CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Altair]

If the German and Japanese populations can change to the point of becoming allies of ours, I dont think your dire prediction for the USA is the sole path for the future.

As much as you accuse me of biases in the following quote, I think you need to recognize your own.

I think that our view on the Germans and Japanese would be drastically different if the factions that drove the world into conflict kept coming back every 4 years.

I'm sorry I don't puppet your blessed gospel from on high on all that is Canada US relations.

Okay, I'm open minded.

I'll ask you plainly.

Does MAGA outlive the Trump presidency?

I do love Americans. I have worked with a great many in theatres and domestically. I have American friends. I happily travel to the US for any number of events and activities. And I find them gracious, friendly, helpful; and generally ignorant of what's going on outside their own borders.

I've met many kind Iranians. I've met a many Russians pre 2022 that I would happily share a beer with.

Doesnt mean I love their countries or their governments.

And I know, people will say, how can I compare Iranians or Russians with Americans? Well, humans are humans and most humans are decent hardworking people.

Ive been treated better by Americans for being in the CAF than I ever have from fellow Canadians.

Cool.

Why is Canadian patriotism a binary choice ? Why is it love Canada and hate America ? Why cant I love both ?

I would be far more willing to buy this from you if I ever heard you say anything about loving anything to do with Canada.

What I have heard is a litany of gripes about Canada, while espousing how superior you believe America is.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think that our view on the Germans and Japanese would be drastically different if the factions that drove the world into conflict kept coming back every 4 years.

I mean Germans and Japanese did horrible things to millions of people but we moved on. I think we can move on from the 51st state suggestion.

Okay, I'm open minded.

I'll ask you plainly.

Does MAGA outlive the Trump presidency?

No idea. How do you expect me answer that ? From what I gather MAGA has a faction that's pretty upset with Trump right now.

I think Trump and the Republicans are about to get smashed in the mid terms, and I expect the Republicans will lose the next election.

What cultural groupings continue, I have no idea.

I've met many kind Iranians. I've met a many Russians pre 2022 that I would happily share a beer with.

Doesnt mean I love their countries or their governments.

And I know, people will say, how can I compare Iranians or Russians with Americans? Well, humans are humans and most humans are decent hardworking people.

Sure.

I would be far more willing to buy this from you if I ever heard you say anything about loving anything to do with Canada.

What I have heard is a litany of gripes about Canada, while espousing how superior you believe America is.

I know you like to hide your service and that's your prerogative. But I don't hide mine. What I have done for this country is out there for all to see. I've never cleared a trench or blown up a bunker. But I have gone to bed at night with the blood of a 23 dead year old NWO leaking out the eyelets of my sea boots, . My love for Canada is in my actions and my service.

Don't confuse my gripes and complaints as dislike. Canada has so much potential and I want us to get there. I love my daughter, but I also provide advice and correction when require. Her room is mess right now, so I tell her that and expect it clean up when I get home today. People may not realize it but that's love. If i didn't love I would allow her live in squaller.

 

[PuckChaser]

And we're locking this up for a bit so everyone can just cool down and I don't have to apply a warning. This conversation is getting so far away from the discussion at hand and more targeting someone personally which is completely offside.

- Milnet.ca Staff

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Unlocked.
On topic, and with some decorum please.
Bruce

 

[HavokFour]

No deal, a fight it is.

PM Carney says Canada intends to match U.S. tariffs ‘dollar for dollar,’ after suspending trade negotiations. Live updates here.

A new round of punishing U.S. tariffs on Canada went into effect early Saturday morning, as Prime Minister Mark Carney suspended trade negotiations minutes before the deadline.

www.ctvnews.ca

[CBC]Trump administration says Canada has declined a deal

U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer has issued a statement saying there is no trade deal with Canada.

"Tonight, Canada declined to finalize the trade deal under the terms agreed earlier this week, despite the U.S. offer to Canada to receive the best treatment of any major exporter to our market. New demands and walk backs of other commitments by Canada have upended the careful balance reached in the past days," Greer said in a statement just after 11:30 p.m. ET.

