Army Reserve Restructuring

[DBNSG]

Bring back the Black Watch

Aye Laddie

 

[DBNSG]

Yeah, and could just call them the CAR.

In time , in time.

 

[MilEME09]

Yeah, and could just call them the CAR.

CAR i doubt would come back, the name has been tainted, they would be better off reviving 1 Can Para from ww2 as a full regiment.

 

[Fabius]

I doubt it.
Each Bn will have close ties with their sister Regiment Bns.
Cross postings will continue within the three existing Regiments more so than between the units inside this new formation.

This new formation will develop a formation identity with the three unit regimental identities still taking precedence for the units. The same as happens in the current formations.

Time will tell.

 

[daftandbarmy]

CAR i doubt would come back, the name has been tainted, they would be better off reviving 1 Can Para from ww2 as a full regiment.

Which is what they renamed it to before they disbanded the regiment in a forlorn attempt to mollify the political cancelling machine, of course.

 

[FJAG]

Ive seen nothing on how the CARB will integrate into the regular force for deployments, I dont even think thats even fully thought out yet

Just guessing here but it sounds a bit like the Brit system in 3 UK Div where 12th and 20th Armoured Brigade Combat Teams each have a reserve light bns of the same regiment twinned with the Reg F mech inf bns (e.g. 1 Mercian and 4th Mercian (Res) / 5 The Rifles and 7 The Rifles (Res)). They train on the same tactics and on the same equipment and are meant to augment the RegF bn and be reinforcements/replacements for casualties. There are five RegF and five ResF bns in the two brigades.

 

[ArmyRick]

Perhaps start by enrolling some of those retired NCOs and Offrs that QV referenced in this new reserve, and then have them lead the new entries through the Distance Learning Package as mentors.

And the field work - either a 2 week programme or three or four long weekends.

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Distance Learning is the on-line theory stuff. You do it at home. Your allotted some class A pay for it.

 

[markppcli]

Watch party in the mess, yes/no?

Of all the infantry units to bring back, the Guards could be one of the cleaner ones: they're not a particularly encumbered with contentious history, amalgamations, or now-irrelevant geographical associations. But agreed re: things implicit in the name. Heavy mechanized infantry to keep our (hopefully) mass of new tanks company?

The Canadian Guards were always a weird concept. A direct copy paste of the British equivalent without the history. I don't know what the order of precedence is, but I'd rather see the Queen's Own stood up, that way we can have them host the Army run starting around Ridgeway.

 

[FJAG]

The Canadian Guards were always a weird concept. A direct copy paste of the British equivalent without the history. I don't know what the order of precedence is, but I'd rather see the Queen's Own stood up, that way we can have them host the Army run starting around Ridgeway.

If you want to have the Queen's Own stood up then just rebadge some of your mob back to what they were back in the '50s and '60s.

The Guards were formed because Simonds in 1953 because being an Anglophile and being given the pleasure of increasing the size of the regular army, and having the ear of the Queen, could do what he wanted and rebadged the existing 3 PPCLI and 3 RCR to 1 and 2 Cdn Guards. That left 1 and 2 RCR, 1 and 2 PPCLI and 1, 2 and 3 R22eR. Six new battalions were also formed: 1 and 2 Cdn Rifle Bn (later renamed 1 and 2 QOR), 1 and 2 Cdn Highland Bn (later renamed 1 and 2 RHR) and 1 and 2 Canadian Infantry Bn (later renamed 3 and 4 Cdn Guards) The Guards took 1st place in the order of precedence.

 

[markppcli]

If you want to have the Queen's Own stood up then just rebadge some of your mob back to what they were back in the '50s and '60s.

I don't think many of my Mob Remeber that however, its a bit odd to make that comments when 3 VP formed 2 Cdn Guards lol.

The Guards were formed because Simonds in 1953 because being an Anglophile and being given the pleasure of increasing the size of the regular army, and having the ear of the Queen, could do what he wanted and rebadged the existing 3 PPCLI and 3 RCR to 1 and 2 Cdn Guards. That left 1 and 2 RCR, 1 and 2 PPCLI and 1, 2 and 3 R22eR. Six new battalions were also formed: 1 and 2 Cdn Rifle Bn (later renamed 1 and 2 QOR), 1 and 2 Cdn Highland Bn (later renamed 1 and 2 RHR) and 1 and 2 Canadian Infantry Bn (later renamed 3 and 4 Cdn Guards) The Guards took 1st place in the order of precedence.

And they were stood down 17 years later, and placed high in precedence because of a name that had nothing to do with a task, or history. QOR were a regular Bn more recently, don't have the weird history, and are in my list of Regiments that don't have overly regional names. That's also why I'd prefer 8 CH over say FGH. In the end none of this really matters.

 

[FJAG]

don't think many of my Mob Remeber that however, its a bit odd to make that comments when 3 VP formed 2 Cdn Guards lol.

That's correct. I wasn't too clear.

After 3 PPCLI was reformed as 2 Cdn Guards in 1953 there was no 3 PPCLI until 1970.

On 26 Apr 1970, 1 QOR, then at Work Point Barracks in Victoria, was deactivated and all its remaining personnel were rebadged as the newly reactivated 3 PPCLI. (the 2nd Bn QOR had previously been deactivated on 31 Aug 1968 and its personnel reallocated to other units.) It was all part of the post unification reorganization and downsizing dance.

Hence if one wants to reform the QOR as a RegF bn then rebadge 3 PPCLI back as 1 QOR . Voila. Full circle.

While the QOR don't have a particular regional name, the original QOR, like the 48th Highlanders are intimately bound to the early history of Toronto with the former tracing its history back to 1855 and the latter to 1891.

