised.

 

[Jarnhamar]

This is exactly why they should be mandatory. Any leaky vaccines can and will kill thr immunocompromised.

What should the punishment be for refusing to get vaccinated?

 

[GR66]

What should the punishment be for refusing to get vaccinated?

Measles?

 

[PrairieFella]

What should the punishment be for refusing to get vaccinated?

Fines. Refused entry into public schools like the US. Exceptions only for medical reasons.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Measles?

Ahh, I thought he was referring to all vaccinations.

Fines.

We could fine people monthly for non-compliance.

Refused entry into public schools like the US.

46 states in the US allow religious exemptions and 13 states permit “philosophical” or personal belief exemptions. It seems like they're really wide open.


To do away with religious exemptions we'd probably have to crack open the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and remove the protections from there.

 

[OldSolduer]

What should the punishment be for refusing to get vaccinated?

This is the area I think we - society - needs to be careful.
Do we refuse them health care? IMO we can’t.

If we refuse the unvaccinated HC then who else can we deny HC to? Smokers? The morbidly obese? Suntanners who develop skin cancer? Alcoholics with liver issues?

 

[foresterab]

Fines. Refused entry into public schools like the US. Exceptions only for medical reasons.

Where do you draw the line though? Employment due to putting co-workers at risk? Medical care due to putting other patients at risk? Emergency response? Slippery slopes to go down and the more you isolated and push people to the side the higher the pressure on the zealotry aspects.

Super frustrated at the measles thing though in AB. Can pretty much draw a line...despite being 8 hours and 6 hours away from the two areas where it might be at. And I live in a riding where a blue rock will be acclaimed a liberal thinker and not right wing enough....but most understand the value of vaccinations.

 

[Jarnhamar]

This is the area I think we - society - needs to be careful.
Do we refuse them health care? IMO we can’t.

People here wanted to refuse health care to Canadians who weren't vaccinated for covid.

If we refuse the unvaccinated HC then who else can we deny HC to? Smokers? The morbidly obese? Suntanners who develop skin cancer? Alcoholics with liver issues?

And this was the counter argument.

 

[QV]

But why stop there? We can do better. Here, if you want to scale up:

- all autos will be speed governed and GPS monitored to never exceed posted limits, speed kills

- social credit score based on your political beliefs and climate footprint, this score is the basis for your level of access to other life privileges such as crossing borders, or access to public/private venues