"In addition, Canada is continuing to maintain its prolonged retaliation against the United States, including, among other things, flat out prohibitions on certain American goods and services."

Tariffs will go into effect "as planned" at 12:01 a.m. ET, a senior administration official said.

 

[Altair]

No deal, a fight it is.

PM Carney says Canada intends to match U.S. tariffs ‘dollar for dollar,’ after suspending trade negotiations. Live updates here.

A new round of punishing U.S. tariffs on Canada went into effect early Saturday morning, as Prime Minister Mark Carney suspended trade negotiations minutes before the deadline.

www.ctvnews.ca

[CBC]Trump administration says Canada has declined a deal

Let's do this.

 

[Czech_pivo]

No deal, a fight it is.

PM Carney says Canada intends to match U.S. tariffs ‘dollar for dollar,’ after suspending trade negotiations. Live updates here.

A new round of punishing U.S. tariffs on Canada went into effect early Saturday morning, as Prime Minister Mark Carney suspended trade negotiations minutes before the deadline.

www.ctvnews.ca

[CBC]Trump administration says Canada has declined a deal

May you live in interesting times.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Let's do this.

You’re a bit too eager for this. There is little reason to be rubbing your hands in glee about this.

 

[Altair]

You’re a bit too eager for this. There is little reason to be rubbing your hands in glee about this.

If the choice was this or be bent over a table, I pick this.

 

[Good2Golf]

Who knows…these may still be on the menu?


Counter-tariffs, dollar-for-dollar could include export tariffs on things that the U.S. “doesn't need.” Federal rebates to the exporter upon collection of the export tariffs by CBSA. Maybe even a smattering of Treasuries sell off…

 

[HavokFour]

Who knows…these may still be on the menu?
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Counter-tariffs, dollar-for-dollar could include export tariffs on things that the U.S. “doesn't need.” Federal rebates to the exporter upon collection of the export tariffs by CBSA. Maybe even a smattering of Treasuries sell off…

Well... he did extend the deadline conveniently up until the weekend, when trading stops.

 

[Cloud Cover]

A different take on the cause of the collapse from the American side:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/21/economy/us-canada-trade

“Despite the US offer to Canada to receive the best treatment of any major exporter to our market, new demands and walk-backs of other commitments by Canada have upended the careful balance reached in the past days,” US Trade Representative Jamieson Greer told reporters on a press call shortly before midnight, the Associated Press reported.

…

The tariffs that are now going into effect are relatively limited in scope, covering about $20 billion worth of goods imported from Canada — roughly 5% of the total value of goods imported to the US from its northern neighbor last year.

On their own, they are unlikely to meaningfully impact American consumers, who are already getting squeezed by higher gas prices. The greater issue is the trade war it is starting.”


So who to believe. Certainly not Team Carney. As inferentially pointed out by CNN, Canada isn’t relevant anymore to the US economy. Yes there’s a trade war, but they’ll replace Canada within months.

 

[Good2Golf]

“Down” to 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum inside a quota isn’t “best treatment of any major exporter to [the U.S.]…” That would have been 10 to 15% like Japan, UK, Europe…even the penguins were treated better.

 

[HavokFour]

For the record. It was the Americans blowing up the deal that was being discussed by trying to pull a last minute fast one... again.

Bring on the November midterms bloodbath.

However, that progress has not been enough to meet our objectives for Canadians. As a result, this evening, I have decided to suspend trade negotiations with the U.S. and have directed Canada’s negotiators to return to Ottawa. They have worked hard, in good faith, to defend the interests of Canadians throughout these negotiations up until the very last minute. However, last-minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms were unfair, uneconomic, and called into question the reliability of any deal.

