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Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

Soooooo, PM Carney has three MPs resigning and 14 "secret" MPs penning a letter complaining about possible new pipeline

When do you Liberals now criticize Carney's leadership? Or is the bar set different for the Liberal leader than the Conservative leader?

Liberal supporters, gaslight us and explain away...

 
Soooooo, PM Carney has three MPs resigning and 14 "secret" MPs penning a letter complaining about possible new pipeline

When do you Liberals now criticize Carney's leadership? Or is the bar set different for the Liberal leader than the Conservative leader?

Liberal supporters, gaslight us and explain away...


I'm surprised his Make America Great Again comment hasn't come up... Or maybe I missed it...

The Line keeps up their great work.

 
Soooooo, PM Carney has three MPs resigning and 14 "secret" MPs penning a letter complaining about possible new pipeline

When do you Liberals now criticize Carney's leadership? Or is the bar set different for the Liberal leader than the Conservative leader?

Liberal supporters, gaslight us and explain away...

when it looks like it impacts an election
 
honestly you don't attain those positions without knowing just a little bit about the topic. No.1 was head of research at the European Centre for medium range weather forecasts and then founded the department of theoretical climate modelling and participated in their development. So I suspect he is a little bit known in the field.
No.2 is another loser. He developed the first successful satellite temperature record in collaboration with another scientist. Here is what Wilki has to say: He was appointed Alabama's state climatologist in 2000. For his development of a global temperature data set from satellites, he was awarded NASA's Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement and the American Meteorological Society's "Special Award."</a> In 2002, Christy was elected Fellow of the American Meteorological Society.
No.3 Roy Spencer He was the other half of the Satellite development. Again from wilki. He is a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite. He has served as senior scientist for climate studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. His position on AGW is simply that there is some but it isn't worth worrying about and has written several books on the subject.
No.4 Judith A. Curry She is an interesting case. She is very well known and she does believe in AGW and, if the worst case scenario were to come to pass it would be bad indeed but she questions the immediacy of of the problem and is firmly opposed to our current efforts. She is no loser.
No.5 Richard S. Lindzen I can't begin to list this fellows achievements. He has published over 200 times as of 2010 on topics I can't begin to understand. He taught at both Harvard and MIT and is totally opposed to all the climate change stuff.
No.6 Nir J. Shaviv is an astrophysicist and is very well known in that field. His observations have led him to maintain that warming is primarily a result of the sun and its rays. He has written a bunch of stuff as welll so all of them are known and all of them, including Judith were highly respected scientists in their field. Mann didn't like her very much but that certainly isn't a vote against anyone.

The problem with my experts is they publish stuff that you don't agree with and thus you insult them and their careers without knowing anything at all about them. Now this whole thing is a long way removed from the topic so I am going to cease my participation here with a hearty apology to the mods who have been very patient. ciao
the problem with your experts is that they are wrong. That is why no scientific organizations in the world agree with them. As above you can see how wrong Lindzen and Curry were and remain. Spencer and Christy have also been shown to be equally if not more wrong on this issue. The other two I'm not familiar with but an astrophysicist is not a climatologist but they should at least know that a slowly cooling sun does not rapidly heat the planet

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I'm surprised his Make America Great Again comment hasn't come up... Or maybe I missed it...

The Line keeps up their great work.


It’s important to look at the context of who he was talking to, where, and when. PM Carney’s working the info space as we head towards CUSMA renegotiations. He knows he has limited ability to directly shape the thinking of Trump and his administration. He can, however, walk into any room full of big business types and have a lot of immediate credibility. He’s making a case to re-liberalize Canada-U.S. trade to a synpathetic audience, and doing so in a way that his advocacy can be complementary to Trump’s stated economic goals rather than aligning against them. Give America’s business community the language to verbally judo this when they make their pitch to their political leadership about why further obstructing bilateral trade is bad for business.

