Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[PPCLI Guy]

I think we need to reduce / ax the TFW program. Then all those unemployed young people can fill the roles currently occupied by TFWs

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Somebody has to help pay the $90 billion OAS bill...

That program also needs to be significantly reduced so it serves the truly at need

 

[YZT580]

I think we need to reduce / ax the TFW program. Then all those unemployed young people can fill the roles currently occupied by TFWs

In the 60's and 70's boys worked pumping gas or washing cars and girls wore roller skates and worked at the A&W. The car washes are still there and still staffed by students but gas station attendants and fast food workers all seem to be TFWs. Yet young people are unemployed. The franchises are owned primarily by east Asians and that seems to be the groups that they draw on for staff. It is understandable if they cater to their own people but those people should be at the very least permanent residents of Canada. If they can make a case saying they can't get anyone else then TFW is okay but only then and the bar should be set fairly high for proof and not rely on someone's say so.

 

[ArmyRick]

Yup. Population pyramid ain’t pretty from a labour force standpoint. We could fix birth rates tomorrow and we’d still need significant immigrant labour for a couple decades.

The problem is many companies and corporations are abusing the TFW program, even government bureaucrats admitted this more than a year ago.
The UN (not that I really care for their views) slammed Canadian TFW program as "modern day slavery".
I did listen to an economist who said their is certain benefits to open exploiting TFWs for both our economy and our taxation/revenue sources (for example if they actually go home, they have paid into CPP, EI and income tax and really do not get to benefit from it).
Same economist said this TFW and immigration increase is a temporary solution to help pay for our social services such as OAS.

Lets be frank it is not sustainable. And unintended consequences are seeing record high youth unemployment.

 

[brihard]

The problem is many companies and corporations are abusing the TFW program, even government bureaucrats admitted this more than a year ago.
The UN (not that I really care for their views) slammed Canadian TFW program as "modern day slavery".
I did listen to an economist who said their is certain benefits to open exploiting TFWs for both our economy and our taxation/revenue sources (for example if they actually go home, they have paid into CPP, EI and income tax and really do not get to benefit from it).
Same economist said this TFW and immigration increase is a temporary solution to help pay for our social services such as OAS.

Lets be frank it is not sustainable. And unintended consequences are seeing record high youth unemployment.

I am not and have not been talking about TFW or the low wage service sector stuff where they predominate. I’m talking about skilled/professional economic immigration.

 

[ArmyRick]

I’m talking about skilled/professional economic immigration.

I am all for fast tracking doctors, engineers, nurses, tradesmen, etc. to be permanent residents and then citizens.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Immigration, at every level, should be strategically focused on the professions Canada needs and on age demographics that offer a reasonable prospect of being net contributors to our social programs and infrastructure.

Access to publicly funded social programs should be tied to an individual's contributions and eligibility, not simply their arrival in Canada.

I'd also establish a Canadian equivalent of ICE, tasked with ensuring that those who have overstayed their authorized stay, or who have no legal right to be here, are identified and removed swiftly and efficiently, with due process.

Immigrating to Canada, the greatest country on earth, is a privilege, not an entitlement. We have every right to establish clear expectations, enforce our laws, and put the interests of Canadians first.

FAFO at your leisure.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Access to publicly funded social programs should be tied to an individual's contributions and eligibility, not simply their arrival in Canada.

Lets apply that widely to include birth as a means of arrival. That would mean that the only Canadians (born, or naturalised) that would have "Access to publicly funded social programs tied to an individual's contributions and eligibility". If an immigrant is a productive member of society, and contributes to the country and its economy, are they less deserving than libtard SJWs that make no contributons to the systems but get subsidised education, health care, welfare, etc?

 

[Eaglelord17]

I am not and have not been talking about TFW or the low wage service sector stuff where they predominate. I’m talking about skilled/professional economic immigration.

I am all for fast tracking doctors, engineers, nurses, tradesmen, etc. to be permanent residents and then citizens.

Doesn’t matter if we bring in doctors, engineers, nurses, or tradesmen because those associations prevent them from working in their fields. Until we fix those, whether we bring in low skill or high skill, they will all be working as low skill.

A big part of the issue is the gate keeping, not that we don’t have people who can do a lot of that work.

Take doctors, we have former Russian brain surgeons working in other fields because it is too difficult to get certified here.

Take tradesmen, I have a friend who despite working as a millwright for over a decade they wouldn’t let write his red seal test.

My opinion is that TFWs should be paid 25% more than the average wage of that job in the area (government average statistics not what the employer says is the average). That will keep employers from abusing the program and only bringing in people as absolutely necessary.

A huge part of the issue with the program is wage suppression. There is no right to pay minimum wage for that work, only that the minimum wage is the lowest you can post the job for.

 

[mariomike]

Take doctors, we have former Russian brain surgeons working in other fields because it is too difficult to get certified here.

Taxi drivers inform me , without being asked, that they are doctors or engineers .