Statement by Prime Minister Carney on Canada-U.S. trade negotiations

We have recognised from the beginning that America has changed, and that we will not return to our old relationship. Our government understood, before many, that America is altering all its trade relationships. Putting tariffs on its closest allies and charging for access to its vast market.

www.pm.gc.ca

 

[Altair]

A different take on the cause of the collapse from the American side:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/21/economy/us-canada-trade

“Despite the US offer to Canada to receive the best treatment of any major exporter to our market, new demands and walk-backs of other commitments by Canada have upended the careful balance reached in the past days,” US Trade Representative Jamieson Greer told reporters on a press call shortly before midnight, the Associated Press reported.

…

The tariffs that are now going into effect are relatively limited in scope, covering about $20 billion worth of goods imported from Canada — roughly 5% of the total value of goods imported to the US from its northern neighbor last year.

On their own, they are unlikely to meaningfully impact American consumers, who are already getting squeezed by higher gas prices. The greater issue is the trade war it is starting.”


So who to believe. Certainly not Team Carney. As inferentially pointed out by CNN, Canada isn’t relevant anymore to the US economy. Yes there’s a trade war, but they’ll replace Canada within months.

If we were irrelevant they wouldn't be crying about the lack of imports

 

[Cloud Cover]

For the record. It was the Americans blowing up the deal that was being discussed by trying to pull a last minute fast one... again.

Bring on the November bloodbath.

Statement by Prime Minister Carney on Canada-U.S. trade negotiations

We have recognised from the beginning that America has changed, and that we will not return to our old relationship. Our government understood, before many, that America is altering all its trade relationships. Putting tariffs on its closest allies and charging for access to its vast market.

www.pm.gc.ca

Both sides are claiming last minute changes by the other side. Carney has too much to gain by blowing this up. Trump on the other hand thrives in chaos and bullying. Both are completely narcissistic liars. I don’t blame Team Carney for walking, but I don’t blame Team Trump for not really trying with us. Both sides are about as useful as a sun tan lotion in a snow storm.

 

[Cloud Cover]

If we were irrelevant they wouldn't be crying about the lack of imports

They need to cry about something. It’s almost as if they are Liberals.

 

[Altair]

They need to cry about something. It’s almost as if they are Liberals.

Really?

 

[Genetk44]

A different take on the cause of the collapse from the American side:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/21/economy/us-canada-trade

“Despite the US offer to Canada to receive the best treatment of any major exporter to our market, new demands and walk-backs of other commitments by Canada have upended the careful balance reached in the past days,” US Trade Representative Jamieson Greer told reporters on a press call shortly before midnight, the Associated Press reported.

…

The tariffs that are now going into effect are relatively limited in scope, covering about $20 billion worth of goods imported from Canada — roughly 5% of the total value of goods imported to the US from its northern neighbor last year.

On their own, they are unlikely to meaningfully impact American consumers, who are already getting squeezed by higher gas prices. The greater issue is the trade war it is starting.”


So who to believe. Certainly not Team Carney. As inferentially pointed out by CNN, Canada isn’t relevant anymore to the US economy. Yes there’s a trade war, but they’ll replace Canada within months.

Team Carney are far more believable than Team Trump.

 

[HavokFour]

I have a feeling Lutnick took the auto tariff relief off the table last second. He's been vocal about wanting to destroy that industry here in Canada entirely, he was also the one who it was reported yesterday that wasn't happy with the deal that was being worked on.

PM Carney says Canada intends to match U.S. tariffs ‘dollar for dollar,’ after suspending trade negotiations

A new round of punishing U.S. tariffs on Canada went into effect early Saturday morning, as Prime Minister Mark Carney suspended trade negotiations minutes before the deadline.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

“The U.S. offer was also forward-looking and included a historic economic and national security partnership to cooperate on export controls, combat transshipment, enhance digital trade, and align certain external tariffs,” Greer said in the statement.

Sounds like they were also trying to rope us into a kind of customs union with them. Perhaps even if it was just talk the mere thought of Canada being accepted into the EU or short of that, the EUCU (yes, non-EU members can join that) was starting to make people sweat a little.