Political impacts of Ukraine war

[The Bread Guy]

My, those UKR drones get around

Estonia expects Ukraine to improve drone control after airspace breaches

Estonia's government has said it expects Ukraine to improve control over its drones after a series of airspace breaches on the borders of the Baltic states in recent months.

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[Kirkhill]

A Dominic Nicholls report from a Ukraine operations room.

Kill zone from Front Line Own Troops to 30 km into the enemy rear with $2000 fibreoptic drones modified locally everyday.

5 km front for a brigade with one factory supplying 2000 FPVs a monthfor the brigade. 200 or so for a battalion.

No vehicular movement within the kill zone.

Russians dropped off 20 km from their destination, advancing on foot with no kit, led on the route by drones hoping that their kit will be delivered by drones once they are in position.

And AI autonomy

....

already here.

Inside the Ukrainian war room turning the tide on Russia

We get exclusive access to the secret command HQ to witness new technology ruthlessly ‘deleting’ Putin’s army

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Colin Parkinson]

And a estimate that it costs Ukraine $882 to kill a Russian solider.

 

[Eaglelord17]

And a estimate that it costs Ukraine $882 to kill a Russian solider.

Thats some good value right there.

Considering Afghanistan was approximately 13 million per direct kill and Vietnam was 168-200k (1970 dollars) the West has a lot to learn from them. And that is facing off against a much inferior force, let alone a peer to peer or even dominate force.

 

[Kirkhill]

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[Czech_pivo]

Thats some good value right there.

Considering Afghanistan was approximately 13 million per direct kill and Vietnam was 168-200k (1970 dollars) the West has a lot to learn from them. And that is facing off against a much inferior force, let alone a peer to peer or even dominate force.

That's their cost because their wages and support staff/services is more than likely much much lower than a NATO country.

But, its still amazingly lower than the above quoted numbers/costs.

 

[GR66]

That's their cost because their wages and support staff/services is more than likely much much lower than a NATO country.

But, its still amazingly lower than the above quoted numbers/costs.

Personally I wouldn't put too much stock in any $ vs casualty calculation for any war. There are so many factors involved in the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of any military that can wildly swing the number of casualties, never mind the difficulty of calculating an actual cost.

 

[KevinB]

Thats some good value right there.

Considering Afghanistan was approximately 13 million per direct kill and Vietnam was 168-200k (1970 dollars) the West has a lot to learn from them. And that is facing off against a much inferior force, let alone a peer to peer or even dominate force.

Kill figures during a war (and in cases of fairly non permissive areas after) are next to impossible to work out. Tons of casualties got dragged across the border in Afghanistan into Pakistan as well, to often be replaced by more. Even closed sources on Ukraine and Russian casualties can vary dramatically.

Additionally Afghanistan and Vietnam where primarily COIN operations without significant engagements of conventional forces at the levels the Russian invasion of Ukraine has seen.

Plus those giant FOB’s don’t fund themselves. Setting up a GreenBeans, Buger King, Dairy Queen and multiple base exchanges is fairly costly overhead.

Additionally the US and Australia in Vietnam, and NATO/Coalition members in Afghanistan where not getting a lot of donated equipment, nor where they a war for national survival that tended to focus one’s effort.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Someone, somewhere has got some serious explaining to do.

Canadian intelligence officers visit Quebec company after sniper rifles turn up in Russia | Globalnews.ca

The briefing took place after Global News reported in October that social media posts showed Cadex rifles for sale in Moscow and in the hands of Russian snipers.

globalnews.ca

Canadian intelligence officers visit Quebec company after sniper rifles turn up in Russia​

"...... October that social media posts showed Cadex rifles for sale in Moscow and in the hands of Russian snipers."

"While some of the Canadian-made guns appeared to have been captured from Ukrainian forces, others looked brand new and still had their product tags." - Hopefully not the case of the new ones being sold off by bad actors in Ukraine to the Russians.....

 

[Halifax Tar]

Someone, somewhere has got some serious explaining to do.

Canadian intelligence officers visit Quebec company after sniper rifles turn up in Russia | Globalnews.ca

The briefing took place after Global News reported in October that social media posts showed Cadex rifles for sale in Moscow and in the hands of Russian snipers.

globalnews.ca

Canadian intelligence officers visit Quebec company after sniper rifles turn up in Russia​

"...... October that social media posts showed Cadex rifles for sale in Moscow and in the hands of Russian snipers."

"While some of the Canadian-made guns appeared to have been captured from Ukrainian forces, others looked brand new and still had their product tags." - Hopefully not the case of the new ones being sold off by bad actors in Ukraine to the Russians.....

I understand your looking for some sort of sensational gotcha moment. But even CISIS said they did everything correct.

Based south of Montreal, Cadex supplies military and law enforcement agencies worldwide. Dextraze said the company did not export its products to Russia.

Dextraze confirmed in a phone call with Global News that CSIS had met with his company several times to discuss the matter.

The intelligence officers “verified that we have done everything in the perfect way,”

If I was a betting man, and thank the lord I'm not. I would say these are battlefield pick ups, stock pile captures or 3rd and 4th party acquisitions.

Is Fazakerley responsible for the rifle I own that's changed hands XX times before I bought it ?

 

[Czech_pivo]

I understand your looking for some sort of sensational gotcha moment. But even CISIS said they did everything correct.



If I was a betting man, and thank the lord I'm not. I would say these are battlefield pick ups, stock pile captures or 3rd and 4th party acquisitions.

Is Fazakerley responsible for the rifle I own that's changed hands XX times before I bought it ?

No, not looking for any sort of 'gotta ya' moment. That is why I speculated that maybe the issue resided on the other side of the ocean (Ukraine) and not here on our side. From my memory, I believe that we shipped directly to Ukraine a number of sniper rifles in the past. There have been a number of cases before this latest war started and since, where weapons and such have hit the black market and ended up in Russian hands.

The article said that the company had not shipped a product to Russia in over 10+yrs and no replacement parts in over 6yrs.

 

[KevinB]

No, not looking for any sort of 'gotta ya' moment. That is why I speculated that maybe the issue resided on the other side of the ocean (Ukraine) and not here on our side. From my memory, I believe that we shipped directly to Ukraine a number of sniper rifles in the past. There have been a number of cases before this latest war started and since, where weapons and such have hit the black market and ended up in Russian hands.

The article said that the company had not shipped a product to Russia in over 10+yrs and no replacement parts in over 6yrs.

Russia does a slew of third party transactions.
Anything sold into several of the “stans” tends to not be for them, but for Russia.

They have more than just a shadow fleet, they have tons of shell corporations worldwide to effect sanction evasion.