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Title: Fmr MCpl Patrik Mathews - facing U.S. federal charges/alleged white supremacist
Post by: mariomike on August 16, 2019, 22:24:00
Saw this in today's Winnipeg Free Press,

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Winnipeg Free Press
08/16/2019

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/homegrown-hate-547510902.html
A military spokesman told the Free Press he could not comment on specific investigations into members, but that "in any instance where information indicates discriminatory behaviour by a CAF member action is taken."

- mod edit to flesh out current situation -
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 17, 2019, 03:38:33
Saw this in today's Winnipeg Free Press,

Mm hm. And it’s probably gonna get quite a bit worse before it gets better.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 17, 2019, 10:32:57
Seems to me the CAF is being used to push a political narrative right in time for election.


Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Fishbone Jones on August 19, 2019, 12:42:28
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/white-supremacist-in-army-reserve-553050082.html?fbclid=IwAR0gdWGEReORa3Q98xqqlnnCQcknZ-hls031AtgZzJvNkKu9YkxSQdcBzl0#&gid=null&pid=2

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The man who is recruiting in Winnipeg for a neo-Nazi paramilitary group holds a leadership position in the Canadian Army Reserve and is a trained explosives expert.

The Free Press has identified Master Cpl. Patrik Mathews, 26, as the man responsible for the neo-Nazi propaganda posters that have been posted throughout the city in recent weeks.

The posters were part of a recruitment drive for The Base, a white supremacist network that’s active on three continents. Experts on hate groups say The Base represents the most radical, violent fringes of the extremist right.

Mathews is a trained combat engineer, which makes him an explosives expert, and is an active member of the army reserve. Combat engineers are responsible for conducting a number of construction and demolition tasks under battle conditions.

As a master corporal, he is considered to be in a leadership position and oversees and instructs privates who work under him.

The Free Press asked the Canadian Armed Forces to confirm if Mathews is a member at 12:30 p.m. Saturday. By 2:30 p.m. Sunday, a spokeswoman said she was unable to confirm if there was a member under that name since it was the weekend and access to personnel files was limited.

More at link
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: PMedMoe on August 19, 2019, 13:03:10
If verified, dishonourable discharge.  We don't need that crap in the CF.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 19, 2019, 13:08:21
If verified, dishonourable discharge.  We don't need that crap in the CF.

They can only do that if they can hit him with a service offense. As a reservist that's gonna be tough- they'd need to prove him having committed an offense while subject to the Code of Service Discipline... Probably we'll see an administrative review followed by a release under 5f, unsuitable for further service for reasons within his control.

That said- do the due diligence, and if this is in fact the individual in question, get rid of him post haste and publicly. This kind of conduct is a disgrace.

I have no doubt that we have some such individuals in our ranks. I strongly suspect at least some will be known to various police and security agencies. It is very much in the interests of the institution and in the national interest to root them out and to excise them from the military as completely as can be achieved, obviously subject to discretion where there may be ongoing investigative or intelligence interests.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 19, 2019, 13:14:05
Not to take away from him being a crap head if this is true but would a reservist MCpl engineer be considered an explosives "expert"?

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Hamish Seggie on August 19, 2019, 13:15:03
And of course he’s from Winnipeg  🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 19, 2019, 13:22:11
Not to take away from him being a crap head if this is true but would a reservist MCpl engineer be considered an explosives "expert"?

Probably moreso than your average nut who downloaded a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook. 'Expert' as most of us would see the term? No, likely not... Some loose reporting on this, the author would have benefitted from maybe working his contacts for another day to feel out what the army reserve is about. But he's not totally out to lunch either. I'm sure a combat engineer MCpl knows enough about explosives to make better use of them than most, and to be a real problem were he inclined to be, and if he had access to explosive material. It also gives him a much stronger foundation to 'self teach' beyond his formal qualifications.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Haggis on August 19, 2019, 13:26:43
If verified, dishonourable discharge.  We don't need that crap in the CF.

True.

As a reservist that's gonna be tough-

Very true.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 19, 2019, 13:29:30
For reference, this builds off the author's in depth investigation (and to an extent infiltration) of Canada's white supremacist movement, as recounted in the same paper days ago. He had mentioned he was 'on' to someone in the military and was working on an ID.

Original link shared in another thread by (of course ;)) Mariomike in our 'Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim Edition' thread. https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,124385.msg1580525.html#msg1580525 (https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,124385.msg1580525.html#msg1580525)
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 19, 2019, 13:40:20
Probably moreso than your average nut who downloaded a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook. 'Expert' as most of us would see the term? No, likely not...

Good point.

What gets me is that some of this guys peers had to know what his activities were and the circles he hung around in but never reported it sooner. Comments in the mess, posts on social media. I'm guessing it's not going to be a surprise to people that know him. Hopefully the police start asking people some uncomfortable questions.


This is another example of why I think bystander training (and awareness) where there's human to human discussions are more important to the CAF than our mandated online GBA+ culture.

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 19, 2019, 13:46:15
Good point.

What gets me is that some of this guys peers had to know what his activities were and the circles he hung around in but never reported it sooner. Comments in the mess, posts on social media. I'm guessing it's not going to be a surprise to people that know him. Hopefully the police start asking people some uncomfortable questions.


This is another example of why I think bystander training (and awareness) where there's human to human discussions are more important to the CAF than our mandated online GBA+ culture.

Mm hm. I got a decent 'insider threat' training session a year or two back, it was a couple hours well spent. The CAF could use some of that, properly delivered by people who can tailor it appropriately to a given audience. It's just like we were told overseas , 'every soldier is a sensor' in the context of gathering intelligence. We absolutely have people within the ranks who pose a security threat to Canada, and who will be most easily 'outed' by a combination of someone in their peer group noticing something, and then passing it up appropriately, allowing for the right person to ask the right questions.

