CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[dapaterson]

We should consider beginning a carefully calculated sale of some of our U.S. treasuries holdings.

We in conjunction with other affected nations should consider beginning a carefully calculated sale of some of our US treasuries holdings.

 

[Good2Golf]

and guarantees of increased oil and gas exports.

Which the U.S. doesn’t need, of course.

 

[tomydoom]

Which the U.S. doesn’t need, of course.

Well they could always import what they need from the Persian Gulf, oh wait… Nevermind.

 

[Altair]

Key U.S. demands included:

• Lifting Alcohol Bans: Provinces must end retaliatory bans on U.S. liquor and wine, returning American products to store shelves.

Sure, fair enough, I suppose.

• Dairy Market Access: Canada must modify its supply management system to allow greater access for U.S. dairy producers, specifically regarding quota allocations.

Quotas only might seem fair, would need more details.

• Automotive Concessions: Canada must remove retaliatory tariffs on U.S. automobiles and accept tariff reductions that exempt only American-made content in vehicles, rather than all North American content.

Bull. Garbage.

• Security and Energy: The U.S. demanded preferential access to Canadian critical minerals, Canada’s purchase of F-35 fighter jets, participation in the U.S. “Golden Dome” missile defense system, and guarantees of increased oil and gas exports.

No, no, no and whatever.

• USMCA Overhaul: Future agreements must address a protectionist rewrite of the USMCA, including raising required North American content for autos from 75% to 82% and mandating 50% U.S. content in vehicles produced in Mexico and Canada.

Absolute trash.

Highlights are mine.

Thank you.

 

[MilEME09]

For the record. It was the Americans blowing up the deal that was being discussed by trying to pull a last minute fast one... again.

Bring on the November midterms bloodbath.

Statement by Prime Minister Carney on Canada-U.S. trade negotiations

We have recognised from the beginning that America has changed, and that we will not return to our old relationship. Our government understood, before many, that America is altering all its trade relationships. Putting tariffs on its closest allies and charging for access to its vast market.

www.pm.gc.ca

So basically they tried to change it last minute, and use the deadline and tariff threat to strong arm us into something? Our team then told the to essentially "get F**ked"? That about sum it up? They should release what the last minute change was, because if it was truly bad, most canadians will stand behind telling the US no.

 

[lenaitch]

So who to believe. Certainly not Team Carney. As inferentially pointed out by CNN, Canada isn’t relevant anymore to the US economy. Yes there’s a trade war, but they’ll replace Canada within months.

Fine. They can get their potash and aluminum from someplace else then.

I was never confident that any we we agreed to would stick anyway. He upended CUSMA, he would have upended whatever this was going to be.

If their 'Security and Energy' demands are accurate, how can anyone on our side say that was something we should agree to?

 

[brihard]

Let’s not forget that Trump’s section 338 tariffs face legal challenge the same as all his other ones. He already exhausted attempts to use the easier and less legally unsound approaches. It will take time for this to work through the U.S. Court of International Trade, but it will.

Remember again that CUSMA still stands and protects most of our bilateral trade, and that this was an attempt by the U.S. to strong arm us into legitimizing what are probably illegal tariffs in the first place. We watched the rest of the world sign on to bad trade deals and then get knifed in the back as soon as Trump had a bad night’s sleep or the right person whispered in his ear. Some short term pain is likely necessary for us to endure to fend off coercion.

73 days til the midterms.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Are the alcohol bans staying in place ?

I miss good bourbon...

 

[Altair]

Are the alcohol bans staying in place ?

I miss good bourbon...

They are.

Good riddance.

I'm sorry about your bourbon, but the country requires your sacrifice.

 

[Halifax Tar]

From my Premier

Tim Houston

Canada’s negotiating team tried to secure a deal for Canadians, which I’ve forcefully and vocally supported. I continue to stand ready to support and work with the Prime Minister. We will work...

www.facebook.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

We in conjunction with other affected nations should consider beginning a carefully calculated sale of some of our US treasuries holdings.

The ripple effect would bring down all the world’s stock markets. Not what you really want to do.

 

[Czech_pivo]

So basically they tried to change it last minute, and use the deadline and tariff threat to strong arm us into something? Our team then told the to essentially "get F**ked"? That about sum it up? They should release what the last minute change was, because if it was truly bad, most canadians will stand behind telling the US no.

We don’t want to poison the well.

 

[Altair]

The ripple effect would bring down all the world’s stock markets. Not what you really want to do.

It's not about the money.

It's about sending a message

 

[Czech_pivo]

It's not about the money.

It's about sending a message

Ok, whatever

 

[FSTO]

Are the alcohol bans staying in place ?

I miss good bourbon...

I have no sense of taste, so I'll drink whatever rotgut is put in front of me.

That being said, bring it back and see how many folks actually come out a buy it. If it ain't selling the stores wont stock it.

 

[Good2Golf]

Are the alcohol bans staying in place ?

I miss good bourbon...

