Guns or Drones or Both?

[HavokFour]

Worth a mention that the DIS includes the creation of a Drone Innovation Hub at the National Research Council, with a $105 million investment over 3 years.

 

[ytz]

Some details have come out about Hedgehog 2025 held last May in Estonia.

“We are f—”: 10 Ukrainians with drones wipe out two NATO battalions in war game - Euromaidan Press

Ukrainian drone team wiped out two NATO battalions in a day during Estonia's Hedgehog 2025 exercise, exposing the alliance's drone warfare gap.

euromaidanpress.com

This sounds like the army version of when F-22 Raptors get killed during exercsises. It's a purposely handicapped exercise. Yes, there's a lot to learn about drone use at the tactical level. But also, Ukraine is not how near-peer war with NATO would happen.

 

[GR66]

This sounds like the army version of when F-22 Raptors get killed during exercsises. It's a purposely handicapped exercise. Yes, there's a lot to learn about drone use at the tactical level. But also, Ukraine is not how near-peer war with NATO would happen.

While that may be true it also may indicate that there are a number of fieldcraft lessons regarding dispersion, deception and camouflage that need to be (re)learned. It also probably indicates how woefully NATO armies are behind in deployed EW (both offensive and defensive), C-UAS and AD capabilities in relation to the modern battlefield.

 

[Furniture]

While that may be true it also may indicate that there are a number of fieldcraft lessons regarding dispersion, deception and camouflage that need to be (re)learned. It also probably indicates how woefully NATO armies are behind in deployed EW (both offensive and defensive), C-UAS and AD capabilities in relation to the modern battlefield.

It also likely reflects a lot of "trainingitis" in Western nations. We know what we should be doing, but since it's just an exercise, we will do what is convenient.

The real danger comes in when trainingitis hits during real events... Like when PRO's attack teams didn't use AFFF because they did so many repetitive(and dull/pointless) fire exercises where the wand wasn't dipped in the AFFF that when the real thing happened people did exactly as they had been trained.