Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

Ummmm no. The government couldn't run a birthday party for five year olds. If this was run by government, the cost would balloon 10 times andf the service decrease to a crawl.

Agreed. While corporations and their greed is well documented, so is the failures of government provided services.

I think as a society, we put up with government inefficiencies for essential services as a necessary evil, but I wouldn't lump air travel in as a essential service.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Fair points.

I have to admit though, I'm not following the last part, re victim blaming


Mind clarifying what you mean, so my reply actually makes sense?

Just saying the US blaming Canada for everything is like a abuser saying she deserved to be hit.

 

[Rifleman62]

"Appearance of conflict of interference."

Mulcair: Government "created an unbelievable mess" with Air Canada return to work order​

 

[The Bread Guy]

This in a bit ago - highlights mine ...

Canada Industrial Relations Board declares Air Canada flight attendant strike illegal

MONTREAL - Air Canada says the Canada Industrial Relations Board has declared the strike by the company’s 10,000 flight attendants illegal and has ordered the union's leadership to direct its

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[brihard]

This in a bit ago - highlights mine ...

Canada Industrial Relations Board declares Air Canada flight attendant strike illegal

MONTREAL - Air Canada says the Canada Industrial Relations Board has declared the strike by the company’s 10,000 flight attendants illegal and has ordered the union's leadership to direct its

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

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I think the next step is that either CIRB or the employer will have to go to court to seek to have it enforced? I’m not really sure what that looks like.

Both sides have the ability to weather a lengthy legal fight, but revenues and paychecks are both at stake. The federal government also crapped the bed on this one.

CUPE versus Mapleflot, with the latter backed by a pro-business PM could be one for the ages. Or the parties could take a breath and find a way to calm this down quickly. But I getting to that point will be hard.

 

[The Bread Guy]

And - surprise, surprise, surprise - class-action litigation team, UP!

Air Canada Strike Flight Cancellations – Class Action

Case name: Class against seeking reimbursements and compensation related to the August 2025 Air Canada strike and flight cancellations. Quebec Superior Court file #: 500-06-001409-255 What this case is about: Following pre-emptive and reactionary flight cancellations, Air Canada misled...

lpclex.com

 

[dapaterson]

Has anyone found a copy of the CIRB directive? My GoogleFu has failed me.

 

[HavokFour]

Has anyone found a copy of the CIRB directive? My GoogleFu has failed me.

Been searching for it myself. Doesn't appear to be readable publicly anywhere yet, because their own site hasn't even published it (nothing new since the 14th).

Decisions - Canada Industrial Relations Board

decisia.lexum.com

 

[QV]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/fleeing-us-to-canada-no-easy-road-1.7610034

Is this to deflect from all the capital and skilled professions moving south this last decade?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Has anyone found a copy of the CIRB directive? My GoogleFu has failed me.

As of an hour ago (1400e) only had decisions to the 14th.

Late add: From the employer’s info-machine statement: https://www.aircanada.com/media/download/b2ac9e27-0ce6-425c-ac05-75b063789071/cirbaug18order.pdf - also attached in case link doesn't work.

 

[CountDC]

We had a family friend over a few nights back who’s a pretty senior AC flight attendant and spoke pretty candidly. There’s a major pay and benefits gulf between junior and senior. The senior FAs are largely in solidarity with the juniors on this. Looks like the pilots are backing them too.

https://www.aircanada.com/media/air-canada-and-air-canada-rouge-flight-attendant-negotiations/

Current terms. Seems that a junior first year gets a low pay that then can go up by 150% in 10 years. In 2015 when the contract started the new member rate was $25.13 and in 2025 that FA in the same position would be making $63.07.

other interesting points that seem to point to them getting paid something for at least some of the time that the union claims they are not.

• Every month, cabin crew at Air Canada are guaranteed a minimum pay ranging between 65 and 80 credit hours whether they work these hours or not
• With respect to time spent onboarding and similar tasks performed on the ground, these are captured within the Formula pay defined by the collective agreement, which covers the Duty Period (Commencing one hour prior to flight departure / ending 15 minutes after flight arrival). If the employee is requested to be on duty outside of these times or to perform service to passengers on the ground, the collective agreement provides for additional compensation.

I am thinking as normal there is a lot of misdirection happening on both sides.

personally I think the government was too quick to step in on this one but I also think the FAs gave them the perfect excuse to do so by not agreeing to complete a number of return flights for the passengers that were too stupid to book with another airline when things started to go sideways. I mean how smart are you to see "FAs could be on strike in 2 weeks" and still say I am flying AC with the hope everything will be resolved before my return flight.

 

[mariomike]

Our daughter is an AC Mainline Flight Attendant on their Germany, Austria and Switzerland destinations.

Whatever the final Collective Agreement is, she has no plans of of changing employers.

 

[CBH99]

I think the next step is that either CIRB or the employer will have to go to court to seek to have it enforced? I’m not really sure what that looks like.

Both sides have the ability to weather a lengthy legal fight, but revenues and paychecks are both at stake. The federal government also crapped the bed on this one.

CUPE versus Mapleflot, with the latter backed by a pro-business PM could be one for the ages. Or the parties could take a breath and find a way to calm this down quickly. But I getting to that point will be hard.

In the end though, how would a court realistically enforce such an order?

Whatever that looks like, it will be extremely messy & create a thousand more problems for the airline to deal with in or out of court (and quite possibly create problems for the court also)



(I haven't been following this too closely at all, so my 2 cents here much at all!)

 

[CBH99]

Our daughter is an AC Mainline Flight Attendant on their Germany, Austria and Switzerland destinations.

Whatever the final Collective Agreement is, she has no plans of of changing employers.

Honestly that sounds like an amazing life & adventure

Good on her, I'm genuinely happy for her

 

[mariomike]

Honestly that sounds like an amazing life & adventure

Good on her, I'm genuinely happy for her

Thank-you!

She always liked Germany, so learned the language.

 

[brihard]

Our daughter is an AC Mainline Flight Attendant on their Germany, Austria and Switzerland destinations.

Whatever the final Collective Agreement is, she has no plans of of changing employers.

How many years has she got with them? Seniority seems to make a very significant difference in terms of preferential routes and schedules, as well as pay.

 

[mariomike]

Seniority seems to make a very significant difference in terms of preferential routes and schedules, as well as pay.

Right.

Not enough for Germany. So, she learned the language.

Obviously, they need someone in the cabin crew who can speak German.

 

[Jarnhamar]

"Appearance of conflict of interference."

Mulcair: Government "created an unbelievable mess" with Air Canada return to work order​

From the government that brought us the totally non-biased David Johnston.

 

[dapaterson]

Air Canada's president assumed that the government would enforce section 107, and force the flight attendants back to work, and so made no contingency plans.

If that doesn't scream bad faith negotiator, what would?

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightattendants/comments/1mtv7dg/what_a_terrible_leader

 

[brihard]

Air Canada's president assumed that the government would enforce section 107, and force the flight attendants back to work, and so made no contingency plans.

If that doesn't scream bad faith negotiator, what would?

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightattendants/comments/1mtv7dg/what_a_terrible_leader

That’s a paddlin’.