Distilled in Ontario and aged in BC, 100% corn whisky…my homemade Old Fashioned is fantastic with it! Supporting two of the hardest hit provinces.

 

[ArmyRick]

I have no sense of taste, so I'll drink whatever rotgut is put in front of me.

That being said, bring it back and see how many folks actually come out a buy it. If it ain't selling the stores wont stock it.

Apparently its California wine and Bourbon (from Kentucky) were the big ones we put on our shelves.
American beer was never really a big seller up here.

The big one to watch out for here is Canadian hard liquors (Such as Forty Creek Rye and Canadian Club Whiskey), are 70% export product, the majority of it going to the USA.

All fine, to be "elbows up" and stand by your principles, but principles won't feed your family, pay your ever rising electrical bills, pay your mortgage or rent, etc.

Now, this will piss some of you off. Why does PM MC have roughly 90% of personal assets invested in American companies? It has been asked again and again. How "elbows up" is he really?

I spoke to my friend Dan, who is a third generation dairy farmer here in Ontario (he is 41 and considered a baby in the dairy farming circles). There are many in dairy who do want to see a gradual phase out of dairy quota system. It has not over the long term saved dairy farms. In Ontario, we have lost the vast majority of them in the last 50 years. My uncle gave up his quota in 2005 and refused to let his sons take it over. My grandfather (as I stated previously) was one of the lobbyist to help implement the system and before he died in 2012 (at the ripe young age at 99), he stated he was very disappointed by what the dad system had become.

Australia and New Zealand phased out their supply management systems for dairy. Older farmers got out and retired with their skin in tact. Younger more ambitious dairy farmers who put in the work and sought out new markets, grew their farms.

WTF are we holding onto with supply management?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Ok, whatever

You and I are probably more closely aligned than either of us thinks.

 

[FSTO]

Apparently its California wine and Bourbon (from Kentucky) were the big ones we put on our shelves.
American beer was never really a big seller up here.

The big one to watch out for here is Canadian hard liquors (Such as Forty Creek Rye and Canadian Club Whiskey), are 70% export product, the majority of it going to the USA.

All fine, to be "elbows up" and stand by your principles, but principles won't feed your family, pay your ever rising electrical bills, pay your mortgage or rent, etc.

Now, this will piss some of you off. Why does PM MC have roughly 90% of personal assets invested in American companies? It has been asked again and again. How "elbows up" is he really?

I spoke to my friend Dan, who is a third generation dairy farmer here in Ontario (he is 41 and considered a baby in the dairy farming circles). There are many in dairy who do want to see a gradual phase out of dairy quota system. It has not over the long term saved dairy farms. In Ontario, we have lost the vast majority of them in the last 50 years. My uncle gave up his quota in 2005 and refused to let his sons take it over. My grandfather (as I stated previously) was one of the lobbyist to help implement the system and before he died in 2012 (at the ripe young age at 99), he stated he was very disappointed by what the dad system had become.

Australia and New Zealand phased out their supply management systems for dairy. Older farmers got out and retired with their skin in tact. Younger more ambitious dairy farmers who put in the work and sought out new markets, grew their farms.

WTF are we holding onto with supply management?

As farm kid from SW MB, I witnessed first hand the exodus from the farms of Canada. When I started kindergarten in 1966, I had just missed going to the one room school house that was a mile up the road. The schools were being consolidated into the larger towns so I climbed into a big long bus packed with kids from 5 years old to 18. I recall one school district building a more modern school for it area, my dad was dead set against it because he could see it wasn't sustainable.

Back then you could raise a family on a 160 acres, but just barely and the writing was on the wall regarding the future of that quarter section. My dad was considered a large farmer at the time as had a section and a half of land plus about 100 head of cattle but he could see that shortly he and my brother were going to have to purchase more land to survive. Also many of our neighbours were making the same choice, get bigger or get out. Most of them decided to get out and by the time I graduated from high school that bus was a lot smaller and it was carrying only 6 or 7 kids.

Another thing, before the Marketing Boards came in, we had 4 milk cows, raised some pigs for slaughter, and had laying hens. There was creamery in town and the co-op took all of the extra eggs that mom had. Everything was homemade.
With the establishment of the marketing boards in 1971, the creamery was soon gone and we got rid of the milk cows and hens.

The boards were designed to save the small milk farms, same as the Wheat Board was designed for the quarter section farm. But times changed and the Wheat Board went away and I believe that likely the Marketing Board should as well. Dairy farms will get bigger as scale seems to be the only thing that matters now.
But I'm not confident that ridding us of the Marketing Boards will make milk, cheese and butter any cheaper. I have yet to see ANYTHING get cheaper.

Oh and the US Secretary of Agriculture saying that the decline of Wisconsin Dairy farms are due to Canada? She can go fuck herself , because as I described above, modern agriculture caused the exodus from rural North America, it damn sure wasn't the Canadian Milk Marketing Board!

 

[suffolkowner]

indeed
chronic, habitual liar says what now?