Army Reserve Restructuring

[Kirkhill]

But Scottish isn't a religion, Sikhism is. How do you have a religious regiment in a country that is supposed to be secular? How do you have a religious regiment that doesn't expect or only allow its members to be practitioners of that religion? Why are we targeting 1 million Canadian Sikhs with a bespoke religious regiment when there are 19 million Canadian Christians, or 1.8 million Canadian Muslims.

@Eaglelord17 has it right in my view. Canada is not a land without god. There are Canadians that aspire to that country, predominantly on the left and in Qubec. But Canada was founded as a land that believed in god and tolerated all believers regardless of what they called god, or what they thought god looked like or even how many versions coexisted. A belief in a higher power, a great architect, is baked into Canada's identity.

People were not punished for going to church, or reading the wrong book, or for the words of their preachers. They were punished for criminal deeds.

 

[MilEME09]

Grey Cup weekend or Halloween weekend?

Then you get the 3 privates and 1 corporal and 5 2Lt's

 

[FJAG]

It does zero in terms of facilitating reactivation of units. A unit, whether stood up from scratch or moved from the S O B, would follow the same steps.

If anything, a new unit would be easier, as there are no historical / hysterical landmines from the past (including but not limited to patrons).

That's a point of view thing.

Back when I was a subbie in 2 RCHA in the dark ages, one of my extra regimental duties was to sort out the 4 RCHA regimental silver (and stuff) which had become comingled in the 2 RCHA messes and send them off to the RCA Museum for storage in the event of reactivation. A similar thing would have happened when 3 RCHA was put on the SOB when 1 RCHA was repatriated to Shilo. There's talk that it may need dusting off.

For infantry regiments there's a lot more including laid up colours. Then there's order of precedence is resumed etc.

There's a whole back story of a unit that is quickly taken back up when a unit is brought back off the SOB which a newly created unit doesn't have. I know that doesn't matter to some folks. It does matter to others.

Interestingly the Airborne Regiment was not put on the SOB.

 

[MilEME09]

That's a point of view thing.

Back when I was a subbie in 2 RCHA in the dark ages, one of my extra regimental duties was to sort out the 4 RCHA regimental silver (and stuff) which had become comingled in the 2 RCHA messes and send them off to the RCA Museum for storage in the event of reactivation. A similar thing would have happened when 3 RCHA was put on the SOB when 1 RCHA was repatriated to Shilo. There's talk that it may need dusting off.

For infantry regiments there's a lot more including laid up colours. Then there's order of precedence is resumed etc.

There's a whole back story of a unit that is quickly taken back up when a unit is brought back off the SOB which a newly created unit doesn't have. I know that doesn't matter to some folks. It does matter to others.

Interestingly the Airborne Regiment was not put on the SOB.

3 is definitely getting dusted off, I wonder who the armoured regiment in shilo will be, Fort Gary Horse? The light battalions are also pulled away from the Regiments and formed into one in the modernization plan, return of the Canadian Guards Regiment?

 

[Kirkhill]

3 is definitely getting dusted off, I wonder who the armoured regiment in shilo will be, Fort Gary Horse? The light battalions are also pulled away from the Regiments and formed into one in the modernization plan, return of the Canadian Guards Regiment?

How about the Canadian Voltigeurs?

Parks Canada - Battle of the Châteauguay National Historic Site of Canada

www.pc.gc.ca

Charles de Salaberry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A monarchist pur laine Quebecer who fought for the British and defeated the Americans.

 

[FJAG]

3 is definitely getting dusted off, I wonder who the armoured regiment in shilo will be, Fort Gary Horse? The light battalions are also pulled away from the Regiments and formed into one in the modernization plan, return of the Canadian Guards Regiment?

Yeah the two RegF units that went were the 8CH and FGH. Both of those continue as ARes units. Of the two, the FGH RegF were shut down in 1970 while the 8 CH continued on until (I could be wrong on the dates here) around 1992 when 4 CMBG came back from Germany and the RCD took the 8Ch's place as the armoured regiment in Petawawa. Of the two, 8CH is the senior regiment. All that said, who really knows what evil lurks in the minds of black hatters.

 

[daftandbarmy]

3 is definitely getting dusted off, I wonder who the armoured regiment in shilo will be, Fort Gary Horse? The light battalions are also pulled away from the Regiments and formed into one in the modernization plan, return of the Canadian Guards Regiment?

The Guards? Too 'anglo-colonial', mate.

And they kill bears and wear them on their heads like trophies!!!!

 

[MilEME09]

Yeah the two RegF units that went were the 8CH and FGH. Both of those continue as ARes units. Of the two, the FGH RegF were shut down in 1970 while the 8 CH continued on until (I could be wrong on the dates here) around 1992 when 4 CMBG came back from Germany and the RCD took the 8Ch's place as the armoured regiment in Petawawa. Of the two, 8CH is the senior regiment. All that said, who really knows what evil lurks in the minds of black hatters.