And, all that said, I have absolutely no idea what the MP group has in terms of internal security intelligence gathering- nor is it my business to. I would hope that they're already quite active in that, and I trust that if not, they soon will be.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Journeyman on August 19, 2019, 14:18:53
It also gives him a much stronger foundation to 'self teach' beyond his formal qualifications.
Very good point. 

In addition to learning via Google, he's well situated to learn more within the Engineer community -- where he may come across as technically/professionally enthusiastic,  as well as within the White Supremacist community -- where he may be seen as a key individual to nurture/exploit. 

Not that I would remotely consider him any sort of explosives super soldier, but neither do I discount the public relations   ":panic: factor."

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 19, 2019, 14:29:08
Very good point. 

In addition to learning via Google, he's well situated to learn more within the Engineer community -- where he may come across as technically/professionally enthusiastic,  as well as within the White Supremacist community -- where he may be seen as a key individual to nurture/exploit. 

Not that I would remotely consider him any sort of explosives super soldier, but neither do I discount the public relations   ":panic: factor."

You're better qualified to speak to it than I, but I would also be concerned about the potentially imminent forced exit from the military as being a potential catalyst towards further radicalization / action. Staying in has presented some opportunities that are best preserved while 'laying low'. Being outed and removed potentially changes some calculus there.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: AbdullahD on August 19, 2019, 14:45:35
I tried to do some digging on this subject.. may have failed miserably as some things still elude me.

This chap, has allegedly shown signs that are extremely troubling and called for violence and should be dealt with immediately if found to be true.

I just need to clarify something for myself, the real reason he is in trouble and/or being "outed" is his calls for violence, Not his belief in white supremacy? If so that is completely ok with me and understandable. Where it gets trickier if he simply believes in the Neo-Nazi ideologies and/or white supremacy, why or how can he be punished for what he personally believes?

Yes, I think they are disgusting beliefs. Yes, I only think fools really believe it. Yes, I think it needs to be removed from society and made a footnote in history.. I am just considering the implications. Leave it alone they can actively recruit.. true. But if we go after this ideology and punish those who adhere, it gives them far more ammunition or even a catalyst.

I just wanted to be clear the major issue is his calls for violence or have someone explain to me the how or why we have to censor his beliefs however disgusting I/we find them.. maybe I have it all mixxed up in my head. Or is there a professional standard in tue CAF that members can not have these beliefs? Reading the earlier posts it looks like that is not the case. Or heck maybe I am just tired of the immediate response of banning or censoring everything we do not like.. albeit this case could be warranted.

I'm done my rambling, thanks for reading.
Abdullah
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Journeyman on August 19, 2019, 15:05:02
... I would also be concerned about the potentially imminent forced exit from the military as being a potential catalyst towards further radicalization.
Absolutely.  A recurring theme is 'otherness' -- being an 'outsider.'  He had a peer group, that on various levels (including likely some degree of alt-right concurrence) provided support and/or a suitable echo chamber;  now he's being "punished," "oppressed," what have you, by what he'll no doubt see as a bleeding-heart. immigrant-loving government, destroying the country.... or some equally nonsensical drivel (it's not unheard of on this site  :not-again: ).

I have doubts that the CAF is considering more than merely punting the soldier (providing the government an election-year soundbite of being tough on violent extremism), without consideration of any knock-on effects... which could potentially be mitigated by hooking the troop with some form of deradicalization program.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: CloudCover on August 19, 2019, 15:26:21
Sorry, but they look just like a group of caliphate crapheads (with their black face coverings) in need of a really bad day. The scary thing is that when they come out of prison, they will be worse than when they went in, and that's a scary thought.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Retired AF Guy on August 19, 2019, 17:33:36

And, all that said, I have absolutely no idea what the MP group has in terms of internal security intelligence gathering- nor is it my business to. I would hope that they're already quite active in that, and I trust that if not, they soon will be.

I believe its the NCIU that would look after this kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 19, 2019, 18:05:27
I tried to do some digging on this subject.. may have failed miserably as some things still elude me.

This chap, has allegedly shown signs that are extremely troubling and called for violence and should be dealt with immediately if found to be true.

I just need to clarify something for myself, the real reason he is in trouble and/or being "outed" is his calls for violence, Not his belief in white supremacy? If so that is completely ok with me and understandable. Where it gets trickier if he simply believes in the Neo-Nazi ideologies and/or white supremacy, why or how can he be punished for what he personally believes?

Yes, I think they are disgusting beliefs. Yes, I only think fools really believe it. Yes, I think it needs to be removed from society and made a footnote in history.. I am just considering the implications. Leave it alone they can actively recruit.. true. But if we go after this ideology and punish those who adhere, it gives them far more ammunition or even a catalyst.

I just wanted to be clear the major issue is his calls for violence or have someone explain to me the how or why we have to censor his beliefs however disgusting I/we find them.. maybe I have it all mixxed up in my head. Or is there a professional standard in tue CAF that members can not have these beliefs? Reading the earlier posts it looks like that is not the case. Or heck maybe I am just tired of the immediate response of banning or censoring everything we do not like.. albeit this case could be warranted.

I'm done my rambling, thanks for reading.
Abdullah

Let's say that independently of violence, recruitment, propaganda, or incitement, that a CAF member is found to have such views- a decent precedent would be the navy members who showed up in 'proud boys' garb in Halifax last year. They all were put on 'counseling and probation', basically the last step of administrative action before someone is released. That's for views and actions that fall still somewhat shy of outright white supremacy.

