Replacing the Subs

[HavokFour]

There is probably a Victoria Cross citation in there, someplace.

Surely, cobra chickens are no joke. Those sailors have no idea how close they came to oblivion.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Surely, cobra chickens are no joke. Those sailors have no idea how close they came to oblivion.

No kidding...

Bomber Command - No. 408 (Goose) Squadron

 

[Underway]

Surely, cobra chickens are no joke. Those sailors have no idea how close they came to oblivion.

All part of the cultural exchange.

 

[Underway]

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[Underway]

Spoke to someone in submarine community yesterday. Some interesting perspectives. They we speaking about challenges and likes of each program, but not necessarily considerations for the competition.

Both subs they would be super happy with.

The KSS is something we have no experience with. Vertical launch capability changes a lot of their tactical and strategic operation thinking.

The training and integration would be much harder than with the German sub. There is a much higher language barrier with the KSS training and integration. The sub is not integrated into NATO sub standards for operations, safety and maintenance so there is more work on our side for that

German sub operates like we currently do. There is a lower initial training delta and faster integration potential. Currently we even share courses.

For support ecosystems the Koreans are likely going to build all the infrastructure themselves whereas the Germans are going to provide all the plans and IP for us to figure out (synchrolift, shops, repair facilities). Korean option is more turn key.
I was told the sub maintenance facilities will be beside the fueling jetty in Esquimalt. I assume similar for the Eastern Passage property they just bought in Halifax.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Spoke to someone in submarine community yesterday. Some interesting perspectives. They we speaking about challenges and likes of each program, but not necessarily considerations for the competition.

Both subs they would be super happy with.

The KSS is something we have no experience with. Vertical launch capability changes a lot of their tactical and strategic operation thinking.

The training and integration would be much harder than with the German sub. There is a much higher language barrier with the KSS training and integration. The sub is not integrated into NATO sub standards for operations, safety and maintenance so there is more work on our side for that

German sub operates like we currently do. There is a lower initial training delta and faster integration potential. Currently we even share courses.

For support ecosystems the Koreans are likely going to build all the infrastructure themselves whereas the Germans are going to provide all the plans and IP for us to figure out (synchrolift, shops, repair facilities). Korean option is more turn key.
I was told the sub maintenance facilities will be beside the fueling jetty in Esquimalt. I assume similar for the Eastern Passage property they just bought in Halifax.

I favour the SK approach on the build side for the repair facilities. If they are saying that we'll have 4 subs in the water in 9yrs (2035) from them, its imperative that the facilities are built and completed by 2035. I don't have the initial confidence that we'd be able to build the required facilities by that timeframce.

 

[Rainbow1910]

The training and integration would be much harder than with the German sub. There is a much higher language barrier with the KSS training and integration. The sub is not integrated into NATO sub standards for operations, safety and maintenance so there is more work on our side for that

German sub operates like we currently do. There is a lower initial training delta and faster integration potential. Currently we even share courses.

It’s good to know that we’ll have crews ready long before we have submarines delivered given the German timelines

 

[YZT580]

It’s good to know that we’ll have crews ready long before we have submarines delivered given the German timelines

my 10 year old grandson could be a plank owner on the very first one (sigh)

 

[Colin Parkinson]

And if anyone is interested, here are the specifications for the ROKS Daejeon frigate:

That's a lot of capability in that hull, for that tonnage, might be an interesting case study/baseline for the CDC?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It’s good to know that we’ll have crews ready long before we have submarines delivered given the German timelines

Our cunning plan if we go German is to give our current submariners more booze and no condoms in order to create a new generation of submariners.

 

[Underway]

That's a lot of capability in that hull, for that tonnage, might be an interesting case study/baseline for the CDC?

I took a look at it up close.

If you swapped out the 127mm for a 57mm it would be a good fit. Unlike SK we don't need shore bombardment capability on our light frigates.

The flight deck was tiny in comparison to our own.

It had a single fire control radar and looked like a SMART-S airsearch (same as the frigates). CWIS as well.

I agree that they are a case study and close to what we probably will want. No room for containerized packages though.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Here is Rear-Admiral David Patchell interview