Self Defence in Canada (split from Gun Control 2.0)

[dapaterson]

Not arguing that a taser is less lethal. But a taser is a use of force with potential to be lethal, and needs to be viewed as such in any evaluation of options.

 

[brihard]

Not arguing that a taser is less lethal. But a taser is a use of force with potential to be lethal, and needs to be viewed as such in any evaluation of options.

Yes, I promise we know that. Any use of force has the potential to be lethal, obviously different uses of force have different likelihood of that. Reasonableness doesn’t compel us to hang back afraid of fringe outliers.

A halligan to the head has a significantly greater change of being lethal. Someone coming at me with a halligan (or baton, or bat, or other like object) will have a very short time and small amount of space to reconsider their choice or they’re at great risk of being shot.

Super annoying that autocorrect keeps changing ‘halligan’ to ‘gallivanting’. Not now, autocorrect.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Not arguing that a taser is less lethal. But a taser is a use of force with potential to be lethal, and needs to be viewed as such in any evaluation of options.

Stupid post.....folks have died tripping over a curb, everything in your life has the potential to be lethal.

"HEY, I said look at me!!"" (steps in front of truck)

We used the term "unintended consequences " when what shouldn't have happened, happened.

 

[dapaterson]

Stupid post.....folks have died tripping over a curb, everything in your life has the potential to be lethal.

"HEY, I said look at me!!"" (steps in front of truck)

We used the term "unintended consequences " when what shouldn't have happened, happened.

Tripping is an accident.

Pointing a weapon at someone and pulling the trigger is not an accident.

Taser is sold as non-lethal, but it is not.

 

[brihard]

Tripping is an accident.

Pointing a weapon at someone and pulling the trigger is not an accident.

Taser is sold as non-lethal, but it is not.

Who’s selling Taser as non-lethal? The manufacturer has used the appropriate term “less-lethal” for many years.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Disagreed. I’ve been tasered. If it gets you right, you’re down for five seconds (or longer if the trigger remains held), but you aren’t unconscious and once the arc stops you can immediately move and fight. You can see the frame where he gets the halligan in the dome and his head rotates. Pretty sure he was lights out while still on his feet.

I stand corrected; took a second look and you are correct, it was the firefighter who took him down, not the taser which I don't even think was fired.

As an aside, that cop was utter junk. The firefighter should never have been left hung out to dry to be in that position.

Agreed.

 

[brihard]

I stand corrected; took a second look and you are correct, it was the firefighter who took him down, not the taser which I don't even think was fired.

Oh that was the other thing- a taser cycling is a really distinct sound. I didn’t hear it.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Disagreed. I’ve been tasered. If it gets you right, you’re down for five seconds (or longer if the trigger remains held), but you aren’t unconscious and once the arc stops you can immediately move and fight. You can see the frame where he gets the halligan in the dome and his head rotates. Pretty sure he was lights out while still on his feet.

As an aside, that cop was utter junk. The firefighter should never have been left hung out to dry to be in that position.

Anyone whose watched Police vs Fire Dept Charity Ice Hockey games knows you should probably never pick a fight with the fire dept

 

[dapaterson]

Anyone whose watched Police vs Fire Dept Charity Ice Hockey games knows you should probably never pick a fight with the fire dept

The S. B. Howes' Star Troupe Menagerie & Circus clowns learned that lesson in 1855.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Tripping is an accident.

Pointing a weapon at someone and pulling the trigger is not an accident.

Taser is sold as non-lethal, but it is not.

So if I come up behind you and trip you up into live traffic we get to call that an "accident"?
Good to know....

 

[Nvlgzr]

So if I come up behind you and trip you up into live traffic we get to call that an "accident"?
Good to know....

When you trip yourself, that’s an accident. When you trip someone else then that’s assault.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

When you trip yourself, that’s an accident. When you trip someone else then that’s assault.

Im aware, it was all part of my response to the absurdity of saying that a laser is sold as non-lethal.
It is not, and neither are ASP's, pepper balls/spray, mace, shields,....all have the ability to cause lethal "unintended consequences".

 

[medicineman]

Stupid post.....folks have died tripping over a curb, everything in your life has the potential to be lethal.

"HEY, I said look at me!!"" (steps in front of truck)

We used the term "unintended consequences " when what shouldn't have happened, happened.

Im aware, it was all part of my response to the absurdity of saying that a laser is sold as non-lethal.
It is not, and neither are ASP's, pepper balls/spray, mace, shields,....all have the ability to cause lethal "unintended consequences".

I have a different term for those - I call them "foreseeable circumstances"

 

[Haggis]

I would rather be tasered than OC sprayed again, or punched in the head, or hit with a blunt weapons.

I've been tasered, OC sprayed and tear gassed. Despite that tear gas has little effect on me (and none on my son, a former CAF member) I'd rather "ride the lightning" for 5 seconds than deal with 20 - 30 minutes of OC or CS pain.

That being said, OC is not Kung-fu-in-a-can, and tasers have limitations as well.

 

[brihard]

I've been tasered, OC sprayed and tear gassed. Despite that tear gas has little effect on me (and none on my son, a former CAF member) I'd rather "ride the lightning" for 5 sexonds than deal with 20 - 30 minutes of OC or CS pain.

That being said, OC is not Kung-fu-in-a-can, and tasers have limitations as well.

Yup. Generally, taser either works well or not at all.