In the context of the larger speech, PM Carney is clearly pushing for a more independent and assertive Canada, and he’s pitching the usefulness is as a very reliable supplier of key inputs. The Hormuz debacle has, I think, really driven home the usefulness of geopolitically stable supply chains. He’s also going to bat for manufacturing like the auto sector, and reinforcing there how much better North American integration has been for the industry

When he said “Canada strong will help make America great again”, I’m sure he was very live to the social media furor it would cause. But it was wording chosen for a specific audience and for a specific diplomatic effect. Economically Judoing Trump requires some ego stroking.

Just as Canada stands to strategically benefit from expanding our trading partnerships outside of the U.S., we absolutely still stand to benefit by repairing some of the rupture Trump created. Nothing wrong with our PM working both angles at once as hedges against each other.
 
It’s important to look at the context of who he was talking to, where, and when.
Or we can call it a spin. That being said, I prefer pragmatic Carney vs work up the Liberal boomer base Carney. Better for us long game

He knows he has limited ability to directly shape the thinking of Trump and his administration
Trump pissed off many when he shot his mouth off but the Liberals with Carney did not hesitate to stoke that fire big time, so they could win an election, and when he slips in the polls, piss on Trump and get the Liberal boomer base worked up. This is politics in the modern INTERNET age, not a smart move.

He’s making a case to re-liberalize Canada-U.S. trade to a synpathetic audience, and doing so in a way that his advocacy can be complementary to Trump’s stated economic goals rather than aligning against them.
The elbows up crowd (elbozos) are putting you on a wanted dead or alive poster with talk like that. My point being here, is the Liberal propaganda machine deliberately spun up their base against Trump and America.

PM Carney is clearly pushing for a more independent and assertive Canada
Good idea, piss off with carbon capture and "net zero garbage and get these pipelines in all directions built yesterday.

When he said “Canada strong will help make America great again”, I’
NO matter how you say this, I guarantee he pissed off many of his Liberal base.

The Hormuz debacle has, I think, really driven home the usefulness of geopolitically stable supply chains.
Agreed to a point, lets quite dicking around, and make Canada the oil and gas super power. Lot fewer drones and cruise missiles flying around Alberta-BC-USA, etc.

Just as Canada stands to strategically benefit from expanding our trading partnerships outside of the U.S., we absolutely still stand to benefit by repairing some of the rupture Trump created.
I have heard way too many reputable economist state we need the USA and no matter how many deals we sign or pinky swears (MoUs), we can not undo decades of dependence on the US of A. We need them more than they need us. Now that being said, they are still very energy dependent on us.

Bottom line, Yeah Carney played election politics to crap all over Trump but its going to be costly crawling to him looking for a deal. The Liberals rarely play the long game.
 
Or we can call it a spin. That being said, I prefer pragmatic Carney vs work up the Liberal boomer base Carney. Better for us long game


Trump pissed off many when he shot his mouth off but the Liberals with Carney did not hesitate to stoke that fire big time, so they could win an election, and when he slips in the polls, piss on Trump and get the Liberal boomer base worked up. This is politics in the modern INTERNET age, not a smart move.


The elbows up crowd (elbozos) are putting you on a wanted dead or alive poster with talk like that. My point being here, is the Liberal propaganda machine deliberately spun up their base against Trump and America.


Good idea, piss off with carbon capture and "net zero garbage and get these pipelines in all directions built yesterday.


NO matter how you say this, I guarantee he pissed off many of his Liberal base.


Agreed to a point, lets quite dicking around, and make Canada the oil and gas super power. Lot fewer drones and cruise missiles flying around Alberta-BC-USA, etc.


I have heard way too many reputable economist state we need the USA and no matter how many deals we sign or pinky swears (MoUs), we can not undo decades of dependence on the US of A. We need them more than they need us. Now that being said, they are still very energy dependent on us.

Bottom line, Yeah Carney played election politics to crap all over Trump but its going to be costly crawling to him looking for a deal. The Liberals rarely play the long game.
whats the point of a deal with a person that reneges on the already existing one?
 
