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Canada seeks to buy Long Range Precision Rockets (probably US MLRS or HIMARS)
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KevinB
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11.5” barrel and suppressor makes the bayonet a dinosaur tool... because you can't stab me with your non-existent bayonet
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Until it's not11.5” barrel and suppressor makes the bayonet a dinosaur tool
Bayonet charge foils enemy ambush
A soldier who led a bayonet charge over 80 metres of open ground through enemy fire has been awarded the Military Cross.
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Bayonet charge foils enemy ambush
A soldier who led a bayonet charge over 80 metres of open ground through enemy fire has been awarded the Military Cross.www.gov.uk
The bayonet might also be just dangerous enough to encourage you to pursue a career in the clergy...
Clive Dytor
The Marines dove for cover as bullets and tracers ripped through the night sky. Lieutenant Clive Dytor, commanding 8 Troop, Zulu Company, 42 Royal Marine Commando, ordered the men of his section to return fire immediately. The 25 year-old Welshman was in a pretty tough spot – he had just a dozen or so guys with him, and he was facing a couple hundred Argentinians with heavy weapons plastering his guys from an elevated position with Browning .50-caliber machine guns that ripped up the rock and ice around them like it was going through a food processor. His cover was good, but his two sections were also split up – they’d dove different ways for cover, and now there was a big gap between the first and second sections. Worse yet, mortars were starting to zero in on his guys.
Dytor and his men were pinned down for some time, and casualties quickly began to mount. His ammo was getting low, three Marines were dead, and one more had his leg blown off by a mortar. When another mortar slams nearby, wounding yet another of Dytor’s guys with flaming chunks of shrapnel, the Welshman remembered an old story from World War II – during the battle for Tobruk, the men of the Scottish Black Watch found themselves in a similar situation, pinned down by Germans in an elevated position with MG42s. The adjutant of the Watch, a big Scotsman with huge titanium balls, stood up in full view of everyone, screamed “Isn’t this the Black Watch?! THEN CHARGE!!!!!” That adjutant immediately got ripped in half by a Nazi machine gun, but his boys ran ahead and carried the day with their bayonets.
This gave Clive Dytor a weird idea.
Standing up in full view of his men – and the Argies – Lieutenant Clive Dytor, Royal Marine Commando, ordered his men to fix bayonets and follow him. Screaming his unit battle cry, “ZULU!!!!!” he locked a fucking bayonet on the end of his FAL L1A1 service rifle and started running full fucking speed uphill towards the enemy firing his gun from the hip Schwarzenegger-style. As he ran ahead, oblivious to a hail of .50-caliber machine gun bullets whizzing around him in every direction, he managed to make out a very British scream of confidence from one of his hardened sergeants:
“Get your fucking head down, you stupid bastard!”
But Clive Dytor did not get his head down. He ran like a bat out of hell, firing indiscriminately into the darkness, bayonet at the ready, straight towards the machine gun nest. When he reached it, he dove in, gun at the ready, bayonetting, swinging, and shooting.
It was only at this point that he realized his men were right there with him.
"That got the whole thing going. My two front sections picked it up and came on through with me, and we swept up.
We took the position. We should have been cut to pieces - we were full frontal, straight on to heavy machine gun.
But we just kept on pushing through."
The Royal Marine Commandos, attacking an almost impossible situation, ran from trench to trench, fighting with tooth and nail, using everything from grenades and rifles to claw their way through enemy positions. Sniper nests were taken out with goddamn bazookas. Trenches were carried in hand-to-hand combat. The Argentinians fought heroically – particularly a conscript named Oscar Poltronieri who volunteered to man a gun and single-handedly held back an entire detachment of Commandos to buy the rest of his comrades time to withdraw and fired his fifty cal until he was killed at his post – but by sunrise the fight was over. The survivors surrendered, and the Marines were in control of the ridge. Port Stanley surrended the next day, and the war was over. The Royal Marines had suffered four men dead, ten wounded, but taken over two hundred prisoners.
Clive Dytor received the Military Cross for his actions at the Battle of Two Sisters. After the war, he’d return home and become a priest. He’s been the headmaster of the Oratory School in Oxford for the past twelve years.
Clive Dytor — Badass of the Week
Ben Thompson is the author of twelve books on various historical subjects, including the Badass, Guts & Glory, and Epic Fails series.
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Fabius
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I wonder if the CA is planning to configure the HIMARS such that they can receive targeting data directly by tactical data link from any of the other joint platforms such as the P8s, River Class, Sky Guardian, Global Eye etc.
Those TDL links will be key for employing the PrSM especially in a ASuW role.
None of the FMS case signals gear listed enables those TDLs although we could be procuring and installing separately.
Those TDL links will be key for employing the PrSM especially in a ASuW role.
None of the FMS case signals gear listed enables those TDLs although we could be procuring and installing separately.
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We have means to get data links to and from AC. Plus some new stuff on the way.
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Will they be RFC 1149 compliant?
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The Joint Fires Modernization project is designed to mate a wide variety of current and future ISTAR sensors with a wide variety of current and future effectors. I can't speak for "direct" links as I expect there will be a middle C2 and targetting layer.