 

[MilEME09]

That's correct. I wasn't too clear.

After 3 PPCLI was reformed as 2 Cdn Guards in 1953 there was no 3 PPCLI until 1970.

On 26 Apr 1970, 1 QOR, then at Work Point Barracks in Victoria, was deactivated and all its remaining personnel were rebadged as the newly reactivated 3 PPCLI. (the 2nd Bn QOR had previously been deactivated on 31 Aug 1968 and its personnel reallocated to other units.) It was all part of the post unification reorganization and downsizing dance.

Hence if one wants to reform the QOR as a RegF bn then rebadge 3 PPCLI back as 1 QOR . Voila. Full circle.

While the QOR don't have a particular regional name, the original QOR, like the 48th Highlanders are intimately bound to the early history of Toronto with the former tracing its history back to 1855 and the latter to 1891.

Royal Highland Regiment of Canada it is then, make Kilts reg force again

 

[WestIsle]

If you are referring to the

Voltigeurs de Québec, they do have a number of Battle Honours. Are you implying that they are merging English speaking units that are mostly from outside Quebec, with French Speaking units? ​

I would really like to see the justification for amalgating the South Saskatchewan Regiment into a Quebec regiment.

Dont have DWAN open at the moment but its Regt d Hull, Voltigeurs, and another saying they are somehow related to Victoria Rifles of Canada, Princess Louise Dragoon Guards, and Royal Rifles of Canada. The whole thing is pretty cynical considering why those regiments got shuttered and why the current ones dont have those battle honors.

 

[markppcli]

Dont have monitor mass open at the moment but its Regt d Hull, Voltigeurs, and another saying they are somehow related to Victoria Rifles of Canada, Princess Louise Dragoon Guards, and Royal Rifles of Canada. The whole thing is pretty cynical considering why those regiments got shuttered and why the current ones dont have those battle honors.

And that's on monitor mass?

 

[WestIsle]

And that's on monitor mass?

Sorry DWAN. My brains turning into government word salad

 

[markppcli]

Sorry DWAN. My brains turning into government word salad

Where on SharePoint id love to look at it

 

[Ostrozac]

Canada absolutely doesn’t need another regular infantry capbadge to be activated unless maybe if the new Light Infantry Formation/Regiment/Brigade-that-isn’t-a-Brigade decides that light Infantryman needs to be a separate MOSID from Infantryman 00010. But that’s probably not in the cards.

Besides, we probably don’t need more infantry battalions at all — 6 LAV, 3 Light, 10 CARB, all on full time service? — that’s fine. There will be a need for a tiny bit more armour, a medium amount more arty, and a hell of a lot more Sigs, Engineers and CSS. And the Sigs, Engineers and CSS expansion will be key to actually fighting as a division.

 

[ueo]

Have thought about it.

My thoughts, don't run too many of these in the summer (during PRes peak trg periods) . If the army is able and willing
-In the interim, use the DIV TRG centres. I know I hear some of my co-workers at Meaford groaning, but as one retiring sergeant said to me "I don't get a knife hand from you again" (Its one of my many students I trained back in the early 2000s). So chop, chop, lets dedicate 3-4 2 x week training cycles a year at each TC. The more staff you can throw at this that are capable, the more we can stand up. It also needs a thorough explanation that it will be similar to training Rangers and CIC officers, don't be putting them in the push up position for 20 minutes or have them mark time forever because you found carbon on the bottom of the magazine.
-I believe there is a plan to grow the P Res? As more P Res become available, slip a few of them on short term class B to get PM MC 300,000 sooner rather than later.
-Hire on 6 month contracts (to kick start) retired NCOs and WOs for small arms instruction and running of ranges, thats all they do. That would be jammy (no marching NCOs, no field, no inspections, etc).

Also, have the FORCE test be a performance incentive, pass your FORCE test each year, and recieve 2 x days class A pays compensation or something similar

How much political will, will dictate the success of this. Both from politicians and the CoC (lets not kid ourselves, army politics is a real thing, had lengthy conversations with an old engineer friend who is a corporal and a WO I trained as a troopy).

Wasn't this concept tried with the Warrior program? No money but shiney badge.

We're older than that now.

Joni Mitchell? Folkie for you young
folks.

Staffing:Students?

Course Officer + SGT or WO
ADmin NCO + 2 x storesmen (storespeople?)
1 CPL (leadership trained) to SGT per 16 students (worse case scenario), ideal 1 CPL-SGT to 10 students

C8/C7 (hell keep the old C7A2 around for these guys to use) range practices (25m/100m Grouping/ZERO practice prone, 100m Prone Grouping, 200m prone grouping, 100m Kneeling and standing, 100m/200m/300m snap shoots and timed shoots. No PWT3

Pistol, minimum level of shooting required (familiarity).

First time I threw hand grenades in the reserves (be fore I joined the regs), I got an hour on a dummy grenade, then threw 2 live grenades. Don't "Over complicate" simple training

Yep! Had the LG of Ontario from parking lot to successful toss in about 6 mins.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Joni Mitchell? Folkie for you young
folks.

Bob Dylan, but popularized by the Byrds.

 

[Kirkhill]

I'd find more useful training. Almost any adult already has the skills/experience to do some of these.

The main effort should be to train them in things they don't already know. Presuming anyone with a driver licence can already operate any mil vehicle that only requires driver wheel - maybe 2 min intro at most (this is where the weird key goes if thats even still a thing).

For those type of skills there should be challenge assessments to find out their skill levels and can they be trusted with passengers.