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Title: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Bread Guy on June 03, 2019, 16:07:12
This (https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2019/06/the-canadian-armed-forces-begin-new-operation-to-help-monitor-north-korea-sanctions.html) from the DND info-machine:
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In June 2019 the Canadian Armed Forces are deploying ships and a maritime patrol aircraft, under Operation NEON, to ensure sanctions are imposed against North Korea.

Her Majesty’s Canadian Ship (HMCS) Regina, Naval Replenishment Unit Asterix and a CP-140 Aurora aircraft are contributing to this new operation.

Operation NEON is Canada’s contribution to a coordinated multinational effort to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council sanctions imposed against North Korea. These UN sanctions, imposed between 2006 and 2017, aim to pressure North Korea to abandon its weapons of mass destruction programs and respond to North Korean nuclear weapon tests and ballistic missile launches.

During 2019 and 2020 and into 2021, Canada will periodically deploy military ships, aircraft and personnel to conduct surveillance operations to identify suspected maritime sanctions evasion activities, in particular ship-to-ship transfers of fuel and other commodities banned by the United Nations Security Council resolutions (UNSCR). This contribution will bolster the integrity of the global sanctions regime against North Korea.

Operation NEON demonstrates the importance that Canada places on security in the Asia-Pacific region, international security and the importance of upholding the UN Security Council sanctions regime. It further demonstrates Canada’s resolve in standing with allies and partners in accordance with Canadian values ...
More @ link -- CAF Op NEON page here (https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/operations/military-operations/current-operations/operation-neon.html).
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Bread Guy on June 04, 2019, 07:57:17
And this (http://juche007-anglo-peopleskoreafriendship.blogspot.com/2019/06/official-kfa-canada-statement-regarding.html) from the "Korean Friendship Association Canada" (text also attached in case link doesn't work) ...
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The Korean Friendship Association Canada fully condemns Canada’s decision to send forces on behalf of UN sanctions. By sending military to enforce UN sanctions, Canada is actively going against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it claims to endorse.

Article 2 of the United Declaration of Human Rights clearly states how despite political beliefs, the DPRK should never have their freedoms trampled on against, especially from a foreign entity. These sanctions against the DPRK from America and the UN go against many of the rights set forth in the Declaration, however Article 2 is the one that stands out the most.

If we allow Canada, and the world as a whole, to continue to oppress the DPRK, then we throw away all that the United Nations claim to stand for. Do we continue to oppress and sanction countries, and put people at harm, or do we dismiss the United Nations as a whole, and create something more substantial. Canada will be involved directly in one of the greatest illegal operations in modern history if it continues down this path; Canada can thus then no longer be seen as this “peace keeping” country in which we were force fed growing up.

KFA Canada calls for everyone to reach out to politicians and tell them not to support this illegal act, but to force the powers that be to back away, and offer friendship instead of warships!

- Comrade Trevor Spencer (KFA OD Canada)
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Lumber on June 04, 2019, 08:48:16
So... Operation... "Neon"?...  Does Neon have some meaning I'm not aware of?

Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Jarnhamar on June 04, 2019, 08:49:17
Full of gas?
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: tomahawk6 on June 04, 2019, 10:16:51
rare gas or just the next name on the op list ?
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: MarkOttawa on June 04, 2019, 11:21:02
Well, neon is a noble gas so maybe that says something about the mission  ;):
https://www.britannica.com/science/noble-gas

Mark
Ottawa
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: boot12 on June 04, 2019, 11:44:51
Not many cool words that start with N?
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Journeyman on June 04, 2019, 12:36:00
The name of the mission is irrelevant;  what's important is that this is sure  to get us the UNSC seat.   :nod:
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Blackadder1916 on June 04, 2019, 12:40:44
Well, neon is a noble gas so maybe that says something about the mission  ;):


