Halifax Tar
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Dougie just keeps hitting dingers
First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)
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OldSolduer
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Followed by the apology
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Doug Ford apologizes for ‘hat in hand’ comment on First Nations
Ontario Premier Doug Ford has issued an apology for comments that were slammed as “racist” by First Nations leaders.
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A quick and easy work-around ....
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... which may not do much in practice because from what little I know, the Act covers things that must/can be done or not done on reserve land, and I can't forsee too, too many pipeline projects or mines being within reserve properties. I also vaguely remember some reserve lands are designated for oil development, and that there's a specific bit of Indian Affairs/INAC/ISC that manages wells.
Federal power to sidestep Indian Act removed from major projects bill
OTTAWA - The federal government's major projects legislation was amended by opposition parties on Wednesday to withdraw the power the bill gave cabinet to sidestep the Indian Act, following weeks
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that's betterA quick and easy work-around ....
... which may not do much in practice because from what little I know, the Act covers things that must/can be done or not done on reserve land, and I can't forsee too, too many pipeline projectsFederal power to sidestep Indian Act removed from major projects bill
OTTAWA - The federal government's major projects legislation was amended by opposition parties on Wednesday to withdraw the power the bill gave cabinet to sidestep the Indian Act, following weeksor mines being within reserve properties.I also vaguely remember some reserve lands are designated for oil development, and that there's a specific bit of Indian Affairs/INAC/ISC that manages wells.
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What mines do you know of on reserve lands? Love to know. Or did I misunderstand your clarification?
sorry, quote "I can't foresee too many pipeline projects" end quote
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Ah, seen - thanks for that. And since it only takes one or two communities with feisty lawyers to block the sausage machine, barring any major wide-spread change of heart, I'd guess the same.
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Funny enough, if the government tries to engage in "meaningful consultation", the band must also engage and attempt to engage in a meaningful way. Some bands do actual try to make a meaningful impact during a review, others are just their for the money. They will put up roadblock, till a revenue sharing agreement is done and then magically their concerns disappear.
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Depends on how cynical you are
In all seriousness, in a grossly oversimplified nutshell, "meaningful consultation" is supposed to mean finding out what the project would mean to communities in the area affected, how to make changes to the project that would meet any concerns of those affected (typically, but not just, effects on hunting, fishing, water quality, usual land use, etc.), and if changes can't be made to mitigate, what could be done for the communities to compensate/accommodate them for the loss of whatever use they might lose.
That last bit - "what can be done to make up for you not being able to do x anymore, no matter how we change the project?" - can lead to a range of interpretations re: remedies, depending on your world view. One person's compensation for losing something that's hugely important to a community is another person's bribe to let the proponents get 'er done.
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There are those out there saying you can spend money, energy and time before you start so it’s all sorted, or you can spend money, energy and time in the courts (and breaking up protests?) once the process begins.
And even with your solution, again, all it takes is one to say “not enough”
One of the groups being consulted has a total population of less than 3000 yet they are the make or break barrier to much of the territory mining development and transportation network. I don't recall the same consideration being given to the people of Pickering or around Mirabel and there are a lot more of them. A wise man wrote that there are some people who are just more equal than othersDepends on how cynical you are
In all seriousness, in a grossly oversimplified nutshell, "meaningful consultation" is supposed to mean finding out what the project would mean to communities in the area affected, how to make changes to the project that would meet any concerns of those affected (typically, but not just, effects on hunting, fishing, water quality, usual land use, etc.), and if changes can't be made to mitigate, what could be done for the communities to compensate/accommodate them for the loss of whatever use they might lose.
That last bit - "what can be done to make up for you not being able to do x anymore, no matter how we change the project?" - can lead to a range of interpretations re: remedies, depending on your world view. One person's compensation for losing something that's hugely important to a community is another person's bribe to let the proponents get 'er done.
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I find it humorous that we have to acknowledge the land rights of certain tribes, but those tribes don't have to acknowledge the land rights of the tribes they conquered and took the land from in the first place.
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Quirky
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These land acknowledgements are more useless liberal woke drivel.
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We have legally determined that FN are entitled to make 'free, prior and informed consent'. How the parties make that happens is the devil in the details.
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I find it strange to hear land acknowledgements stating "unceded lands" when the treaty for that land clearly states for x dollars to every mbr of the tribe that was issued immediately they ceded the land. Have to agree it is useless woke drivel.
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On top of "unceded" lands, the popular one now is "on traditional territory".