Make no bones about it: Holding supremacist/racist views of any sort is incompatible with honourable service to Canada. It reflects poorly on the military as an institution, and it compromises someone's ability to be trusted with information when they hold views that are at odds with our national interest and with the institutional ethos. Anyone so found will, best case to them, be given one and only one chance. As has been well said by others, "I cannot change your views, but I can change your employment".

I would say that anyone who even views violence in the pursuit of these beliefs as acceptable is someone who needs to be swiftly out of the military. This stuff verges on the national security world at this point.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on August 20, 2019, 09:26:58
Update

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Military, RCMP investigating Winnipeg neo-Nazi army reserves leader
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/military-rcmp-investigating-winnipeg-neo-nazi-army-reserves-leader-554974742.html
At least two investigations are underway into the extremist activity of Master Cpl. Patrik Mathews, an active combat engineer in the Canadian Army Reserves in Winnipeg who holds membership in a violent neo-Nazi hate group.

The investigations — one conducted by the armed forces and the other by the RCMP — come in the wake of a Free Press report identifying Mathews, 26, as the man behind the recent recruitment drive in Winnipeg for a neo-Nazi paramilitary group called The Base.

A report on Mathews has also been filed with the provincial Chief Firearms Officer, the official responsible for administering gun licences. Mathews is known to possess several firearms, including multiple long guns and a pistol.

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 20, 2019, 09:43:19
Not to take away from him being a crap head if this is true but would a reservist MCpl engineer be considered an explosives "expert"?

Probably moreso than your average nut who downloaded a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook. 'Expert' as most of us would see the term? No, likely not... Some loose reporting on this, the author would have benefitted from maybe working his contacts for another day to feel out what the army reserve is about. But he's not totally out to lunch either. I'm sure a combat engineer MCpl knows enough about explosives to make better use of them than most, and to be a real problem were he inclined to be, and if he had access to explosive material. It also gives him a much stronger foundation to 'self teach' beyond his formal qualifications.

Knowing nothing about the mbr's history, there's a chance he was a Reg type at some point, did some tours and broadened that knowledge before CTing to the PRes.  Not everyone starts out and stays in the Cl A PRes world... :2c:

I also hope his exit from the CAF is very quick and very public.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Remius on August 20, 2019, 10:19:39
Knowing nothing about the mbr's history, there's a chance he was a Reg type at some point, did some tours and broadened that knowledge before CTing to the PRes.  Not everyone starts out and stays in the Cl A PRes world... :2c:

I'm not 100% up on what a reserve CE can get as far as quals go.  But it isn't that far off reality that he has Basic demo and maybe some more advanced stuff like using shaped charges.  These wouldn't be courses any civy could easily get unless in something like the mining industry or construction.  He would be more than an expert than the average person as some people have mentioned. 

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 20, 2019, 10:33:28
Seen this from another site about the guy in question.

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    I’ve worked with him. Saying he’s an expert in anything is...a stretch. Most of his co-workers openly dislike him and state it’s bc he’s not terribly bright, and tends to frig a lot of basic crap up. If he tried to blow something up without having his hand held, he’s more likely blow himself, and his other want to be Nazis up with him.

    Yeah, he’s a MCpl...in the Engineers. I’m not sure how to explain this, but that’s not a high bar, nor does that hold a whole lot of influence. He has basically been in the unit, had a pulse, and shows up. Not every trade is like that, this one is. Ppl I went through basic with are Warrant Officers in the Engineers in only 8 years, so let that sink in. That’s not normal. Many units have ppl still at Cpl moving to MCpl in that time if they’re switched on. Mathews...he’s not. He was just there.

    He’s playing Nazi while in a unit that was active in WWII... fighting the Nazis... that sink in. This dude isn’t exactly smart. When Remembrance Day comes up, go to that armory. In the far left corner, it has a pretty ****ed up quote from a veteran who basically says he no longer believes in God after the horrors he saw in the war and what Nazi Germany did.

    I’m not going to be one of those idiots who whines about “ooooh! His mental health! He needs halp!”, like, he’s a big boy, he can sleep in the bed he made. That being said, if anyone fell into the “cult demographic” archetype, it’s Mathews. Few friends for companionship of any kind outside of work, single male without strong family connections, religious/community involvement etc. He’s basically a social outcast loner. The army fishes from the same demographic pool for recruits.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on August 20, 2019, 11:14:59
Seen this from another site about the guy in question.

Jarnhamar, would you mind...

  • You will properly attribute any quotes to the appropriate author or speaker.



Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Bruce Monkhouse on August 20, 2019, 11:16:31
I think that's to quell any possible copyright  issues.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on August 20, 2019, 11:17:53
I think that's to quell any possible copyright  issues.

Ok. If that's the case, please disregard my post.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 20, 2019, 11:22:46
I think that's to quell any possible copyright  issues.

I saw what he posted as well- it's a post from Reddit that someone posted from a throwaway account last night.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianForces/comments/csjx4a/white_supremacist_in_army_reserve/
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on August 20, 2019, 11:24:08
I saw what he posted as well- it's a post from Reddit that someone posted from a throwaway account last night.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianForces/comments/csjx4a/white_supremacist_in_army_reserve/

Thank-you, Brihard.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 20, 2019, 13:08:43
I saw what he posted as well- it's a post from Reddit that someone posted from a throwaway account last night.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianForces/comments/csjx4a/white_supremacist_in_army_reserve/

Right, looked like a throwaway account someone made in July with only one previous post, and they were quoting another member as well. Wasn't sure if it was worth quoting the source.

