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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

Interesting position on this one ...
Aaaaaaaand about - TURN!

Both versions archived here (Canada absent version) and here (Canada joins version) :)
 
Canadian columnist in Time magazine, January of this year ....
... versus same columnist now
 
Factor in what will the new (or old on repeat?) NDP look like? They have a chance to steal back Ontario Left votes.
NDP is broke. And leaderless, but more importantly, broke. They didn't reach 10 percent of voters in the majority of ridings and thus will not be getting a refund on campaign expenses. The NDP, normally broke after an election, are in survival mode now. They might not be solvent by the end of this parliament, never mind anytime soon.

Best thing for conservative voters to do now if they want an election? Donate to the NDP so they can clear their massive debt load.
And the over 65+ crowd, which was the only cohort nationally by numbers that majority of them voted (or were duped?) into Carney, are getting older and to say it politely, thinning out.
Under 30 went hard for LPC. All this, the youth will bring the CPC to victory is nonsense. They CPC got trounced with the youth vote.
Carney does not have the personal charm Trudeau had (and even that wore thin after a decade), he does not do well (or appear confident) at his press conferences and that is going to wear thin on Canadian swing voters, combined with Pierre hammering him (BTW, don't be delusional, unless something drastic happens, Pierre getting through his CPC leadership review).

My thoughts on this can be summed up the Liberal Carney Catle was built on loose sand and the foundation will erode quickly.

Cue the Poilievre haters/Liberal defenders....
Carney doesn't need to be good. He has never needed to be good. He just needed to be better than PP, which he has continued to achieve.
 
Carney doesn't need to be good. He has never needed to be good. He just needed to be better than PP, which he has continued to achieve.

That paraphrases one of Rafe Mair’s axioms of politics: in politics, you don’t have to be a 9 or a 10. If your opponent is a 3, you just have to be a 4 or a 5.

As for the NDP, I won’t count them out yet. Carney will piss off a bunch of the lefties that voted for him when they figure out he’s a banker and a capitalist. It might take a while with their leadership and financial issues though.
 
As for the NDP, I won’t count them out yet. Carney will piss off a bunch of the lefties that voted for him when they figure out he’s a banker and a capitalist. It might take a while with their leadership and financial issues though.
Possible, but they'd need both a good leader AND a ton o' dough.
 
NDP is broke. And leaderless, but more importantly, broke. They didn't reach 10 percent of voters in the majority of ridings and thus will not be getting a refund on campaign expenses. The NDP, normally broke after an election, are in survival mode now. They might not be solvent by the end of this parliament, never mind anytime soon.

Best thing for conservative voters to do now if they want an election? Donate to the NDP so they can clear their massive debt load.

Under 30 went hard for LPC. All this, the youth will bring the CPC to victory is nonsense. They CPC got trounced with the youth vote.

Carney doesn't need to be good. He has never needed to be good. He just needed to be better than PP, which he has continued to achieve.
Is the bar set a bit too low for him?
 
Carney doesn't need to be good. He has never needed to be good.
I suspect you failed to properly estimate the situation, my opinion. Time will tell, especially if we end in another election real soon and it doesn't go the way Carney hopes for.

Reminder it was 43% vote share for LPC and 41% vote share for the CPC, with the Mainstream media carrying Carney big time (gotta protect your funding/subsidies). Thats a hair difference.

As for the NDP, I won’t count them out yet. Carney will piss off a bunch of the lefties that voted for him when they figure out he’s a banker and a capitalist. It might take a while with their leadership and financial issues though.
Yup, very much agreed. The marxist minded are not going to be happy with Carney for long, if they are at all.

Is the bar set a bit too low for him?
Yup, the bar is at floor level for Carney when looking at CBC, CTV, Global, etc. I give credit to Toronto Sun for being an MSM outlet that hammers down on Carney. Take note Warren Kinsella (very Liberal, but no Trudeau fan) is already starting to sharply criticize Carney. I respect how Kinsella calls things out, he damn near predicted the Liberal leadership race and the election, months before it happened. He was Chretien's war room manager.
 

Nice work! Where suppose that money is going?
Red Wave Dancing GIF by PBS News
 

Nice work! Where suppose that money is going?
lol, I question the ‘knowledge’ of all these ‘experts’.
The Toronto Stock Exchange is outperforming ALL of the major US indexes - NYSE, NASDAQ and S&P 500.
So they have ALL lost significant money by not keeping their investments in Canada or not moving their money into Canada.
 
That paraphrases one of Rafe Mair’s axioms of politics: in politics, you don’t have to be a 9 or a 10. If your opponent is a 3, you just have to be a 4 or a 5.

As for the NDP, I won’t count them out yet. Carney will piss off a bunch of the lefties that voted for him when they figure out he’s a banker and a capitalist. It might take a while with their leadership and financial issues though.
The NDP could be polling at 30 percent. They still wouldn't be able to afford an election
I suspect you failed to properly estimate the situation, my opinion. Time will tell, especially if we end in another election real soon and it doesn't go the way Carney hopes for.
Why would we be in an election?