I think I'd just be excited for the stand up parade, first time we have ever reactivated a regular force component of a unit

 

[dapaterson]

I think I'd just be excited for the stand up parade, first time we have ever reactivated a regular force component of a unit

Bring back the Black Watch

 

[Kirkhill]

The Guards? Too 'anglo-colonial', mate.

And they kill bears and wear them on their heads like trophies!!!!

Flatfoot woodentops do not bring to mind light. In fact to some they are the definition of heavies.

 

[MilEME09]

Bring back the Black Watch

Return of the black watch to Gagetown? Thats where they stood down to become 2 RCR. The stand down parade is on YouTube. Now we just need an officer with a Scottish name to command it first, any Colonel's starting with Mc in the infantry right now?

 

[quadrapiper]

Grey Cup weekend or Halloween weekend?

Watch party in the mess, yes/no?

Flatfoot woodentops do not bring to mind light. In fact to some they are the definition of heavies.

Of all the infantry units to bring back, the Guards could be one of the cleaner ones: they're not a particularly encumbered with contentious history, amalgamations, or now-irrelevant geographical associations. But agreed re: things implicit in the name. Heavy mechanized infantry to keep our (hopefully) mass of new tanks company?

 

[Fabius]

The light battalions are also pulled away from the Regiments and formed into one in the modernization plan, return of the Canadian Guards Regiment?

I don’t believe that is factually correct. There is no discussion that I am aware of, of the light Bns being removed from the Regiments.

People may have confused Regiments and Bdes. Not helped by the CA calling the new formation the Canadian Light Infantry Regiment.

 

[markppcli]

That's a point of view thing.

Back when I was a subbie in 2 RCHA in the dark ages, one of my extra regimental duties was to sort out the 4 RCHA regimental silver (and stuff) which had become comingled in the 2 RCHA messes and send them off to the RCA Museum for storage in the event of reactivation. A similar thing would have happened when 3 RCHA was put on the SOB when 1 RCHA was repatriated to Shilo. There's talk that it may need dusting off.

For infantry regiments there's a lot more including laid up colours. Then there's order of precedence is resumed etc.

There's a whole back story of a unit that is quickly taken back up when a unit is brought back off the SOB which a newly created unit doesn't have. I know that doesn't matter to some folks. It does matter to others.

Interestingly the Airborne Regiment was not put on the SOB.

We don't have regimental messes anymore so the silver is just in a display case. I don't think anyone really notices it anymore. What I mean is that a lot of these issues with SOB are things that mattered in the 1970s but no one serving had been born yet, its a different culture.

 

[MilEME09]

I don’t believe that is factually correct. There is no discussion that I am aware of, of the light Bns being removed from the Regiments.

People may have confused Regiments and Bdes. Not helped by the CA calling the new formation the Canadian Light Infantry Regiment.

I am looking at the 1 CMBG orbat right now and it has 2 mech infantry battalions, the light infantry battalion in its orbat is the Pres CARB from the notes I am reading. So unless its changed, yes the light battalions are going to to a single regiment and are annotated as not new units but require staffing increases.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I am looking at the 1 CMBG orbat right now and it has 2 mech infantry battalions, the light infantry battalion in its orbat is the Pres CARB from the notes I am reading. So unless its changed, yes the light battalions are going to to a single regiment and are annotated as not new units but require staffing increases.

So 1 CMBG will be deploying on weekends and during the school breaks over the summer then, right?

 

[MilEME09]

So 1 CMBG will be deploying on weekends and during the school breaks over the summer then, right?

Ive seen nothing on how the CARB will integrate into the regular force for deployments, I dont even think thats even fully thought out yet

 

[Fabius]

Yes all the 3rd Battalions are leaving 1,2 and 5 CMBG.
The Light Bns are all going to a new formation, the Canadian Light Infantry Regiment. That formation is NOT a Regiment in the sense of the PPCLI, RCR or R22eR.

It’s a Bde. Its 3 units will continue to belong to their administrative families ie their Regiments. Nor are they moving from their current locations.

 

[Kirkhill]

Yes all the 3rd Battalions are leaving 1,2 and 5 CMBG.
The Light Bns are all going to a new formation, the Canadian Light Infantry Regiment. That formation is NOT a Regiment in the sense of the PPCLI, RCR or R22eR.

It’s a Bde. Its 3 units will continue to belong to their administrative families ie their Regiments. Nor are they moving from their current locations.

Badge, beret or shoulder patch, I can't see it taking too long before they take on some sort of unifying corporate identity.

 

[QV]

Badge, beret or shoulder patch, I can't see it taking too long before they take on some sort of unifying corporate identity.

Yeah, and could just call them the CAR.