Supposing the post/observations are accurate it paints an unsurprising image of the member. This comment really stuck out to me.

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if anyone fell into the “cult demographic” archetype, it’s Mathews. Few friends for companionship of any kind outside of work, single male without strong family connections, religious/community involvement etc. He’s basically a social outcast loner. The army fishes from the same demographic pool for recruits.

From kids identifying as dogs or vampires to soldiers joining neo nazi or hate groups it seems like there's an overwhelming need for people to belong to something and being labeled as something in society.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Blackadder1916 on August 20, 2019, 13:44:27
Am watching CBC News Network.  Currently there is a live teleconference presser ongoing that includes the Comd 38 CBG, Col Gwen Bourque.  According to Col Bourque the soldier in question lasted paraded for two days in May and has not done anything since.  Has only the basic rudimentary explosives training that all basic trained Cbt Engrs have and has no qualifications/authorizations that would allow him access to military explosives or weapons.  When Col Bourque responded to a question about any investigation into the MCpl, she seem to stumble over the initials of the military agency (?NCIU) and shortly afterwards another person on the call, who I assume may have been Public Affairs (I missed the opening of the call and don't know who was coordinating the press questions) who pointedly said that the military investigating agency would not be identified or confirmed.

(oh, finished now)

Now on the CBC site
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-accused-of-involvement-in-neo-nazi-group-1.5253212
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. . .
Brigade commander Col. Gwen Bourque, in a telephone conference with reporters on Tuesday, said Mathews last worked as a reservist in May, and his unit was not scheduled to work again until September. If he is found to be involved with the group, possible consequences could range from counselling to termination of his employment.
 
The investigation is ongoing,and no decision has yet been made, Bourque said.

. . . 

Mathews has no access to explosives outside of sanctioned military exercises and has only "rudimentary" training, which all combat engineers would have, Bourque said.

. . .
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Journeyman on August 20, 2019, 14:05:40
….who pointedly said that the military investigating agency would not be identified or confirmed.
Pointy head maybe.    ::)
I've never heard of a CAF unit whose name  is classified, and the reporter didn't ask for their ******* nominal roll.  Everybody wants to be 'oh, we're sooo secret.'
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Remius on August 20, 2019, 14:09:57
Pointy head maybe.    ::)
I've never heard of a CAF unit whose name  is classified, and the reporter didn't ask for their ******* nominal roll.  Everybody wants to be 'oh, we're sooo secret.'

The system is working if you've never heard of a CAF unit whose "name" is classified.   ;D
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Journeyman on August 20, 2019, 14:15:17
Mind you, while I have worn several different coloured berets, I've never gone in for tinfoil headwear.   :Tin-Foil-Hat:
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: MilEME09 on August 20, 2019, 15:55:35
https://trib.al/OKR0wGn

Things seem to be escalating in interesting ways
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: CloudCover on August 20, 2019, 16:24:18
Military was aware prior to media report...
Interesting indeed. This does seem to be a rightfully important project of this Minister's interest. Was Minister aware of this particular instance prior to the report?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Tcm621 on August 20, 2019, 16:26:08
Not to take away from him being a crap head if this is true but would a reservist MCpl engineer be considered an explosives "expert"?

Absolutely, depending on his qualifications. It isn't uncommon to have Cpls as EOD and/or IEDD operators. I don't know about reservists and IEDD but they all pretty much have basic EOD and basic demolition.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: CloudCover on August 20, 2019, 16:37:33
If you follow Mercedes Stephensen on Twitter, you will see she has posted that the PoI was taken into custody by RCMP ERT and then released.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 20, 2019, 17:14:15
Absolutely, depending on his qualifications. It isn't uncommon to have Cpls as EOD and/or IEDD operators. I don't know about reservists and IEDD but they all pretty much have basic EOD and basic demolition.

Basic demo might be a far cry from expert, though I guess the definition seems to be a little ambiguous depending where you look.

I guess my issue is that it would be like saying an infantry reservist cpl/mcpl who's shot the PWT3 and has a support weapons course is a weapons expert. Or tactics expert.

Luckily he appears to be less of an expert according to his peers, but i can see why the media would use the word to push the story.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: FSTO on August 20, 2019, 18:27:37
https://trib.al/OKR0wGn

Things seem to be escalating in interesting ways

Don't worry, the likes of Jesse Brown and Canadaland will be all over this as proof that the White Patriarchy CAF is rife with white nationalists.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Larry Strong on August 21, 2019, 08:28:59
"......'Hands in the air': RCMP raid home of army reservist accused of ties with neo-Nazi group...."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-reservist-accused-neo-nazi-group-1.5253212



Cheers
Larry
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: PuckChaser on August 21, 2019, 11:44:36
From the CBC article:

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Some experts estimate the membership in The Base is around 50 to 100 members.

Estimates are over 60 ISIL fighters have returned to Canada. ISIL fighters who actively participated in a terrorist group. No ERT raids. Some reservist who allegedly is part of an online hate group and allegedly is recruiting for them gets the full ERT cordon and search on his home a week after reports of the investigation has leaked.

Why are we not treating both groups the same here?  :facepalm: 

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Humphrey Bogart on August 21, 2019, 12:02:16
From the CBC article:

Estimates are over 60 ISIL fighters have returned to Canada. ISIL fighters who actively participated in a terrorist group. No ERT raids. Some reservist who allegedly is part of an online hate group and allegedly is recruiting for them gets the full ERT cordon and search on his home a week after reports of the investigation has leaked.

Why are we not treating both groups the same here?  :facepalm:

Easy hit for some major political points.

