First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

[The Bread Guy]

One of the groups being consulted has a total population of less than 3000 yet they are the make or break barrier to much of the territory mining development and transportation network. I don't recall the same consideration being given to the people of Pickering or around Mirabel and there are a lot more of them …

If an issue in Pickering or Mirabel ended up leading to protests in other municipalities across the country, things might go differently for them, too.

On top of "unceded" lands, the popular one now is "on traditional territory".

I was in the public service for 20 years plus and “traditional territory” was a common term waaaay then. It’s an idea that’s been confirmed by the courts since the mid-1990’s, so it ain’t just a buzzword.

 

[lenaitch]

I find it strange to hear land acknowledgements stating "unceded lands" when the treaty for that land clearly states for x dollars to every mbr of the tribe that was issued immediately they ceded the land. Have to agree it is useless woke drivel.

Not all of Canada is covered by a treaty.

 

[quadrapiper]

If an issue in Pickering or Mirabel ended up leading to protests in other municipalities across the country, things might go differently for them, too.

I was in the public service for 20 years plus and “traditional territory” was a common term waaaay then. It’s an idea that’s been confirmed by the courts since the mid-1990’s, so it ain’t just a buzzword.

Both accurate and noncommittal.

 

[Maxman1]

On top of "unceded" lands, the popular one now is "on traditional territory".

Especially when it's at places like the Rogers Centre, which is on top of a man-made landfill built in the 19th century.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

A quick and easy work-around ....

Federal power to sidestep Indian Act removed from major projects bill

OTTAWA - The federal government's major projects legislation was amended by opposition parties on Wednesday to withdraw the power the bill gave cabinet to sidestep the Indian Act, following weeks

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

... which may not do much in practice because from what little I know, the Act covers things that must/can be done or not done on reserve land, and I can't forsee too, too many pipeline projects or mines being within reserve properties. I also vaguely remember some reserve lands are designated for oil development, and that there's a specific bit of Indian Affairs/INAC/ISC that manages wells.

Of course that would depend on an honest government.

Given his/ their penchant for lies and misinformation since being elected, carney and this government will tend to do whatever they want. Whether passed into law or not.

 

[lenaitch]

Especially when it's at places like the Rogers Centre, which is on top of a man-made landfill built in the 19th century.

Well, 'territory' includes the water that used to be there.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Not all of Canada is covered by a treaty.

130% of BC is "Claimed territory"

 

[RangerRay]

Not all of Canada is covered by a treaty.

Unfortunately for British Columbia, Governor Seymour and his successors thought treaties were a waste of time.

 

[Brad Sallows]

130% of BC is "Claimed territory"

Hardly surprising. Claiming maximal borders is as old as the first tribes. Not one step back.

 

[daftandbarmy]

BC's always been a bit different, right?

History of Treaties in B.C.​

Treaties were promised through the Royal Proclamation of 1763.

When Europeans began to settle in the eastern part of North America, before Canada was a country, Britain recognized that those people who were already living here (First Nations people) had title to the land: the Royal Proclamation of 1763 declared that only the British Crown could take possession of lands from First Nations, and only by treaties.

In most parts of Canada, the British Crown established treaties with First Nations before Canada was formed. Canada continued this policy of making treaties before the west was opened up for settlement, but in B.C. this process was never completed. In 1991, the British Columbia Claims Task Force, which established the made-in-B.C. treaty negotiations framework, recommended the creation of a British Columbia Treaty Commission to facilitate the negotiation process.

History of Treaties in B.C.

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www2.gov.bc.ca

 

[The Bread Guy]

And so it begins?

Indigenous groups protest across Ontario against fast-track infrastructure laws

First Nations leaders say both levels of government are denying them a say in energy and mining projects that could impact their communities

www.theglobeandmail.com

Also archived here https://archive.is/gHbWP

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Unfortunately for British Columbia, Governor Seymour and his successors thought treaties were a waste of time.

There is a school of thought within the First Nation leadership that feels modern treaties are not the way to go, but maintaining the antagonistic and transactional status quo, which means they can continue to milk the system for perpetual time. Whereas Treaties come with a cash payout and then self-responsibility for revenue. My guess the consultants and lawyers who live off these bands would not want their gravy train to end either.

 

[daftandbarmy]

There is a school of thought within the First Nation leadership that feels modern treaties are not the way to go, but maintaining the antagonistic and transactional status quo, which means they can continue to milk the system for perpetual time. Whereas Treaties come with a cash payout and then self-responsibility for revenue. My guess the consultants and lawyers who live off these bands would not want their gravy train to end either.

And even some Nations with a big, fat, juicy $2B payout, and a treaty, are always pushing for more...

Nisga’a launch court challenge against neighbouring Indigenous group

Conflict over territorial overlap finds its way to B.C. Supreme Court

www.terracestandard.com

 

[RangerRay]

There is a school of thought within the First Nation leadership that feels modern treaties are not the way to go, but maintaining the antagonistic and transactional status quo, which means they can continue to milk the system for perpetual time. Whereas Treaties come with a cash payout and then self-responsibility for revenue. My guess the consultants and lawyers who live off these bands would not want their gravy train to end either.

Which is exactly my point. Had Douglas’ successors not ignored the treaty issue, we would be in less of a gong show than we are now, and things would be more stable for business and industry.

 

[YZT580]

Which is exactly my point. Had Douglas’ successors not ignored the treaty issue, we would be in less of a gong show than we are now, and things would be more stable for business and industry.

First the west coast, and now Montreal. The local indigenous group are claiming half of the south shore. It looks like legal costs are going to take a big chunk out of our revive Canada budget.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Where does all the billions of dollars disappear to?

It certainly doesn't seem to find it's into housing on reserves.











It almost feels like many FN are conditioned (for lack of a better word) to live in squalor.

 

[Maxman1]

Reminder that one of Trudeau's first acts was to repeal the fiscal accountability act for first nations bands.

 

[QV]

Reminder that one of Trudeau's first acts was to repeal the fiscal accountability act for first nations bands.

This was my first thought also.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Where does all the billions of dollars disappear to?

It certainly doesn't seem to find it's into housing on reserves.

It almost feels like many FN are conditioned (for lack of a better word) to live in squalor.

I doubt many of those homes or properties are owned outright by the residents. Ownership matters. Plenty of owners let the condition of their properties deteriorate; less custodial motivation exists in renters or other non-owning occupants. Those conditions aren't unique to reserves.

 

[Quirky]

And so it begins?

Indigenous groups protest across Ontario against fast-track infrastructure laws

First Nations leaders say both levels of government are denying them a say in energy and mining projects that could impact their communities

www.theglobeandmail.com

Also archived here https://archive.is/gHbWP

Multiple Indigenous consultations need to end. Doug Ford was right, they can't keep blocking resource development and extraction then comeback with hat in hand asking for handouts. If there was a way to gamble on projects not happening in Canada, that would be about the only way we could ever make money from our resources at this rate.