Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

Events indeed shape everything. To quote Master Yoda "Always in motion is the future.."

IF Carney says "see ya" and bails in 2028 (we agree this could happen), I think we will see another Liberal leadership race first and then someone sitting in the chair until spring 2029.

I think its more likely he seeks a fresh mandate in spring 2028 to deal with the new administration in order to finally hammer out CUSMA

 

[ytz]

Carney is easy. It's hard for some to get this. But with Carney in charge the average person doesn't have to think about politics. They trust that shit is getting done. Maybe it's not perfect. Or what they always want. But something, somewhere, is getting done. Some people may find that idea contemptible. Fair enough. But if you want to understand why the guy is popular this is part of it.

 

[childs56]

Carney is easy. It's hard for some to get this. But with Carney in charge the average person doesn't have to think about politics. They trust that shit is getting done. Maybe it's not perfect. Or what they always want. But something, somewhere, is getting done. Some people may find that idea contemptible. Fair enough. But if you want to understand why the guy is popular this is part of it.

So what you are saying is he reversed many of the Liberals policies that got them voted in for the past 10 years and kept the Conservatives out.
Now he is implementing those changes and his voter base is happy.

Makes one wonder how their supporters have not realized the liberals wasted billions of dollars in actual money and billions more in potential money over the past 10 years. Yet still support them running off the Conservative parties platform.

When the money actually runs out (which is soon) we will see how effective the current government is.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Makes one wonder how their supporters have not realized the liberals wasted billions of dollars in actual money and billions more in potential money over the past 10 years. Yet still support them running off the Conservative parties platform.

Perhaps Canadian voters did not feel that there was a viable alternative on offer.

 

[ArmyRick]

But if you want to understand why the guy is popular this is part of it.

Not always. Kathleen took Ontario with a majority in 2014 and by 2018, she couldn't fill a minivan and she was incumbent.

Trudeau kept getting elected until I suspect his party caucus was about to lynch him, hence his retirement.

Doug Ford, convinced Ontario he deserved a third straight majority and now he lower than the Ontario Liberals in the polls and they don't even have a leader yet.

Have you ever stopped to think that the whole point of an election is campaign is psychological and they do everything they can to get your vote using both fear and hope?

I strongly suspect the Canadian population is going to get fed up with Carney fast. He was slipping the polls last fall, then Trump dropped an elbow smash on Venezuela simultaneously Carney gave his all fluff-so substance Davos speech, and boom, he picked up again.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I strongly suspect the Canadian population is going to get fed up with Carney fast. He was slipping the polls last fall, then Trump dropped an elbow smash on Venezuela simultaneously Carney gave his all fluff-so substance Davos speech, and boom, he picked up again.

In the meantime, many Canadians probably feel like the parents have finally come home after a long period away and shut down a raucous house party run by the (drunken and stoned) kids.

 

[lenaitch]

Wouldn't it be better if the warring factions simply declared they don't like the 'other side' and moved on?

 

[Altair]

Wouldn't it be better if the warring factions simply declared they don't like the 'other side' and moved on?

This thread would be awfully quiet.

 

[lenaitch]

This thread would be awfully quiet.

No kidding. Some people's metal health might improve, though.

 

[ArmyRick]

In the meantime, many Canadians probably feel like the parents have finally come home after a long period away and shut down a raucous house party run by the (drunken and stoned) kids.

And there lies the weakness of the Canadian population...political ignorance.

Ironic that the best Liberal PM in the last 60 years was Paul Martin and he only got three years in power.

 

[ArmyRick]

No kidding. Some people's metal health might improve, though.

And there mental health too! But metal health is important

 

[The Bread Guy]

Ironic that the best Liberal PM in the last 60 years was Paul Martin and he only got three years in power.

Funny thing is, though, that a lot of people who’ve hated Team Red then & now we’re bashing him pretty hard at the time. Funny what a bit of time & distance does. Lookit how Bush Jr. (or even Sr.) was assessed while he was still at ‘er compared to now.