He probably registered those firearms as well.  Quick application of the firearms act in the name of public safety with a nice show of force to dissuade his comrades.

These dummies don't seem like very sophisticated criminals/militants for that matter.  More like a bunch of idiots that play Mr. Dress Up on the weekends.

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Colin P on August 21, 2019, 12:02:54
The system is working if you've never heard of a CAF unit whose "name" is classified.   ;D

Well you can just change their name every few years  8)
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Hamish Seggie on August 21, 2019, 12:59:45
The Winnipeg Free Press had an article on the front page and an editorial.
The author of the article really did a hatchet job on Gwen Borque. Not too impressed with his bias or that’s the way I perceive it.


Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: CloudCover on August 21, 2019, 13:14:01
I heard this in a TV exchange last night: "Explosive headlines do not make explosives experts."
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brad Sallows on August 21, 2019, 13:39:27
>Some reservist who allegedly is part of an online hate group and allegedly is recruiting for them gets the full ERT cordon and search on his home a week after reports of the investigation has leaked.

I'm hoping we get a press release explaining why it was necessary.  I care about civil liberties much more than I care about harassing any of the gangs in this country.  I don't want the tolerances of the country to be as narrow as the tolerances of the CAF (with which I agree).
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Blackadder1916 on August 21, 2019, 14:27:21
The Winnipeg Free Press had an article on the front page and an editorial.
The author of the article really did a hatchet job on Gwen Borque. Not too impressed with his bias or that’s the way I perceive it.

I don't know if the Winnipeg Free Press journalist participated in the media teleconference with Col Bourque or which reporter asked the specific question that forms the basis of the "hatchet job".

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/canadas-military-will-take-aggressive-actions-with-extremist-soldiers-defence-minister-vows-557361812.html
Quote
. . .
Bourque stressed Mathews does not currently have access to military weaponry and seemed to downplay Mathews' experience with explosives, saying his training in this area was "rudimentary."

However, a military source told the Free Press explosives are the "bread and butter" of all combat engineers.

While there are members of the army reserves with more advanced training, the source said Mathews spent months learning how to use explosives and has participated in countless exercises involving explosives.

It is not known when the military investigation will conclude. It is also unclear what action — if any — the forces will take against Mathews, although Bourque said there are several options at their disposal, including termination.

During the interview, Bourque seemed unfamiliar with the violent neo-Nazi organization; when a reporter asked if the military had confirmed Mathews is a member of The Base, she got confused and thought the reporter was referring to a military base.

Maybe the Free Press reporter, like me, came to a judgement (though opposing) by listening to the presser as it was ongoing live.  I specifically remember the question being put to Col Bourque and (probably like her) my first thought was "why is this reporter asking about the soldier being on the base, doesn't he know that reservists don't live and work on bases - what the f*** is this arsehole talking about - he should have some basic background about how the military works before getting into a related story".  It was only when he explained what he meant by "base" did his question make sense to me.  The reporter wasn't clear in his question - one of the things I learned long, long ago about communication and interviewing (on my JLC) was that it's a two way street and it is important for the interviewer to know the context and terminology that the interviewee expects.

I thought that Col Bourque handled herself reasonably well during the presser.  If it had been me, I probably would have replied to the "base question" similarly to my thought in italics in previous paragraph.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 21, 2019, 15:04:02
>Some reservist who allegedly is part of an online hate group and allegedly is recruiting for them gets the full ERT cordon and search on his home a week after reports of the investigation has leaked.

I'm hoping we get a press release explaining why it was necessary.  I care about civil liberties much more than I care about harassing any of the gangs in this country.  I don't want the tolerances of the country to be as narrow as the tolerances of the CAF (with which I agree).

You won’t, because it’s none of your business. From what has been reported, police announced that they were executing a warrant on the residence. That tells me that they were able to persuade a judge or justice that grounds existed to enter the residence to search for something. It may have been evidence of a criminal offense, it may have been a judicial authorization to search for and seize firearms due to a revocation by a firearms officer. It may have been both. As for why ERT was present, that will have been based on their risk assessment, which would be based on much more information than you or I have access to.

Police are not in the habit of routinely holding pressers to explain why an authorized search was carried out in a specific fashion. I think you *can* be assured that this wasn’t simply a matter of him holding ‘wrong’ views and having an ERT team show up as a result. There would have to be much more to it than that in order to get judicial authorization. And at the end of the day, the police are still bound by privacy legislation that precludes them from explaining to your satisfaction why they did what they did.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 21, 2019, 15:58:34
I wonder if the ERT had EOD assets since the target was an explosives expert

Kidding, but serious question about firearms.

Can the RCMP contact their firearms office and say we suspect so and so may be violent, can you revoke his firearms licence? Where the CFO then could revoke someone's license making them illegally in possession of firearms which the RCMP could then go before a judge and a search warrant for said firearms?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 21, 2019, 16:27:31
I wonder if the ERT had EOD assets since the target was an explosives expert

Kidding, but serious question about firearms.

Can the RCMP contact their firearms office and say we suspect so and so may be violent, can you revoke his firearms licence? Where the CFO then could revoke someone's license making them illegally in possession of firearms which the RCMP could then go before a judge and a search warrant for said firearms?

Not precisely that easily, but the same end can be achieved. S.117.04 of the criminal code allows police to apply to a justice for a warrant to search and seize firearms or other prohibited/restricted weapons/devices on the grounds that it’s not desirable for the safety of that person or of any other that they possess firearms. There are also ‘exigent circumstances’ that allow for this to be done with a warrant if the grounds for a warrant are met but it would be impractical to obtain one (usually this is in the context of an emergency self harm / domestic violence situation).

