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Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

This can’t be right…
We are spending 500 million for one Bombardier 6500 for testing?

Probably poorly written as I doubt you could fit half a billion gear into the plane.
 
This can’t be right…
We are spending 500 million for one Bombardier 6500 for testing?

From the article:
More than $500 million will be put towards acquiring a new Canadian-built Bombardier Global 6500 aircraft that will be used for defence-related technology development and creating a Drone Innovation Hub in Ottawa and Montreal.
 
This can’t be right…
We are spending 500 million for one Bombardier 6500 for testing?

Probably typical government accounting, where they include the purchase price, plus 40 year operating costs including fuel, windshield washer fluid, crew costs and Christmas presents.
 
In the industries with which I am familiar these are the definitions …
Okay, so we’ve established that you are not familiar with military training and readiness?

Termium has CAF using “validation” as described in this thread since 1990, and “certification” as described in this thread aince 2014.
 
The right way. The wrong way. The army way.

Moving on.

While we are throwing money around and debating solving the world's problems decades in the future - my near term wish list.

GDOTs to produce CG84 rounds and AT4s for inventory.
GDOTs also to produce 5.56 - 12.7 Ball and autocannon rounds for inventory.
Magellan to restart CRV7 production
Canadians to produce the Ukraine's $1000 interceptors
Production of mines.
Production of cheap, scatterable sensors.
Production of low cost guidance kits like the M1156 PGM and the APKWS II guidance modules.
Production of Proximity fuses.

GM to produce ISVs and Milverados
Ford and Roshel to cooperate on producing Senators
Production of oversnow vehicles.

Colt to produce C8s in 25,000 unit batches until told to stop.
Colt to produce 25,000 C6s
Purchase of M3 12.7 HMG and the M230LF autocannon for general distribution
Purchase of HMG and autocannon based CUAS systems

Purchase of a standard cell phone in 25,000 unit batches

Convince 300,000 Canadians to train in their spare time to take up these arms to be able to defend their communities as VP guards and CUAS gunners if necessary.

How many Subs or RCDs or F35s would we need to sacrifice to make that possible?
 
The right way. The wrong way. The army way.

Moving on.

While we are throwing money around and debating solving the world's problems decades in the future - my near term wish list.

GDOTs to produce CG84 rounds and AT4s for inventory.
GDOTs also to produce 5.56 - 12.7 Ball and autocannon rounds for inventory.
Magellan to restart CRV7 production
Canadians to produce the Ukraine's $1000 interceptors
Production of mines.
Production of cheap, scatterable sensors.
Production of low cost guidance kits like the M1156 PGM and the APKWS II guidance modules.
Production of Proximity fuses.

GM to produce ISVs and Milverados
Ford and Roshel to cooperate on producing Senators
Production of oversnow vehicles.

Colt to produce C8s in 25,000 unit batches until told to stop.
Colt to produce 25,000 C6s
Purchase of M3 12.7 HMG and the M230LF autocannon for general distribution
Purchase of HMG and autocannon based CUAS systems

Purchase of a standard cell phone in 25,000 unit batches

Convince 300,000 Canadians to train in their spare time to take up these arms to be able to defend their communities as VP guards and CUAS gunners if necessary.

How many Subs or RCDs or F35s would we need to sacrifice to make that possible?
How many Generals and deputy ministers?
 
The right way. The wrong way. The army way.

Moving on.

While we are throwing money around and debating solving the world's problems decades in the future - my near term wish list.

GDOTs to produce CG84 rounds and AT4s for inventory.
Saab license required.
GDOTs also to produce 5.56 - 12.7 Ball and autocannon rounds for inventory.
Magellan to restart CRV7 production
Canadians to produce the Ukraine's $1000 interceptors
Agreed
Production of mines.
You first need pull out of the Convention - that is named for wait - oh yes the capital city...
Production of cheap, scatterable sensors.
Agreed
Production of low cost guidance kits like the M1156 PGM and the APKWS II guidance modules.
Again licensing issues need to be worked out.
Production of Proximity fuses.

GM to produce ISVs and Milverados
GM has their LUVW which is a "real" Milverado - unlike the earlier CA ones.
Ford and Roshel to cooperate on producing Senators
I see the appeal
Production of oversnow vehicles.
I would like to see a BAE plant for both CV-90 and BvS-10's
Colt to produce C8s in 25,000 unit batches until told to stop.
No argument there
Colt to produce 25,000 C6s
Not sure that is the best option for a GPMG these days.
Purchase of M3 12.7 HMG and the M230LF autocannon for general distribution
Yuck - GAU-19 all the way for a .50 (way more reliable than the M3/GAU-21 - and longer barrel life)
Not sold on the M230LF, I'd be more interested in the Mk44 Bushmaster II for LAV swapping, or looking at a split of M61 Vulcan, and 35mm RM/Oerlikon
Purchase of HMG and autocannon based CUAS systems
See above
Purchase of a standard cell phone in 25,000 unit batches
You will need a lot of other enablers for the cell phones too -- as well as a slew more radios, and their enablers.
I would leave that to @PuckChaser and others to guide.

Convince 300,000 Canadians to train in their spare time to take up these arms to be able to defend their communities as VP guards and CUAS gunners if necessary.