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Hopefully we get to a system where we are linked across the joint force with all sensors feeding into the system and tgts being able to be forwarded and accepted.
DACAS is a step in the right direction but only one aspect.
The Joint Fires Modernization project is designed to mate a wide variety of current and future ISTAR sensors with a wide variety of current and future effectors. I can't speak for "direct" links as I expect there will be a middle C2 and targetting layer.
Hopefully the CA hyper accelerates this program as every year it waits it’s farther behind I think.
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Testify!
The last slide I have is from 2023 which predicted contract award in 2025 and implementation from 2025 - 2029. So yeah. Slippage.
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We can resolve this with building a pointy suppressor, that both pokes people and suppresses. Brought to you by the country that invented the "Shield Shovel"None of bayonets, suppressors or priests have anything to do with LRPRS.
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The Aussies and the Japanese seem to be working the same problem
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I have every little doubt that we could develop an ad hoc procedure by which Cdn aircraft could transmit firing data to a Cdn HIMARS launcher.
OTOH the development of a doctrine that would permit the functioning of such a link is probably much more difficult to develop and implement. It could, for example in a simplistic way in the West, require to:
- form a hybrid HIMARS battery/troop and ammunition storage on Vancouver Island with prepositioned launch sites;
- define the trigger points and actions to rapidly mobilize the personnel and equipment to deploy to those positions with live weapons;
- create a persistent C2 link between CJOC, JTF Pacific, NORAD and USNORTHCOM;
- agree to and define a weapons' release procedure that transfers firing authority from GiC to CJOC (and possibly USNORTHCOM or NORAD) to JTF Pacific; and finally;
- the creation of the technical data links between JTF Pacific, the related ISR resources active in the region and the deployed HIMARS launchers with the appropriate release authority interface.
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US National Guard
Long range deployment of HIMARS by C130 from MIchigan to California (3200 km) and extraction to home base.
HIMARS manned by the Michigan National Guard. Airlift by the Rhode Island Air National Guard.
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Long range deployment of HIMARS by C130 from MIchigan to California (3200 km) and extraction to home base.
HIMARS manned by the Michigan National Guard. Airlift by the Rhode Island Air National Guard.
U.S. Guard soldiers flew HIMARS cross-country and simulated deep strikes
Michigan National Guard soldiers loaded a HIMARS rocket artillery launcher onto a C-130J transport aircraft in Michigan and flew it more than 3,200 km (2,000 miles) to the California desert, where they executed simulated precision strikes before extracting, completing a
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US National Guard
Long range deployment of HIMARS by C130 from MIchigan to California (3200 km) and extraction to home base.
HIMARS manned by the Michigan National Guard. Airlift by the Rhode Island Air National Guard.
U.S. Guard soldiers flew HIMARS cross-country and simulated deep strikes
Michigan National Guard soldiers loaded a HIMARS rocket artillery launcher onto a C-130J transport aircraft in Michigan and flew it more than 3,200 km (2,000 miles) to the California desert, where they executed simulated precision strikes before extracting, completing a
The concept of using National Guard troops in training for HIRAIN missions is not new and is a viable concept for the C-130, the C-17 and even with the A400 (in that case with an active force battery from Germany to Lativia.)
Wyoming National Guard makes history
Members of the 2nd Battalion, 300th Field Artillery of the Wyoming Army National Guard made history by conducting the first live fire HIMARS Rapid Infiltration (HIRAIN) at Dugway Proving Grounds in Dugway, Utah.www.wyomilitary.wyo.gov
As can be expected from me, it again raises the question of why the Canadian army's plans for HIMARS fielding as being the formation of a new RegF regiment with some ARes augmentation rather than simply converting one or more ARes regiments to being predominantly ARes hybrid regiments. The US Army has ~12 rocket battalions in the active army and a total of ~14 rocket battalions in the the ARNG and USAR.
There is a clear recognition within the US Army that while some active, day-to-day capability is needed for rocket forces, there is also a significant annual cost saving in having large numbers of their battalions on part time reserve status. Canada's force structure for Latvia could easily be met with one or more predominantly ARes regiments - even more so if they are envisioned for a Homeland A2AD role.
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The concept of using National Guard troops in training for HIRAIN missions is not new and is a viable concept for the C-130, the C-17 and even with the A400 (in that case with an active force battery from Germany to Lativia.)
As can be expected from me, it again raises the question of why the Canadian army's plans for HIMARS fielding as being the formation of a new RegF regiment with some ARes augmentation rather than simply converting one or more ARes regiments to being predominantly ARes hybrid regiments. The US Army has ~12 rocket battalions in the active army and a total of ~14 rocket battalions in the the ARNG and USAR.
There is a clear recognition within the US Army that while some active, day-to-day capability is needed for rocket forces, there is also a significant annual cost saving in having large numbers of their battalions on part time reserve status. Canada's force structure for Latvia could easily be met with one or more predominantly ARes regiments - even more so if they are envisioned for a Homeland A2AD role.
An ARES brigade of an LRPS regiment, a couple of MRAD/THAAD regiments and an IEW regiment, I have to think would be welcomed in any theater. Keep two or more similar brigades at home.