I’m less clear on what happens on the CFO side of things, though i know they are routinely notified of criminal matters that could trigger firearms license revocations.

I’m not speculating on this specific case. What we do know does conceivably fit this set of circumstances. I could certainly see police applying for such a search and seizure in the case of someone known to have firearms and who is reasonably suspected to be advocating political violence.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on August 21, 2019, 18:03:31
The Winnipeg Free Press had an article on the front page and an editorial.
The author of the article really did a hatchet job on Gwen Borque. Not too impressed with his bias or that’s the way I perceive it.
The author of the article tried to infilatrate the group & got the scoop on this.

Yeah, he doesn't understand the military - BIG time ...
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brad Sallows on August 21, 2019, 18:03:56
>You won’t, because it’s none of your business.

Everything agents of the government - who ultimately all work on behalf of all of us - do is our, hence my, business.  I don't mean police need to provide info on their own initiative with each investigative step they take; I'd only expect them to do so if directed.  Who so directs?  I'd like the political masters to at least confirm there was some solid justification.  Right now, I see nothing that changed except the public shitstorm.  The guy was under investigation and it's just coincidence that the police decided to move at this time?  Doubtful.  There was a pressing need to take him into custody?  Apparently not for long.

The more people hide behind "none of your business", the more sunlight I want to shine on them and the more I want to limit their power.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brad Sallows on August 21, 2019, 18:09:48
"a military source"

Who, exactly, I wonder?  I call bullshit - a Res F member may have spent a total of "months" on courses and may have participated in many exercises over, say, 8 years, but to give the impression of "months" of hands-on with one particular skill is misleading.  "A military source" should know better.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 21, 2019, 18:16:54
>You won’t, because it’s none of your business.

Everything agents of the government - who ultimately all work on behalf of all of us - do is our, hence my, business.  I don't mean police need to provide info on their own initiative with each investigative step they take; I'd only expect them to do so if directed.  Who so directs?  I'd like the political masters to at least confirm there was some solid justification.  Right now, I see nothing that changed except the public shitstorm.  The guy was under investigation and it's just coincidence that the police decided to move at this time?  Doubtful.  There was a pressing need to take him into custody?  Apparently not for long.

The more people hide behind "none of your business", the more sunlight I want to shine on them and the more I want to limit their power.

Fortunately there exists a mechanism by which you can learn everything you’re legally entitled to know. Here you go. It’ll cost you $5 and take about 5-10 minutes to submit the request; I’ve done it before and it’s pretty easy.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/making-a-request-the-access-information-act

Alternatively you can probably submit a request through Manitoba court records for any related filings e.g., Informations to Obtain for search warrants and such.

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brad Sallows on August 21, 2019, 19:02:52
Why waste $5?  I've seen PR conferences before; another one would not be unusual.  If the grown-ups don't feel a need to explain why it was important to do this now instead of a few weeks or months ago, or that this is the first inkling they have of this group, its membership, and what it's all about, then they won't.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 21, 2019, 19:24:16
Why waste $5?  I've seen PR conferences before; another one would not be unusual.  If the grown-ups don't feel a need to explain why it was important to do this now instead of a few weeks or months ago, or that this is the first inkling they have of this group, its membership, and what it's all about, then they won't.

I’m gonna take a second to take the opportunity to apologize- my last reply was unnecessarily condescending, and I was accurately and fairly called out for that. Sorry for that; there was nothing you said that was deserving of scorn.

There is some stuff they can and will release; some stuff they can’t and won’t. By and large people want to know a lot about why police do certain things, but often there are significant legal barriers to saying much. It results in a lot of actions being necessarily opaque. Often it eventually becomes possible to speak of due to some things becoming public record through various legal proceedings, but often by the time that happens interest has faded.

I have to resist speculating on this case because it wouldn’t be appropriate for me to. I will say that I don’t find any of what we’ve seen surprising given what I know about the authorities police have to act in certain cases. I don’t find how it was done surprising given some of the things we already know, and the reasonable inference that those investigation the file know more than we do.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 21, 2019, 22:38:47
I care about civil liberties much more than I care about harassing any of the gangs in this country. 

I am quite the opposite, especially if it concerns groups of people preparing for a non-existent *war* within our borders.  Do you really think the word "harassment" fits in this particular case? 

>You won’t, because it’s none of your business.

Everything agents of the government - who ultimately all work on behalf of all of us - do is our, hence my, business.  I don't mean police need to provide info on their own initiative with each investigative step they take; I'd only expect them to do so if directed.  Who so directs?  I'd like the political masters to at least confirm there was some solid justification.  Right now, I see nothing that changed except the public shitstorm.  The guy was under investigation and it's just coincidence that the police decided to move at this time?  Doubtful.  There was a pressing need to take him into custody?  Apparently not for long.

The more people hide behind "none of your business", the more sunlight I want to shine on them and the more I want to limit their power.

Why would political masters need to confirm they were justified?  You're worried about 'shining light'...I'm more worried about the folks running around preparing for the "imminent race war".  I'd rather the RCMP and political masters take precautionary actions to stop stupid, dangerous people from doing stupid, dangerous things.  *An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure*

I'm not seeing a possible Enemy of the State  (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120660/)storyline here...personally, I think this topic  (https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,127373.0.html)is far, far more concerning and one you should be demanding answers from your political masters about.   :2c:
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brad Sallows on August 22, 2019, 02:39:35
>I'd rather the RCMP and political masters take precautionary actions to stop stupid, dangerous people from doing stupid, dangerous things.