But the primary use of neon is signage.  The first thought that pops into my mind when I hear "neon" is Las Vegas; what other city would have as one of their preeminent "cultural" destinations a repurposed junkyard that celebrates the local ethos of fake glitter and lost dreams.  So, does the use of this codeword signify something about the Canadian response, all flash, little substance?
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: tomydoom on June 04, 2019, 14:50:41
And this (http://juche007-anglo-peopleskoreafriendship.blogspot.com/2019/06/official-kfa-canada-statement-regarding.html) from the "Korean Friendship Association Canada" (text also attached in case link doesn't work) ...
Can’t help but notice that “Spencer” is not a common Korean surname. I don’t imagine one would find much support for this point of view within the Korean Canadian community. Though admittedly that is just speculation.


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Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Bread Guy on June 04, 2019, 17:30:02
Can’t help but notice that “Spencer” is not a common Korean surname.
If you believe the mainstream media (https://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-fans-kim-jong-un-donald-trump-summit-vietnam-2019-2) ....
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... For Spencer, he says his affinity for the isolated government is driven by his commitment to "social justice" and his personal experiences of prejudice as a Métis, a distinct ethnic group of mixed Indigenous and European decent ...
Also seems to be involved in maintaining the Canadian group's FB page (https://www.facebook.com/pg/CanadaKFA/posts/?ref=page_internal).
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Spencer100 on June 04, 2019, 17:48:05
Hey not me!   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: tomahawk6 on June 04, 2019, 19:47:39
An affinity for a government that rules by fear makes me think that they do not want a democracy.
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Dimsum on June 04, 2019, 20:01:31
An affinity for a government that rules by fear makes me think that they do not want a democracy.

Are you talking about the Spencer guy who maintains the KFA Canada page? 

And that page...wow.
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: tomahawk6 on June 04, 2019, 20:25:18
Yes. If I have it wrong let me know.Thanks
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Dimsum on June 04, 2019, 20:30:16
Yes. If I have it wrong let me know.Thanks

Well, I don't think those groups represent the majority of NK citizens. 
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Bread Guy on June 05, 2019, 08:03:53
Well, I don't think those groups represent the majority of NK citizens.
:nod:  The same way all those Communist Parties didn't represent the majority of people living in "Democratic Republics" ...
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 06, 2019, 22:12:11
OP PROJECTION is now OP NEON (https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2019/06/the-canadian-armed-forces-begin-new-operation-to-help-monitor-north-korea-sanctions.html).

The 2 main things being monitored IAW the UNSCR are (1) the transfer of oil heading into North Korea and (2) the transfer of coal coming out of North Korea.

Fairly simple mission goals...rather complicated op area (from the air side, at least).

- mod merge to new Op NEON thread -
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Good2Golf on June 06, 2019, 22:17:28
How much coal does DPRK (try to) export, compared to how much Canada exports out of Vancouver?
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 06, 2019, 22:34:44
I'd have to check to be honest; the answer should be "very little to none" since the UNSCRs?  The oil piece is definitely more prominent.

I know I'm only a line sqn operator, but I think this is the one the fleet should commit a standing Det to.  The mission is important and we can offer some mission value there, but it should be consistent and persistent.

Also...the location is awesome!  My Det lucked out and got some time in Tokyo.  The city is amazing, especially at night.
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Dimsum on June 07, 2019, 01:06:18
I know I'm only a line sqn operator, but I think this is the one the fleet should commit a standing Det to.  The mission is important and we can offer some mission value there, but it should be consistent and persistent.

All of a sudden, no one is sick, lame or lazy in the LRP fleet  :nod:
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 07, 2019, 13:40:06
Location!  Location!  Location!   perhaps?   8)

Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Lumber on June 07, 2019, 14:22:52
Location!  Location!  Location!   perhaps?   8)

Op Caribbe definitely instills a lot more excitement than Op Nanook...
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Jarnhamar on June 07, 2019, 15:16:12
All of a sudden, no one is sick, lame or lazy in the LRP fleet  :nod:

Yup. People with MELs that basically say "Mbr may live life at own pace" come off T-Cat to deploy.
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: dapaterson on June 07, 2019, 15:34:03
Yup. People with MELs that basically say "Mbr may live life at own pace" come off T-Cat to deploy.