How many Subs or RCDs or F35s would we need to sacrifice to make that possible?
At 3.5% none. While equipping a ground force isn't exactly cheap (at least one with modern equipment) it is pennies on the dollar compared to Air Force and Navy stuff).
 
Just give me a new C8A4, annual ammo allotment and some other bits, let me keep it at home, and I'll happily train on my spare time and be a part of the 300 (thousand). Oh... and build a few flat ranges in my area for easy access. I might even do some cardio again...
 
Just give me a new C8A4, annual ammo allotment and some other bits, let me keep it at home, and I'll happily train on my spare time and be a part of the 300 (thousand). Oh... and build a few flat ranges in my area for easy access. I might even do some cardio again...
Ill give ya one better, ive seen the pre production model C25 Rifle thats replacing the C7 for the CMAR project. Unfortunately I cant share pictures but its very nice. Production scheduled for next year
 
Ill give ya one better, ive seen the pre production model C25 Rifle thats replacing the C7 for the CMAR project. Unfortunately I cant share pictures but its very nice. Production scheduled for next year

I'd take that!
 
Saab license required.

Taken as read. We have a licence to produce some 84mm rounds


If we can't get the AT4 licence, either from Saab or you (another Swedish American venture, just like that Boeing Saab trainer) then we will have to buy more M4 CG84s.


See! Occasionally it happens. 😁

You first need pull out of the Convention - that is named for wait - oh yes the capital city...

Agreed. Again.

Fortunately that word "mines" is one that lawyers love to argue over.

Apparently a toe-popper is a mine but an anti-tank mine isn't. Nor is a Claymore. Nor an off-route mine - which could be a LAM parked beside an enemy highway. Lots of wiggle room to exploit.

One thing our politicians share with the Chinese. They will never admit error and repeal a law. On the other hand they will amend it to mean the exact opposite.


We're ahead.

Again licensing issues need to be worked out.

Dollars and cents and political advantage. Negotiable I would think.

GM has their LUVW which is a "real" Milverado - unlike the earlier CA ones.

Happy enough to take it. Cheap, usable and keeps Canadians employed. Some might even be inclined to volunteer to drive them for the VP Guard Corps.

I see the appeal

More agreement!

I put them on the same footing as the GM vehicle A readily available 80 percenter.

Keep both sides happy.

Have GM build ISVs and militarized Pickups.
Have Ford and Roshel build militarized Pickups and Senator style PMVs.

And let all of them continue to play with their designs the same way that Colt plays with theirs.


I would like to see a BAE plant for both CV-90 and BvS-10's

Happy with that too.

I intentionally left Big Army stuff off my wish list because that has enough advocates.

I am advocating for the kit that could reduce risk at home at least cost.

How are you coming along with that Californian Drone Attack warning?

The BvS-10 fits my bill as an oversnow vehicle. I would like to see Foremost be reissued the contract for 800 or so they were promised back in the 80s.

I too would like to see the CV90 built here but, again, that is Big Army expeditionary stuff.

No argument there

👍

Not sure that is the best option for a GPMG these days.

Happy to take advice.
Cheap, easily produced in large quantities in an existing calibre that a citizen can learn to use quickly.

Yuck - GAU-19 all the way for a .50 (way more reliable than the M3/GAU-21 - and longer barrel life)

Fine. Sold.

Not sold on the M230LF, I'd be more interested in the Mk44 Bushmaster II for LAV swapping, or looking at a split of M61 Vulcan, and 35mm RM/Oerlikon

OK with the Mk44 and the Oerlikons for the Big Army. More than happy. Pairing those with NASAMS seems like a good GBAD basis for the Army, and one that they could bring to the domestic theater if necessary.

My fascination with the M230 stems from its history with the Apache and its rapidly developing popularity as a modern trench-sweeper. Simple to use, many rounds for many applications, relatively light so applicable to light vehicles, UGVs and ground installations and the US is producing lots of them. The 1500 to 2000 m range makes them useful in the close defence role and if the ill-inclined get their hands on them then they can't do too much damage beyond that range and can be easily out-ranged by what the professionals have in stock.

See above

Likewise

You will need a lot of other enablers for the cell phones too -- as well as a slew more radios, and their enablers.
I would leave that to @PuckChaser and others to guide.

Seen. But let's not over complicate things. Secure comms may not be as necessary as clear comms

At 3.5% none. While equipping a ground force isn't exactly cheap (at least one with modern equipment) it is pennies on the dollar compared to Air Force and Navy stuff).

And thus my advocacy for this spending in the absence of demonstrable support from the serving side.

We have spent so long scrabbling for pennies we seem to have lost sight of how to effectively prioritize in the face of inter-service competition.
 
Just give me a new C8A4, annual ammo allotment and some other bits, let me keep it at home, and I'll happily train on my spare time and be a part of the 300 (thousand). Oh... and build a few flat ranges in my area for easy access. I might even do some cardio again...
This sort of thing is at odds with other politically driven government policy around firearms ownership by the populace in Canada, incredibly unlikely at this point.
 
This sort of thing is at odds with other politically driven government policy around firearms ownership by the populace in Canada, incredibly unlikely at this point.
Agreed. Which means I'm incredibly unlikely to join the super supp reserve of civilians.
 
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