I believe I understand the sentiment, and actually share it, but that is superceded (negated, in effect) by my belief that people have the right to be stupid and dangerous, to form associations among themselves, and to talk about stupid and dangerous things openly provided they are not conspiring to commit crimes or imminently going to commit one.

I welcome any plausible scenario which inspires confidence in the authorities.  Some scenarios that do not:

1. They didn't know about the group.
2. They knew about the group, but not the member.
3. They knew about the group and the guy, and assessed a threat meriting seizures and arrests, but chose not to act until recent circumstances forced their hand.  (Major embarrassment still to come if this is the case and facts to that effect emerge.)
4. They knew about the group and the guy, and assessed no threat meriting action at this time, but decided to stage a show because of political embarrassment.

If the group is such a problem, I would have expected a lot of other noise before now and more to follow.  Otherwise I am inclined to view this as (4).
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: FSTO on August 22, 2019, 06:40:28
Don't worry, the likes of Jesse Brown and Canadaland will be all over this as proof that the White Patriarchy CAF is rife with white nationalists.

And as predicted CanadaLand breathlessly reports that "WE HAVE A NAZI PROBLEM IN CANADA!"

Go to the 23 minute of this podcast.
https://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/227-scandal-what-scandal/

But on second thought, what else is our media to think when they are utterly ignorant of the Canadian military?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Larry Strong on August 22, 2019, 08:42:00
Remember "SHARP" training??......this will probably be worse.........

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/military-faces-calls-to-train-soldiers-to-identify-neo-nazis-hate-group-members-1.4560275




Cheers
Larry
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Remius on August 22, 2019, 09:40:45
Remember "SHARP" training??......this will probably be worse.........

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/military-faces-calls-to-train-soldiers-to-identify-neo-nazis-hate-group-members-1.4560275




Cheers
Larry

Meh, just do a survey lol.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on August 22, 2019, 10:13:12
And as predicted CanadaLand breathlessly reports that "WE HAVE A NAZI PROBLEM IN CANADA!"

Go to the 23 minute of this podcast.
https://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/227-scandal-what-scandal/
Full quote from Jesse during a 1 minute summary of this and another Vice story from Nova Scotia:  "We have a Nazi problem and we have a Nazis with guns problem in Canada."
...what else is our media to think when they are utterly ignorant of the Canadian military?
With the exception of very, very few reporters trying hard to get it right, bang on.  That may also be a reflection (at least in part) that the military isn't glowing brightly on the radar of most Canadians in general.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 22, 2019, 11:21:00
>I'd rather the RCMP and political masters take precautionary actions to stop stupid, dangerous people from doing stupid, dangerous things.

I believe I understand the sentiment, and actually share it, but that is superceded (negated, in effect) by my belief that people have the right to be stupid and dangerous, to form associations among themselves, and to talk about stupid and dangerous things openly provided they are not conspiring to commit crimes or imminently going to commit one.

I welcome any plausible scenario which inspires confidence in the authorities.  Some scenarios that do not:

1. They didn't know about the group.
2. They knew about the group, but not the member.
3. They knew about the group and the guy, and assessed a threat meriting seizures and arrests, but chose not to act until recent circumstances forced their hand.  (Major embarrassment still to come if this is the case and facts to that effect emerge.)
4. They knew about the group and the guy, and assessed no threat meriting action at this time, but decided to stage a show because of political embarrassment.

If the group is such a problem, I would have expected a lot of other noise before now and more to follow.  Otherwise I am inclined to view this as (4).

If I had to make a guess I’d go with 2. Certainly the group would have been on the radar by virtue of the postering campaign at a minimum, and probably criminal intelligence sharing with US authorities. Knowing they exist though, it would have been challenging to attach that to a specific individual. It appears the reporter’s infiltration of the network achieved that.

Out of curiosity did you catch the first WFP article about the infiltration of the group before it went behind a paywall? It was, to say the least, concerning in its relegations of concrete preparation for violent conflict and their hopes of inviting a ‘race war’. If a CAF member is tied to same, that IS a big deal. We aren’t talking about simply ‘harassing gangs’ here. The white supremacist movement has national security implications.

If an organization says they want a violent political conflict, and if they actively travel and train with weapons, and if they trough infiltration of the military acquire skill sets that would be dangerous if misused, why should that not be taken very seriously?

A lot of the national security world has to work in that blurry space that exists before concrete plots or conspiracies can be said to exist. Disrupting and preventing mobilization to action or the development or viable plots are valid approaches. Putting some heat on an identified threat before plans solidify can help to dissuade them. We also know well by now how quickly someone can move along the spectrum of radicalization and mobilize towards violent action. Would you have our national security infrastructure simply assume that anything they detect has progressed no further than is readily apparent to investigators?

You identify one of these individuals, taking their guns away is at least a good start. And even at that there is satisfactory due process in place.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: CloudCover on August 22, 2019, 11:47:07
this is why shoddy, irrational, outrage orientated, undercover styled “investigative journalism” creates more problems than it solves, and it serves interests and purposes that run counter to law and justice. 

If the evidence that lead to the search, seizure, arrest and possible charges are in large part based on this journalist, and if that moron goes writing about it, claims privilege over sources, embellished, changes, alters, withholds any of it or was contributing in any way to amping the behaviours, then this case may done - at least in criminal law.

And if the MND knew about this well beforehand, and used his political office to monitor and coordinate actions such as the recent request for a separate investigation, then he was possibly conspiring with the media or using information from the media unobjectively and for political purposes.

None of that takes away from the seriousness of the matter, but it taints the whole criminal case.

