Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Underway]

I gather the SK boats would be the faster build for us- if we went with them, how quickly could we reasonably have a first boat in the water with some operational capability?

And a related question only now occurs to me- when bringing in an entirely new class of vessel how does the training of the initial crew work?

Hanwha Ocean is stating we would have four boats by 2035, TKMS is saying first delivery 2035 (but also stating they could build faster if asked). IOC is supposed to be '37 according to the plan. The RCN is quite happy to work towards an accelerated timeline, the sooner the better.

 

[Czech_pivo]

With the Vics we were cycling crews into the UK for training for 8 months, if my recollection is correct. At the the end they would sail their new to them/us sub home.

I would assume something similar this time...

As always I stand to be corrected.

I would imagine that the training tempo and security aspects between training in the waters off SK would be a night and day scenario vs training in the Kiel Fjord and the quiet sheltered waters south of Copenhagen. I would think that training in the SK area would be highly beneficial to us.

 

[MacNav63]

Likely driven by impending Fed legislation at some point.

I suspect you would also need to factor in the farm lobby. The West Wing dedicated a whole episode to presidential candidates going to Iowa to take the ethanol pledge.

 

[Kilted]

With all this money coming, are we going to be able to finally upgrade our computers to Windows 11?

 

[PuckChaser]

With all this money coming, are we going to be able to finally upgrade our computers to Windows 11?

If yours isn't, try not skipping the upgrade prompt. It was supposed to be forced months ago.

 

[PrairieFella]

Don't give them too much credit until they show they can cut crafty deals.

Kinew is one of the most gifted politicians in Canada and has a strong uniter vibe to him. He'll get it done.

Hell, his party narrowly lost a byelection in Spruce Meadows by less than a hundred votes. That is insane in MB politics. Spruce Meadows is basically of Conservative as it gets in MB and includes small and medium sized rural towns, tons of farms, parts of Brandon and CFB Shilo. That the Prov NDP almost swung this shows the broad consensus that Kinew has managed to pull together.

(A weak Obby Khan as MB PC leader doesnt hurt the NDP either though).

 

[The Bread Guy]

This from CAN's ambassador to POL via CBC.ca re: one of the issues to wrestle with for CAN to get to POL's defence spending levels ....

... "Poland's point of departure is already very, very different from ours," said Catherine Godin, Canada's ambassador to Poland, who was asked during Carney's visit about the eastern European country's rearmament efforts. Poland — because it borders the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad — has made a conscious political choice when it comes to spending priorities, she said. Poland also shares a long border with Belarus, a close ally of Russia. "Health and education come second to security and defence, something that we cannot fathom in our country. It would be a very different conversation. So to learn from them, certainly they put this at the top of their priority. We would need to have a Canadian consensus to be able to do it in the same way." And there's the rub. While the public has generally been in favour of increased defence spending, the trade-offs have not been made clear ...

Also helps that in POL, a lot of defence production is state-owned-and-run - more in the linked article.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

So, its official: the Canadian Coast Guard is now part of DND. From Noah:

Canadian Coast Guard officially joins the Defence Team.

So remember yesterday how I said we would have CCG news this week?

noahscornerofrandomstuff.substack.com

 

[PPCLI Guy]

OIC signed on the weekend.

If we thought our capacity to exercise C2 of forces was stretched before....

 

[brihard]

What will this actually mean? What’s the ‘so what’ in real national defence terms?

 

[The Bread Guy]

What will this actually mean? What’s the ‘so what’ in real national defence terms?

One WAG

 

[Underway]

What will this actually mean? What’s the ‘so what’ in real national defence terms?

Its in the linked article what that means, both for the overarching Maritime Picture and in some cases infrastructure accessable by the RCN.

 

[daftandbarmy]

What will this actually mean? What’s the ‘so what’ in real national defence terms?

Yet more unarmed ships, like AOPS, that will eventually need protection from the others

 

[brihard]

Its in the linked article what that means, both for the overarching Maritime Picture and in some cases infrastructure accessable by the RCN.

Yeah, I’m just hoping for a more expert view from those with better knowledge. Noah has some solid understanding of a surprising amount of stuff, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to take his analysis to the bank on a fundamental restructuring like this.

 

[Underway]

Yeah, I’m just hoping for a more expert view from those with better knowledge. Noah has some solid understanding of a surprising amount of stuff, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to take his analysis to the bank on a fundamental restructuring like this.

Its basically what he said and whats in the interview with the CRNC.

Adding the CCG to the network of sensors available to be linked into the Recognized Maritime Picture compilation is a good thing. This means they'll be watching for and reporting on what they see. It opens up CCG jetty infrastructure to be accessed by RCN assets. Adding new radars and comms to CCG vessels also means that their jetty security infrastructure needs to be beefed up, and as such RCN ships will be able to use those jetties on a regular basis.

 

[brihard]

Its basically what he said and whats in the interview with the CRNC.

Adding the CCG to the network of sensors available to be linked into the Recognized Maritime Picture compilation is a good thing. This means they'll be watching for and reporting on what they see. It opens up CCG jetty infrastructure to be accessed by RCN assets. Adding new radars and comms to CCG vessels also means that their jetty security infrastructure needs to be beefed up, and as such RCN ships will be able to use those jetties on a regular basis.

Thanks for that!

 

[DBNSG]

Its basically what he said and whats in the interview with the CRNC.

Adding the CCG to the network of sensors available to be linked into the Recognized Maritime Picture compilation is a good thing. This means they'll be watching for and reporting on what they see. It opens up CCG jetty infrastructure to be accessed by RCN assets. Adding new radars and comms to CCG vessels also means that their jetty security infrastructure needs to be beefed up, and as such RCN ships will be able to use those jetties on a regular basis.

So the genesis of a true Quebec Navy below the Citadel ?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

What will this actually mean? What’s the ‘so what’ in real national defence terms?

The cost of running the Coast Guard can be wrapped into our 2-5% NATO contribution?
Creative book keeping by the banker?

 

[brihard]

The cost of running the Coast Guard can be wrapped into our 2-5% NATO contribution?
Creative book keeping by the banker?

I gather a lot of other countries include their coast guards in defence spending. Presumably ours would need at least some increases in defence related capabilities to count, but that seems to be part of the plan. I’d need a good apples to apples comparison to gauge the validity of such a mode as it relates to NATO-reckoned defence-as-GDP-percentage math.

I’m not sure if CSE is included in defence spending g for NATO purposes but I’d be surprised if they aren’t. That being the case, there’s existing precedent for non-military defence contributions.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I’m not sure if CSE is included in defence spending g for NATO purposes but I’d be surprised if they aren’t. That being the case, there’s existing precedent for non-military defence contributions.

I’d love to hear from those closer to the spreadsheets on that too. My intuitive guess is yes because they report to the defence minister, but happy to be corrected.