I was going to say that the NDP would support this parliament until they are debt free, but with current election laws, we need to have one within 4 years.:LOL:
 
This was an excellent interview/podcast, I would ask if you follow politics, watch this, its worth it.

Pamela Wallin interviews David Colleto of Abacus polling.

I don't agree with everything David says, but I like how he views things through a very non-partisan lens.

I few key points I took away from this
-Complacency kills (he doesn't say exactly) but he does mention that for both Carney and Poilievre stand to win or lose depending on how they adjust to the political situation (political situational awareness)
-Pierre could lose big IF (take note IF) Mark Carney moves forward on files other than Donald Trump (to be honest, he better get moving on that one). If PM MC gets major energy projects moving, improves GDP, improves trade, gets homes built and sorts out crime, Pierre will be neutered and have nothing to campaign on. If he doesn't get things moving, he will feed into Pierre's narrative
-He had an excellent eye for the political situation that unfolded in this last year (I would say spot on) My opinion, Pierre had a 20-25% lead in the polls on Trudeau Liberals not the Carney brand.
-I like that he emphasizes he will not work for one political party or another

 
The NDP could be polling at 30 percent. They still wouldn't be able to afford an election
Yup, they are down in the dumps right now. I wouldn't count them out.

Why would we be in an election?
Minority government is like the weather, you don't know what is happening next. Ask Justin or Jagmeet last August if we were going to have an election I April 2025 and I am pretty sure, they would have insisted it would have been October.

Political uncertainty is like unseen bad weather. If the Bloc gets a boost in Quebec (ALWAYS a real possibility), the CPC will hold firm and yes, the NDP is down, but I think your complacent in assuming all is good for Carney. Its a razor thin margin for a tipping point to see Carney Liberals voted out.

Or another situation, what if Carney gets a bump in the polls in the next few months and decides to roll the dice, seeking a majority?

Minority government is like the weather, you don't know what is happening next.
 
Yup, they are down in the dumps right now. I wouldn't count them out.
I'm keeping an eye on whether they sell their building in downtown Ottawa. I know they leverage it to borrow money to run campaigns, on the assumption that they will get their campaign funds reimbursed. But seeing as they are not getting reimbursed for the majority of their spending last election, do they sell it for a quick influx of cash just to keep the lights on in the "party".
Minority government is like the weather, you don't know what is happening next. Ask Justin or Jagmeet last August if we were going to have an election I April 2025 and I am pretty sure, they would have insisted it would have been October.
Certainly true. By that same token however, if someone had told the CPC in 2021 that the next election would be in April 2025, they wouldn't have believed you. Minority governments may not be the most stable thing ever, but in the right circumstances they can last quite a while.
Political uncertainty is like unseen bad weather. If the Bloc gets a boost in Quebec (ALWAYS a real possibility), the CPC will hold firm and yes, the NDP is down, but I think your complacent in assuming all is good for Carney. Its a razor thin margin for a tipping point to see Carney Liberals voted out.
Could they be voted out? Absolutely. If I were the NDP holding the balance of power and with the financial Armageddon facing them...why?

It would take all three opposition parties to gang together to down the LPC.

CPC, always flush with cash and generally cantankerous, sure, a given.

Bloc, not as flush with cash, but they need to run in 78 ridings only and I've not heard anything about them being hard on for money.

NDP...dead broke. Not recovered in the polls. Leaderless. Don't even have party status.

Do they even run in 343 ridings next election? Do they just focus on ridings they think they can win? Are they a true federal party if they only run in 25-75 ridings? Can they afford to have another result like the last one they just had? Will either the LPC or CPC win a majority stripping them of any semblance of leverage as a party?

It's fun, I guess, to imaging Carney forced into another election right away, but I really, truly, don't see the NDP rushing into political and financial suicide as a party. Unless that changes, Carney can pretty much coasts for the next 2 years, probably 3.
Or another situation, what if Carney gets a bump in the polls in the next few months and decides to roll the dice, seeking a majority?
I really don't see Carney as some high stakes gambler. Man is 3 seats away from a majority, why risk it all? Not impossible, but also not likely.
Minority government is like the weather, you don't know what is happening next.
Absolutely. Could last 6 more months. Could last 4 years.
 
That paraphrases one of Rafe Mair’s axioms of politics: in politics, you don’t have to be a 9 or a 10. If your opponent is a 3, you just have to be a 4 or a 5.

As for the NDP, I won’t count them out yet. Carney will piss off a bunch of the lefties that voted for him when they figure out he’s a banker and a capitalist. It might take a while with their leadership and financial issues though.
The same thought process goes into those usual NDP voters who voted for PP in the last election and very well may switch back over to the NDP if their next leader is charismatic and says the right things.
 
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