Both sides have CUSMA violation, according to the USA, we violated it first (and that was Biden's administration that complained).
did we? Isnt there a mechanism for that?
Either way i dont think thats a direct comparable to the behaviour of the current US administration of which there are many examples
 
Or we can call it a spin. That being said, I prefer pragmatic Carney vs work up the Liberal boomer base Carney. Better for us long game


Trump pissed off many when he shot his mouth off but the Liberals with Carney did not hesitate to stoke that fire big time, so they could win an election, and when he slips in the polls, piss on Trump and get the Liberal boomer base worked up. This is politics in the modern INTERNET age, not a smart move.


The elbows up crowd (elbozos) are putting you on a wanted dead or alive poster with talk like that. My point being here, is the Liberal propaganda machine deliberately spun up their base against Trump and America.


Good idea, piss off with carbon capture and "net zero garbage and get these pipelines in all directions built yesterday.


NO matter how you say this, I guarantee he pissed off many of his Liberal base.


Agreed to a point, lets quite dicking around, and make Canada the oil and gas super power. Lot fewer drones and cruise missiles flying around Alberta-BC-USA, etc.


I have heard way too many reputable economist state we need the USA and no matter how many deals we sign or pinky swears (MoUs), we can not undo decades of dependence on the US of A. We need them more than they need us. Now that being said, they are still very energy dependent on us.

Bottom line, Yeah Carney played election politics to crap all over Trump but its going to be costly crawling to him looking for a deal. The Liberals rarely play the long game.
My friend which western country actually know how to ‘play the long game’?

As time goes on Carney is putting all the right pieces into place. Might be too slow for some, might be too fast for others. But the football is moving down the field, in the right direction.
 
My friend which western country actually know how to ‘play the long game’?

As time goes on Carney is putting all the right pieces into place. Might be too slow for some, might be too fast for others. But the football is moving down the field, in the right direction.

I think you and I have different ideas of the right direction... But hey if this is the right way for you, hell, lets see where this goes. Its not like we have choice anyway... Miller High Life ? 🍻

 
did we? Isnt there a mechanism for that?
Either way i dont think thats a direct comparable to the behaviour of the current US administration of which there are many examples
Lets get to what is not how we wish it was.

Carney is quite correct to start being diplomatic to Trump. They are much stronger military, economically and frankly the world respects them more than us (respect is different than like, we may be the nice guys but the respect is held for USA, like it or not).

Maybe start adjusting your expectations of the world?
 
As time goes on Carney is putting all the right pieces into place.
As Carney does many things I like, he erodes a notable portion of his "big tent" Liberal support.

He probably knew the real world back when he campaigned or maybe not.
 
Die hard Liberal supporters/defenders, it is ok to acknowledge Carney and/or the Liberals make mistakes, errors or have been dishonest.
 
Lets get to what is not how we wish it was.

Carney is quite correct to start being diplomatic to Trump. They are much stronger military, economically and frankly the world respects them more than us (respect is different than like, we may be the nice guys but the respect is held for USA, like it or not).

Maybe start adjusting your expectations of the world?
what expectations?
 
Isn't that the guy who got court martialed and kicked out of the CAF as an officer cadet at CMR?
And thats relevant to to his notable role in our food growth/economy how?

Smear the messenger? Yeah that is one of many things that gives the Liberals a bad name.
 
And thats relevant to to his notable role in our food growth/economy how?

Smear the messenger? Yeah that is one of many things that gives the Liberals a bad name.
hes a commentator, i dont know if that means he has a notable role or not
 
Since PM MC says Canada Strong = Make America Great Again? Or is PM MC "bad" because he is pro MAGA?

Can you imagine if that was Poilievre saying Make America Great Again? Tourniquets on necks everywhere from all the lost heads.

Guess we gotta call Carney Maple MAGA now.
 
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