The best treatment for NATO knee is tax-free status.
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 07, 2019, 18:01:28
Op Caribbe definitely instills a lot more excitement than Op Nanook...

Better SWIMEXs?
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: kratz on June 07, 2019, 18:03:47
Flight deck is a bit empty for tanning stations on Arctic patrol vs Op Caribbe.   :cold:
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 07, 2019, 18:13:14
Yup. People with MELs that basically say "Mbr may live life at own pace" come off T-Cat to deploy.

In all honesty, we don't have much of a problem that way in LRP.  Crews aren't places broken people stay;  they are out the door too often and not many of the places we go to legitimately suck anyways.

Unless CJOC gets involved, like the Norway ex (Trident Juncture?) last fall.  That was unnecessarily stupid (second hand stories...I was elsewhere at the time).  I went to Andøya on another trip and loved it; the crew that went to TJ couldn't wait to get the hell away from there just to clear the 'stupid zone'.
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Bread Guy on June 27, 2019, 11:15:58
"Hello, Canadians - welcome to our backyard" (https://globalnews.ca/news/5437394/china-buzzes-canadian-warship/) …
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A report says two Chinese fighter jets buzzed a Canadian warship operating in international waters in the East China Sea.

The news comes at a time of heightened tension between Beijing and Ottawa.

A report says two Chinese fighter jets buzzed a Canadian warship operating in international waters in the East China Sea.

The news comes at a time of heightened tension between Beijing and Ottawa ...
From the blog post (https://www.cgai.ca/close_encounters_during_operation_neon):
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A pair of frontline Chinese Su-30 fighter jets buzzed HMCS Regina Monday in the East China Sea, in international waters east of Shanghai. The formidable twin-tail Russian-built strike aircraft flew within 300 metres of the Canadian ship’s bow, screaming past about 300 metres above the water.

It was the first such close encounter between a Chinese warplane and a Royal Canadian Navy warship. It comes at a time of heightened tensions between China and Canada, triggered by Canada’s plan to hold an extradition hearing to the U.S. for a senior Chinese businesswoman whom Washington accuses of violating sanctions on Iran.

The noisy fly-past came after the Canadians had spent days observing as many as a dozen other Su-30 fighter jets flying at least several kilometres away from the ship. While more aggressive than anything the RCN has seen before from Chinese fighter jets, those aboard HMCS Regina did not consider the Su-30s’ actions to be unduly provocative or hazardous.

“This was not a dangerous scenario but it is one that we certainly paid close attention to,” Regina’s captain, Cmdr. Jake French, said. “I will not characterize their intent, but we have seen a lot of ‘fast air’ over the past week flying from where many of their bases are.

“It is normal for air forces to check foreign navies operating in their backyard. Seeing the proximity of Chinese forces is part of the business. This is what militaries do.”

Relations at sea with the Chinese military have been “professional and cordial,” the commander said ...
More @ links
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Spencer100 on June 27, 2019, 11:23:46
SU-27's "buzzed" our frigate. I don't know if 300 metres is concerned very close?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/china-fighters-buzz-canada-warship-in-east-china-sea-report-1.4484852 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/china-fighters-buzz-canada-warship-in-east-china-sea-report-1.4484852)

Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 27, 2019, 16:51:49
300m might be considered close to sfc vessels.  The intercepts with the CP-140 crew last fall were...."somewhat closer" at times. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chinese-korea-embargo-aircraft-buzzed-harassment-1.4953093

There are some areas in that AO that the Chinese are more...touchy...about.  I'd also guess the Regina is of more interest to them now that they have the Cyclone onboard.

