A Deeply Fractured US

[HavokFour]

Another US Citizen, and more proof they're just trying to fill quotas and don't have a clue who they're grabbing.

St. Paul Mayor Kaohly Her ‘livid’ after ICE wrongly targets family friend, escorts him undressed into cold​

 

[Navy_Pete]

How exactly are they breaking into people's houses without a warrant, and then not even giving someone a minute to get dressed?

Not just shit at their jobs, while breaking the law, but a bunch of heartless pricks.

Waiting for someone to invoke some kind of castle defence on a warrantless home invasion.

 

[Altair]

So polling in the USA shows people don't agree with the Renee Good shooting, 50 percent opposed compared to 35 percent for, but independents also not liking it.

So Trump has tried to clearly soften his tone on the Renee good shooting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013696950013415647

 

[FSTO]

How exactly are they breaking into people's houses without a warrant, and then not even giving someone a minute to get dressed?

Not just shit at their jobs, while breaking the law, but a bunch of heartless pricks.

Waiting for someone to invoke some kind of castle defence on a warrantless home invasion.

It’s only a matter of time before ICE hits the wrong house and dude opens up on them.
That would be horrible for everyone since that will give Trump the pretext to send in Federal Troops.

 

[ModlrMike]

It’s only a matter of time before ICE hits the wrong house and dude opens up on them.
That would be horrible for everyone since that will give Trump the pretext to send in Federal Troops.

Which is entirely the intent.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It’s only a matter of time before ICE hits the wrong house and dude opens up on them.
That would be horrible for everyone since that will give Trump the pretext to send in Federal Troops.

The shot heard 'round the world ?

I feel like that powder keg is just looking for a spark right now...

 

[FSTO]

The shot heard 'round the world ?

I feel like that powder keg is just looking for a spark right now...

There is a quiet rage building up in Minnesota. When this type of guy decides to go and confront ICE then something has changed.

 

[RangerRay]

Exactly the kind of government overreach that Republicans and conservatives have been warning about. Except it’s not affecting them personally.

 

[suffolkowner]

It’s only a matter of time before ICE hits the wrong house and dude opens up on them.
That would be horrible for everyone since that will give Trump the pretext to send in Federal Troops.

i remain utterly shocked that it hasnt. Unless i missed it? Maybe too urban and liberal an area? I know for a fact if someone tried some sort of barely knocking, no warrant , barely id'd on a couple of my neighbours that i wouldnt have to feed the pigs for a week

 

[Brad Sallows]

There is a quiet rage building up in Minnesota. When this type of guy decides to go and confront ICE then something has changed.

An obvious question: why isn't this happening to the same degree in any of the other 49 states?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

An obvious question: why isn't this happening to the same degree in any of the other 49 states?

Because they haven't been invaded (yet) by poorly trained federal officials who act like jack-booted thugs?

 

[brihard]

i remain utterly shocked that it hasnt. Unless i missed it? Maybe too urban and liberal an area? I know for a fact if someone tried some sort of barely knocking, no warrant , barely id'd on a couple of my neighbours that i wouldnt have to feed the pigs for a week

I’m surprised too. It’s not like lots of liberals in the U.S. don’t also have guns, they just don’t talk about it as much. At some point some ICE officers will screw up and get killed trying to execute a warrant on the wrong house or wrongfully arrest some citizen(s).

 

[Brad Sallows]

Because they haven't been invaded (yet) by poorly trained federal officials who act like jack-booted thugs?

ICE shows up at various facilities in several other states to pick up people for deportation. Locals hand them over; ICE leaves. No problems. Why is MN such an outlier?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It’s only a matter of time before ICE hits the wrong house and dude opens up on them.
That would be horrible for everyone since that will give Trump the pretext to send in Federal Troops.

If I'm not mistaken, Trump has power and reasons to enact the Insurrection Act right now, if he wishes. He just needs to push the button.

 

[QV]

ICE shows up at various facilities in several other states to pick up people for deportation. Locals hand them over; ICE leaves. No problems. Why is MN such an outlier?

Tim Walz needs a narrative change stat.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

ICE shows up at various facilities in several other states to pick up people for deportation. Locals hand them over; ICE leaves. No problems. Why is MN such an outlier?

Is that a serious question?

The real world isn't an intellectual problem. It is affected by intent, method, personal animus, animal spirits, force ratios, political retribution etc.

