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A Deeply Fractured US

Nothing in that earlier interaction was relevant to the subsequent interaction from a week or more later where they disarmed him and then two officers pumped ten or eleven rounds into his back.

I agree 100% with your comment. The shooting is not the incident I was commenting on. The convo had shifted around to his actions at the vehicle incident. That is what I was addressing. Nobody said it was relevant.

I haven't been paying much attention to what is going on down there. Including the shooting, so I didn’t comment on it. I'd have to look at it more carefully myself, but I can't be bothered at the moment.
 
I agree 100% with your comment. The shooting is not the incident I was commenting on. The convo had shifted around to his actions at the vehicle incident. That is what I was addressing. Nobody said it was relevant.

I haven't been paying much attention to what is going on down there. Including the shooting, so I didn’t comment on it. I'd have to look at it more carefully myself, but I can't be bothered at the moment.
Gotcha. Only reason anyone is talking about him is because CBP killed him - nothing else he did is particularly remarkable in context - so I figured any comment presumably had some tie to that. Apologies for the error.
 
Gotcha. Only reason anyone is talking about him is because CBP killed him - nothing else he did is particularly remarkable in context - so I figured any comment presumably had some tie to that. Apologies for the error.

No problem bri. I'm trying to get my GAF Factor way down from where it's been over the years. Avoidance seems the only sure solution.
 
He didn't just kick a tail light. He spit at the agents. Window up or down, he still left his DNA all over the vehicle. Carrying a firearm while committing a felony, obstruction and more.

So no, Alex appears to have kicked a tail light, isn't an accurate statement. Nor does it convey the seriousness or criminality of his actions.
Yeah he should have been arrested and charged with some kind of assault and mischief thing. Lots of ICE agents should be charged too but they seem to be above the law.

The goon behavior is counter productive to getting rapists and murders caught and kicked out of the country.
 
Yeah he should have been arrested and charged with some kind of assault and mischief thing. Lots of ICE agents should be charged too but they seem to be above the law.

The goon behavior is counter productive to getting rapists and murders caught and kicked out of the country.

Their version of mischief, maybe… Spitting on a car is not assault. If the window was open and it was aimed at an officer, then ok sure.
 
Apparently... woman videoing ICE activities is followed and nabbed:

Unmarked car, masked men with weapons drawn, not identifying themselves before pointing their weapons at you, no official ID presented to the person, no explanation as to why they are demanding the person to exist the vehicle - wow.

Local police got invovled. I think this is the first time this has happened and likely not the last from what I'm seeing coming from other cities PD's.

 
I haven seen Don Lennon's arrest come up here yet... I'm a bit surprised by that.
I had to look up who that was and what happened.

Seems pretty straight forward: he thought himself righteous and in doing so, acted like a dick and violated the FACE act, leading to a justifiable arrest.

Not sure why that would be a topic for more/in-depth discussion. Is there something I'm missing about it Tar?
 
I had to look up who that was and what happened.

Seems pretty straight forward: he thought himself righteous and in doing so, acted like a dick and violated the FACE act, leading to a justifiable arrest.

Not sure why that would be a topic for more/in-depth discussion. Is there something I'm missing about it Tar?
Time will tell on that one. Reading through the indictment he may have crossed beyond what would be an acceptable journalistic presence and actions; I don’t know enough about how their law will apply to say. But it’ll be a tough sell for prosecutors. They had trouble even getting the indictment in the first place, and I’m sure his network will provide skilled lawyers.
 
Time will tell on that one. Reading through the indictment he may have crossed beyond what would be an acceptable journalistic presence and actions; I don’t know enough about how their law will apply to say. But it’ll be a tough sell for prosecutors. They had trouble even getting the indictment in the first place, and I’m sure his network will provide skilled lawyers.

Bri, Lemon doesn't work for anyone anymore. He's an independent.

Lemon and eight other co-defendants, including another journalist, have been charged with conspiracy against religious freedom at a place of worship and injuring, intimidating, and interfering with the exercise of the right of religious freedom at a place of worship. He is supposedly charged under both the FACE Act and the KLAN act.

I get the FACE Act charges. I took one quick read of the Klan Act and I'm not sure where that one fits. Sounds like almost the same thing as the FACE Act.
 
Bri, Lemon doesn't work for anyone anymore. He's an independent.

Lemon and eight other co-defendants, including another journalist, have been charged with conspiracy against religious freedom at a place of worship and injuring, intimidating, and interfering with the exercise of the right of religious freedom at a place of worship. He is supposedly charged under both the FACE Act and the KLAN act.

I get the FACE Act charges. I took one quick read of the Klan Act and I'm not sure where that one fits. Sounds like almost the same thing as the FACE Act.
Oh, ok. Shows how little attention I pay to their media ecosystem. I would expect he has some sort of legal insurance, but anyway, neither my monkey nor my zoo.

Like I said, I read the indictment… Not sure how the courts will see it in terms of participant in a conspiracy versus journalist along for the ride. Journalists tend to enjoy considerable though not absolute protection. But he may have gone beyond those protections.

If in fact he committed crimes, well, you know the old thing about when you choose the behaviour…
 
Conservative commentator SE Cupp, who worked with Lemon and did not like him at all, had an interesting take on his situation.


Even though it sounds like she really detests him, she thinks he was arrested for committing journalism.
 
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