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Along the way, Regina discovered a half-submerged People’s Liberation Army Navy Kilo-class attack submarine. “We saw the Chinese periscope and mast. We got a close look at it,” French said of the Russian-built submarine, which was first spotted by Regina’s new Cyclone helicopter and later became clearly visible to anyone on the Canadian frigate’s deck or bridge. Other than to say it seemed the submarine was headed toward its home waters, he declined to speculate as to why the diesel-electric submarine, which normally goes to great lengths not to be detected, was so unusually easy to find.

And, some dirty pool.

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The Canadian ship located and tracked tankers that may be involved in smuggling fuel to North Korea in violation of UN sanctions and someone aboard one of those vessels lasered Regina’s RCAF helicopter crew.

The green laser beams are insidious weapons that can cause blindness and other serious eye damage. The lasers were aimed at the Canadians as their helicopter flew about 80 kilometres off the Chinese coast. Nobody was hurt during the attack.

“It is a safety issue and there has been an increase in incidents at sea lately,” Regina’s skipper said. “Our crew were wearing protective safety lenses just in case.”
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Dolphin_Hunter on June 27, 2019, 19:15:03
So, they flew by at a distance of around 1,000 ft

Doesn’t seem that bad when the distance is in feet. 

I consider anything less than 300 feet to be close. 

*According to cbc they were 100ft off the water as well.  CBC also mentioned that the jets were not unexpected. 
Title: Re: Op NEON - CAF Helps Enforce N.Korea Sanctions
Post by: Bread Guy on June 27, 2019, 23:04:07
A bit more from what looks like a previous post (https://www.cgai.ca/canadas_transit_of_the_taiwan_strait) by the same writer ...
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Aboard HMCS Regina – A Chinese coast guard vessel recently came within about 700 metres of HMCS Regina during a rare transit by a Canadian warship through hotly disputed waters in the South China Sea and Strait of Taiwan.

The unexpected incident near the southern mouth of the strait briefly caused some anxiety on Regina’s bridge. However, Canadian sailors praised the Chinese mariners for their seamanship and courtesy as a series of Chinese warships and coast guard ships – never more than three at a time – shadowed HMCS Regina and the Canadian replenishment ship, MV Asterix. The Chinese followed the Canadian ships for more than 1,000 kilometres as they made their way north through the Strait of Taiwan to the East China Sea.

The voyage through the strait put the Canadian ships in waters between China and Taiwan, which is independent but considered part of China by Beijing.

Chinese interest in what the Canadian ships might be doing appeared to increase as they entered the strait, much of which is claimed by both China and Taiwan, and is considered a potential flashpoint if the two countries ever come to blows.

Taiwanese warships and coast guard vessels also followed the Canadian ships as they transited the strait.

“I never felt there was anything unsafe or unprofessional in anything the Chinese or Taiwanese did,” said Regina’s captain, Cmdr. Jake French. “What we observed were common maritime practices by the Chinese and Taiwanese.”

( ... )

For more than a week now, six different Chinese warships, usually operating in pairs, have played a cat-and-mouse game with the Canadians by bracketing or trailing their ships. The shadowing began almost immediately when they had completed a brief exercise with the Vietnamese navy after making a port visit to Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam, last week.

The Chinese observed an exercise involving the Canadian ships and three Japanese warships, including a helicopter destroyer that some analysts have described as a small aircraft carrier.

At one point, in shallow waters near the southern mouth of the Strait of Taiwan, the Chinese repeatedly hailed the Canadians to ask where they were headed and to tell them to take new course headings. The Canadians initially answered a few of the dozens of hails to identify themselves, but there were so many similar hails and answers that they finally stopped replying. Taiwanese warships also shadowed and hailed the Canadians. The Taiwanese sailed just to the east of the Canadians while the Chinese sailed just to the west, creating an interesting tableau on the sea ...
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