Shooting a Mom in the face certainly may have had an influence on local response.

The feds outnumber the city police by a factor of 5. 600 cops vs 3000 federal agents. Some of those cops have been targeted by ICE while off duty, to prove their US citizenship. All of those targeted so far are people of colour.

Show me any other location where this disparity of force exists or existed.

 

[brihard]

Is that a serious question?

The real world isn't an intellectual problem. It is affected by intent, method, personal animus, animal spirits, force ratios, political retribution etc.

Shooting a Mom in the face certainly may have had an influence on local response.

The feds outnumber the city police by a factor of 5. 600 cops vs 3000 federal agents. Some of those cops have been targeted by ICE while off duty, to prove their US citizenship. All of those targeted so far are people of colour.

Show me any other location where this disparity of force exists or existed.

You saw that speech by one of the US municipal police chiefs too, eh?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Is that a serious question?

It's a rhetorical question.

The real world isn't an intellectual problem. It is affected by intent, method, personal animus, animal spirits, force ratios, political retribution etc.

Yes. Those are some of the problems in MN. Walz is probably disappointed that he didn't become VP, and probably resents some of the ways he has been mocked. MN is a highly progressive-leaning state; it's the 1 of 50 that Reagan didn't win in 1984; it's strongly Democratic and therefore strongly anti-Republican. The allegations of widespread fraud over public funding (daycares and Medicare) are unlikely to be entirely without foundation, and a distraction from those is helpful to anyone in authority who might look like they weren't doing their jobs, even if they weren't criminally involved. Third parties around the country are goading useful idiots into and beyond civil disobedience to the point mobs are going after people on the basis of "look like" or "might sympathize with" the "bad guys". The MN governor (Walz) openly mused on employing his NG to limit federal enforcement of federal laws.

But mayhem isn't happening in a lot of other places, which that suggests that ICE can do what the administration wants ICE to do without mayhem UNLESS people object enough to intervene and initiate cycles of escalation. That's mostly on the intervenors, although the administration seems to welcome opportunities to wrongfoot its opponents.

Show me any other location where this disparity of force exists or existed.

I can't, because the necessary conditions don't exist in many places (that Portland OR might be one of them heightens the obviousness of where the problems originate - "Portland's gonna Portland"), which, again, suggests people other than the administration/ICE are chiefly responsible for the escalations which produce the consequences.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

ICE shows up at various facilities in several other states to pick up people for deportation. Locals hand them over; ICE leaves. No problems. Why is MN such an outlier?

Squad democrats and paid agitators and rioters. The State hierarchy is so involved in participating with the massive fraud (north of 9 billion now) that they need to push a nuclear option to keep the fraud investigation and participation under the radar on the back page.

That and funders like Soros, the Hopewell Fund, the Arabella Network, the Tides Foundation amongst others.

ICE has deployed and performed raids in lots of other places around the states with zero problems from rioters and support from local LEO. What is making MN so special? Taken in total, it appears MN has created their own bubble and can't complain it's Trump’s fault.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

It's a rhetorical question.

Yes. Those are some of the problems in MN. Walz is probably disappointed that he didn't become VP, and probably resents some of the ways he has been mocked. MN is a highly progressive-leaning state; it's the 1 of 50 that Reagan didn't win in 1984; it's strongly Democratic and therefore strongly anti-Republican. The allegations of widespread fraud over public funding (daycares and Medicare) are unlikely to be entirely without foundation, and a distraction from those is helpful to anyone in authority who might look like they weren't doing their jobs, even if they weren't criminally involved. Third parties around the country are goading useful idiots into and beyond civil disobedience to the point mobs are going after people on the basis of "look like" or "might sympathize with" the "bad guys". The MN governor (Walz) openly mused on employing his NG to limit federal enforcement of federal laws.

But mayhem isn't happening in a lot of other places, which that suggests that ICE can do what the administration wants ICE to do without mayhem UNLESS people object enough to intervene and initiate cycles of escalation. That's mostly on the intervenors, although the administration seems to welcome opportunities to wrongfoot its opponents.

I can't, because the necessary conditions don't exist in many places (that Portland OR might be one of them heightens the obviousness of where the problems originate - "Portland's gonna Portland"), which, again, suggests people other than the administration/ICE are chiefly responsible for the escalations which produce the consequences.

Right. You do you. I'm out.