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All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

The various bands are against DNA testing. Quite strongly. Googling it- there’s scores of articles on it. They won’t let it be used for membership or determining status. There’s lots of theories on why- but since it’s made to be this very loose thing of adoptions and being in the culture they have thousands of stories like this one.
 
Booter said:
The various bands are against DNA testing. Quite strongly. Googling it- there’s scores of articles on it. They won’t let it be used for membership or determining status. There’s lots of theories on why- but since it’s made to be this very loose thing of adoptions and being in the culture they have thousands of stories like this one.
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So what you're saying is 'Indian Status' (and all the free stuff that designation entails) is a 'fluid' thing?

Wow, I had no idea :)
 
daftandbarmy said:
So what you're saying is 'Indian Status' (and all the free stuff that designation entails) is a 'fluid' thing?

Wow, I had no idea :)
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I think the way it’s phrased is it’s up to the “Nation”. And it can be quite…fluid
 
I know a person who is Status Indian without being even 1% native. Their Grandmother married a Native man and she already had kids before the marriage. He adopted the kids and they then gained Native status, which in turn was passed on to their kids. If they don't make a kid with someone who is Status Indian though their kids won't have status.
 
New to this thread, so correct me if this has been discussed before.

Why not make all 3 territories into provinces? This would add additional ridings as well to beef up indigenous federal representation in the HoC no?
 
LoboCanada said:
New to this thread, so correct me if this has been discussed before.

Why not make all 3 territories into provinces? This would add additional ridings as well to beef up indigenous federal representation in the HoC no?
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Ridings are based on population, not provinces. (with some legacy aberrations)
 
Eaglelord17 said:
I know a person who is Status Indian without being even 1% native. Their Grandmother married a Native man and she already had kids before the marriage. He adopted the kids and they then gained Native status, which in turn was passed on to their kids. If they don't make a kid with someone who is Status Indian though their kids won't have status.
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Which reminds me of...

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Interesting take on the half-staff flags from an interesting group ...
Ray Deer answered the phone on a late October day and heard the news that Bo Curotte, a Vietnam War veteran, had succumbed to cancer. Deer is president of the Royal Canadian Legion Branch 219 in Kahnawake Mohawk territory, and such phone calls are an ever more regular occurrence.

(...)

... understanding that a tribute needs to be paid to each departed veteran is one of the reasons Deer and the Kahnawake elders resolved that after keeping the flags at half-mast for a 30-day mourning period in the wake of the discovery of 215 unmarked graves at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School in British Columbia, it was time to raise them back up again.

“We didn’t want to have the flags lowered forever,” Deer said. “Quebec and Canada have never told us, as Mohawks, what to do, and so we put the flag back up when we felt it was the right time.”

(...)

Together with poppies, two minutes of silence, the laying of wreaths and the playing of the Last Post, lowering the national flag to half-mast at sunrise and keeping it there until sunset is an integral part of remembering.

“The rituals are crucial,” retired Gen. Rick Hillier said. “They are part of how we learn, and how we remember.”

But if the flag’s already at half-mast, the ritual can’t be performed, which would be unforgivable, Hillier said. Such was the former chief of the defence staff and Afghanistan veteran’s dismay that he pulled his car over to the side of the road while en route from the capital region to Montebello, Que., to say his soldier’s piece about what is shaping up to be a Remembrance Day fight over the flag.

“You can’t lower the flag on Nov. 11 unless you raise it,” he said. “We are past our best-sell-by date on this, and it is time to put the flags back to full-mast.” ...
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With Pope Francis visit and forthcoming apology, we can finally close this dark chapter of the Canadian residential school system and "reconciliation" with the FN.
 
Quirky said:
With Pope Francis visit and forthcoming apology ...
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For the record, apology given April, so now it's being "re-news'ed" here
www.vaticannews.va

Pope Francis apologizes to Canada's Indigenous Peoples - Vatican News

The Pope on Friday meets with Canadian Indigenous delegations, expressing his profound sorrow and asking for pardon for the suffering inflicted by ...
www.vaticannews.va www.vaticannews.va
Heck, even the Canadian Bishops, who have said in the past that they couldn't really apologize themselves*, liked it

Canada’s Catholic Bishops Welcome Pope Francis’ Apology to Indigenous Peoples - Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops

April 1, 2022 – Today marks the conclusion of the Indigenous delegation to the Holy See, culminating with an historic apology from Pope Francis for the Catholic Church’s role in Canada’s residential school system. The Holy Father expressed “sorrow and shame” for the abuse and lack of respect...
www.cccb.ca www.cccb.ca
Quirky said:
... we can finally close this dark chapter of the Canadian residential school system and "reconciliation" with the FN.
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One hopes, but we'll see.