That’s why some say history’ll be the true judge.

 

[Altair]

Funny thing is, though, that a lot of people who’ve hated Team Red then & now we’re bashing him pretty hard at the time. Funny what a bit of time & distance does. Lookit how Bush Jr. (or even Sr.) was assessed while he was still at ‘er compared to now.

That’s why some say history’ll be the true judge.

People are going to be annoyed when in 15 years or so Justin Trudeau is similarly rehabilitated

 

[ytz]

So what you are saying is he reversed many of the Liberals policies that got them voted in for the past 10 years and kept the Conservatives out.
Now he is implementing those changes and his voter base is happy.

Makes one wonder how their supporters have not realized the liberals wasted billions of dollars in actual money and billions more in potential money over the past 10 years. Yet still support them running off the Conservative parties platform.

When the money actually runs out (which is soon) we will see how effective the current government is.

The base isn't relevant here. What matters is the general voting public. And the LPC adapts to public concerns. That's what keeps them in power. Conservatives are, understandably, frustrated with this. But that's how the game is played. Voters can change their minds on issues and priorities. That's allowed.

 

[The Bread Guy]

People are going to be annoyed when in 15 years or so Justin Trudeau is similarly rehabilitated

If he is, they sure will be. I always stand to be corrected, but I don’t predict he’s going to end up in the same pigeonholes (or even ballpark) as Martin.

 

[ytz]

Funny thing is, though, that a lot of people who’ve hated Team Red then & now we’re bashing him pretty hard at the time. Funny what a bit of time & distance does. Lookit how Bush Jr. (or even Sr.) was assessed while he was still at ‘er compared to now.

That’s why some say history’ll be the true judge.

Somehow I doubt the conservatives lauding Martin voted for him over Harper. The same goes for the other side. O'Toole was a nice moderate conservative. Liberals who are appalled at Poilievre should remember they got PP because they passed up O'Toole for Trudeau's most disastrous term.

 

[ytz]

Wouldn't it be better if the warring factions simply declared they don't like the 'other side' and moved on?

Mostly this thread.

Honestly don't get it. In real life, who likes the friend or relative that constantly talks about politics? And have they ever succeeded in convincing you to change your vote? Usually a serious turn off from that political brand for me. Like who wants to vote the same as their crazy uncle on Facebook?

 

[Altair]

Somehow I doubt the conservatives lauding Martin voted for him over Harper. The same goes for the other side. O'Toole was a nice moderate conservative. Liberals who are appalled at Poilievre should remember they got PP because they passed up O'Toole for Trudeau's most disastrous term.

I maintain that the message Canadians gave O'Toole was wait until the crisis is over, then we will get back to you.

The CPC didnt wait though.

 

[ArmyRick]

O'Toole was a nice moderate conservative.

Sooooo you missed the part where I showed the media and the Liberals attack O'Toole including how "Trump like" he was? It was character assassination.

Frankly O'Toole's platform and messaging were weak. I did support his run for leadership.

Liberals who are appalled at Poilievre should remember they got PP because they passed up O'Toole for Trudeau's most disastrous term.

Good perspective. Mostly agreed.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The base isn't relevant here. What matters is the general voting public. And the LPC adapts to public concerns. That's what keeps them in power. Conservatives are, understandably, frustrated with this. But that's how the game is played. Voters can change their minds on issues and priorities. That's allowed.

I really am trying not to get involved in this thread anymore but I just wanted to tag on to this.

This is what the CPC doesn't understand. The LPC runs campaigns on getting elected at all costs and the CPC runs on principals. The CPC needs to realize Canadians are generally ok with being lied too so long as the double doubles, HNIC and free healthcare keep flowing.

Liberals Canadians who are appalled at Poilievre should remember they got PP because they passed up O'Toole for Trudeau's most disastrous term.