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You mean Iceland?
A Deeply Fractured US
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You mean Iceland?
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The administration is often petty and provocative. Unfortunately, authorities have a lot of laws to enforce and limited resources, and the right to make choices about who they're going to go after.
Makes sense though. It's the ultimate destination of the "Thank you for your service" culture.
It's actually a very Third World mindset. In a lot of corrupt third world countries institutions are seen as extensions of elites or powerful actors. They aren't seen as independent. Not a surprise the guy who spent his whole life doing a bunch of shady real estate deals has no capacity to understand institutional independence in high trust societies. He just can't imagine that the Norwegian government doesn't direct the Nobel Foundation.
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They are in plenty of red states also.
Texas and Florida have the highest arrest rates for all states.
You don’t hear about other places much because many are cooperating with ICE.
I figure the ramping up of their culture wars is because they've decided they can't fight China. Otherwise, they would unify against the external threat.
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While interesting, it's not really a useful data point.
The West hasn't been in the business of building or crewing freighters in a very long time. It's a lot cheaper to build off-shore, crew from off-shore, and register off-shore.
It's a lot easier to build ships cheap in a place where people who complain about work conditions can be brought into line by having their family imprisoned.
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Has it not crossed your mind that the reason its quiet in other states is that the Secretary of Homeland Security has told ICE to cool it? That right now their focus is Minnesota and especially Minneapolis and currently in the rest of the country the SOP is to be polite, no hanging out at Home Depot, and no intimidation tactics. Once ICE has got their quota in Minnesota then its off to Philly for the next round of mayhem.
I am dumbfounded that there are a bunch of you on here that will consistently carry water for this crew wannabe fascists.
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ICE recruitment: they’ll hire an anti-ICE journalist without so much as a simple Google search, incomplete paperwork, a failed drug test and no signature.
slate.com
You’ve Heard About Who ICE Is Recruiting. The Truth Is Far Worse. I’m the Proof.
What happens when you do minimal screening before hiring agents, arming them, and sending them into the streets? We're all finding out.
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I love how people were on Biden for every slip up, every sign he was slipping mentally, but here Trump is for two weeks threatning to blow up NATO and he cannot even remember which island he want to take over and it's just a Wednesday.
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It's amazing how far the "he may be an a**hole, but he's our a**hole" will take people.
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A**holes are one thing, but it hits different when it's "he may be a senile old man with the nuclear football, but he's our senile old man with the nuclear football"It's amazing how far the "he may be an a**hole, but he's our a**hole" will take people.
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Possible. Also possible that they are being deliberately provocative in the states where they anticipate the most resistance.
Officers should be adequately trained.
Officers should not need masks.
Officers should not need SWAT-type gear except when conducting raids against SWAT-worthy targets.
Officers should identify themselves clearly and on request.
Abuses and shootings should be fully investigated using whatever processes are customary.
Etc.
Nothing contrary to any of the above negates the authority to enforce immigration laws. The administration is doing what Trump campaigned on, and voters freely chose him. If that's fascist, we're all fascist.
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Obama, an intelligent and educated and articulate man particularly noted by his admirers for his speaking ability, once made a slip-of-the-tongue reference to "57 states".
GW Bush made many such gaffes.
It happens. It isn't dispositive evidence of mental decline.
Biden's critics put together his tangled speech patterns (obvious, compared with videos of his stutter-free articulate speaking ability from younger years), shuffling gait, occasional apparent confusion when moving from point to point in staged appearances, and the highly protective behaviour of his staff ("we're calling a lid") to make their conclusions.
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There is enforcing the law, then there is abusing that enforcement to the point that people refuse to cooperate with the administration.
You know this Brad, that the laws that govern us only hold up as long as the people are willing to respect those laws. That enforcement has to be seen to be administered correctly, evenly and with the minimum use of force.
The citizens of the US capacity to accept the violence of the authorities is at a much lower level than let say the citizens of Iran. The Trump administration is walking close to the line of acceptance by the tactics used by their federal forces.
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It's just an act. Trump trolled Greenland and NATO started planning to send troops (Canada dragged our feet) and got Canadians into a weekly fuzzy of excitement. Trump walked away with NATO making some down the road promises to him. Classic Trump 4D chess.
Besides, Canadians were screaming about from the River to the Sea but couldn't name either. It's fine.
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Resistance preceded the start of the current enforcement campaigns (eg. declared sanctuary cities). "Abuse followed by lack of cooperation" is not the universe in which we live. "Abuse followed by increased resistance", sure. The aim of most political opposition is not to ensure illegals get their due process before deportation; it is to prevent deportation.
Polling I've read reveals two things: a high support for enforcement of immigration law, and an increasing (but much lower) majority of displeasure with the way it is being done.
Some background: since the 1986 amnesty-for-enforcement deal, the political establishment delivered a sustained middle finger to the "enforcement" part. It was insufficiently enforced, including the provisions to hold employers liable for knowingly hiring/employing illegals. Voters finally got a choice from "Column C" and took it. "Column C" is delivering results.
Correct. Above all, the laws have to be enforced. For three decades, successive administrations had a very long window of opportunity to enforce evenly and with minimum use of force, and failed. It doesn't matter how much of that failure was intentional; they failed. I suppose the party establishments believed they could continue that state of affairs indefinitely; they guessed wrong.
As long as the administration can point to state and local politicians advocating and condoning lack of cooperation; organized civil disobedience driven by movements clearly opposed to even vanilla immigration enforcement; angry mobs going after people on the basis of appearances or associations; and multitudes of places where enforcement is being conducted without much if any physical force, that line is probably still a long ways away.
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