* - Linking to the text originally posted to the site, given the link now brings you to the newest version of the organization's postion
 
The Bread Guy said:
For the record, apology given April, so now it's being "re-news'ed" here
www.vaticannews.va

Pope Francis apologizes to Canada's Indigenous Peoples - Vatican News

The Pope on Friday meets with Canadian Indigenous delegations, expressing his profound sorrow and asking for pardon for the suffering inflicted by ...
www.vaticannews.va www.vaticannews.va
Heck, even the Canadian Bishops, who have said in the past that they couldn't really apologize themselves*, liked it

Canada’s Catholic Bishops Welcome Pope Francis’ Apology to Indigenous Peoples - Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops

April 1, 2022 – Today marks the conclusion of the Indigenous delegation to the Holy See, culminating with an historic apology from Pope Francis for the Catholic Church’s role in Canada’s residential school system. The Holy Father expressed “sorrow and shame” for the abuse and lack of respect...
www.cccb.ca www.cccb.ca

One hopes, but we'll see.

* - Linking to the text originally posted to the site, given the link now brings you to the newest version of the organization's postion
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Well, apart from the formal apology, it seems that one of the key issues is that the Pope's is the only church that hasn't coughed up any cash yet. I haven't heard anything about money yet in the recent coverage:


Residential school compensation must be paid before any papal visit, say survivors, advocates​

Say​

Public costs of previous papal visits have ranged from $50 million to $100 million​


Jason Warick · CBC News · Posted: Nov 05, 2021 2:00 AM CT | Last Updated: November 5, 2021


Demands for Catholic Church to pay residential school settlement before any papal visit​


Residential school survivors and advocates say they want the Catholic Church to pay the remaining amount of how much it owes to survivors under a 2005 settlement deal. It’s estimated at about $60 million, which is also how much a possible visit by the Pope could cost Canada.

The potential $50 million to $100 million cost of a Canadian papal visit isn't far off the amount the Catholic Church still owes residential school survivors, say advocates.

They say that bill — estimated at slightly more than $60 million — must be paid and all documents about the schools disclosed before one dollar is committed to bringing Pope Francis to Canada for an expected apology. One Vatican expert says that's highly unlikely, but survivors say they'll keep pressing.

"That money should go to survivors first. The Vatican is rich. They owe us for what they did," Cote First Nation survivor Madeleine Whitehawk said.
"They have not been honourable. Saying sorry is not enough."

 
daftandbarmy said:
... the Pope's is the only church that hasn't coughed up any cash yet ...
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To be fair, Team Papist did throw some cash into the plate. They were supposed to raise $25M to help support survivors, but, well, uh, here's what they managed to scrape together....
... Canada's 12 million Catholics donated less than $4 million of the promised $25 million — roughly 30 cents per person ...
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... and let's not forget the "in kind" help Team Papist DID provided, too (highlights mine)...
... CBC News has obtained the log detailing the in-kind claims for dozens of Canadian Catholic entities party to the landmark 2005 Indian Residential School Settlement Agreement (IRSSA). Survivors and advocates interviewed say they're shocked, as many of the listed services are nothing more than attempts to evangelize and convert Indigenous people. The list includes bible-study programs, placement of priests and nuns in remote northern communities, services under the frequently used label of "religiosity" and religious-document translation ...
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The Bread Guy said:
To be fair, Team Papist did throw some cash into the plate. They were supposed to raise $25M to help support survivors, but, well, uh, here's what they managed to scrape together....

... and let's not forget the "in kind" help Team Papist DID provided, too (highlights mine)...
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Wow.

There really is a moral disconnect between the average everyday person, and a large organization that can afford expensive lawyers.

It’s always hard for me to wrap my head around an organization spending it’s money on legal fees, so it doesn’t have to do the right thing…

it’s like they are completely blind to how that comes across to people outside their little circle of decision makers.
 
Quirky said:
With Pope Francis visit and forthcoming apology, we can finally close this dark chapter of the Canadian residential school system and "reconciliation" with the FN.
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I'm not an expert on the RC Church, but I was under the impression that the Pope was incapable of apologizing because he was considered to be infallible? Won't this apology compromise his position?
 
Kilted said:
I'm not an expert on the RC Church, but I was under the impression that the Pope was incapable of apologizing because he was considered to be infallible? Won't this apology compromise his position?
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Happened in Ireland in 2018 and (from a different, more conservative Pope) in 2010, and one out to the Pacific nations (from yet another Pope) in 2001, so if infallibility is the issue, Team Vatican seems to be able to be ... selective in what's a "must do" versus a "could do." Then again, this wouldn't be the only big organization of any kind in the world that does that - same with this ...
CBH99 said:
... It’s always hard for me to wrap my head around an organization spending it’s money on legal fees, so it doesn’t have to do the right thing…
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In the words of the DM and the Minister in "Yes Minister"
... DM: ... you might create a dangerous precedent.

Minister: You mean that if we do the right thing this time, we might have to do the right thing again next time ...
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Not sure that apologies for misdeeds of others falls under the doctrine of "papal infallibility".
 
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