As for the military career, it sounds like his months were numbered anyway.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on August 22, 2019, 11:56:23
If the evidence that lead to the search, seizure, arrest and possible charges are in large part based on this journalist, and if that moron goes writing about it,

Is name-calling necessary to make your point?

The reporter's name, by the way, is Ryan Thorpe,
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/biographies/484870951.html
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Remius on August 22, 2019, 12:25:13
this is why shoddy, irrational, outrage orientated, undercover styled “investigative journalism” creates more problems than it solves, and it serves interests and purposes that run counter to law and justice. 

If the evidence that lead to the search, seizure, arrest and possible charges are in large part based on this journalist, and if that moron goes writing about it, claims privilege over sources, embellished, changes, alters, withholds any of it or was contributing in any way to amping the behaviours, then this case may done - at least in criminal law.


What was shoddy and irrational about his journalism?

They start seeing posters from a known extremist group looking to recruit.  There's a story there so he tries to get one by going undercover.  once in he sees and hears things that make him decided that he needs to tell the police.  Sounds like a responsible citizen to me.

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on August 22, 2019, 12:38:50
this is why shoddy, irrational, outrage orientated, undercover styled “investigative journalism” creates more problems than it solves, and it serves interests and purposes that run counter to law and justice. 

If the evidence that lead to the search, seizure, arrest and possible charges are in large part based on this journalist, and if that moron goes writing about it, claims privilege over sources, embellished, changes, alters, withholds any of it or was contributing in any way to amping the behaviours, then this case may done - at least in criminal law.

And if the MND knew about this well beforehand, and used his political office to monitor and coordinate actions such as the recent request for a separate investigation, then he was possibly conspiring with the media or using information from the media unobjectively and for political purposes.

None of that takes away from the seriousness of the matter, but it taints the whole criminal case.

As for the military career, it sounds like his months were numbered anyway.

That's all extremely speculative. Much of what you allude to would be caught in the process of getting a warrant- a judge or justice, in reading the Information to Obtain, would be looking at the sourcing of information. An ITO has to have full, frank, and fair disclosure, including exculpatory evidence. This is not a file that would have been investigated by the junior member of the local detachment. This would have been experienced members who know what must be done and how to do it properly.

I'm going to take a second to point out that your air-quoting of "investigative journalism" is unfair, as investigative journalism is exactly what it was and is part of what we should expect from our fourth estate. We expect our press to identify and to highlight problems within our society. It appears that that probably shone more light and offered more detail on something police were aware of generally, but with insufficient information to take action on. I'm bloody sure that they would not have acted solely based on the information presented in a single news article, and that probably this just helped that put together a few specific details that were lacking - attaching a 'who' to a 'what' for instance.

I do not see a problem being created by this journalist or his reporting. On the contrary he took a problem that already existed and dragged it kicking and screaming into the open. Charges may result; they may not. There may not have been offences quite yet committed, though it looks like if not, they were going to. In national security, a 'win' is often not the same as a court conviction. A win may be disrupting an organization of lone actor, prevent things from going further, and gaining more intelligence on what the bigger threat picture looks like. Again bear in mind that this is an organization that is known to operate on both sides of the border. We can safely assume that US authorities are working their side of it actively, and that there is communication across the border between authorities.

It would be foolish, I think, to predicate any angry declaration with 'If...' and then go on to assume that this investigation is dependent on a single investigative journalist's report. It would certainly be of value, but they need and would go on a lot more than just that.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on August 22, 2019, 13:24:08
… did you catch the first WFP article about the infiltration of the group before it went behind a paywall? ...
For the record, here's the link (https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/homegrown-hate-547510902.html) again to try, and here's a PDF version that's downloadable (http://tonyprudori.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/135071631/winnipegfreepress.com-Inside%20a%20neo-Nazi%20group%20attempting%20to%20gain%20a%20foothold%20in%20Winnipeg%20and%20acro.pdf) (too big to attach), all shared under the Fair Dealing provisions of Canada's Copyright Act (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-42/page-9.html#h-103270).
It would be foolish, I think, to predicate any angry declaration with 'If...' and then go on to assume that this investigation is dependent on a single investigative journalist's report ...
True - if this was the case, this guy (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/isis-abu-huzaifa-investigators-1.4669769) would already be locked up, right?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 22, 2019, 13:28:40
And as predicted CanadaLand breathlessly reports that "WE HAVE A NAZI PROBLEM IN CANADA!"

Go to the 23 minute of this podcast.
https://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/227-scandal-what-scandal/

But on second thought, what else is our media to think when they are utterly ignorant of the Canadian military?

I can't remember the guys name off the top of my head, FBJ posted his video here a month or two ago. Ex RCMP intelligence contractor and terrorism expert. He was discussing among other things Canada adding names to the hate groups list or whatever.

I found it interesting when he spoke about Nazi's and how the last time actual Neo-Nazi's killed anyone in Canada was 20 years ago or something and it was one neo-nazi killing his own, also neo-nazi, brother.

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on August 22, 2019, 13:37:41
I can't remember the guys name off the top of my head,

I remember his name. I will not post it.

I found it interesting when he spoke about Nazi's and how the last time actual Neo-Nazi's killed anyone in Canada was 20 years ago or something and it was one neo-nazi killing his own, also neo-nazi, brother.

I think I can guess who you may be referring to.
https://www.thedominican.net/articles/droege.htm
Wolfgang Droege a white supremacist who spent three years in prison for attempting to overthrow the government of Eugenia Charles in Dominica, was reportedly shot dead in a suburban Toronto apartment on April 14, 2005.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brad Sallows on August 22, 2019, 14:04:28
>If an organization says they want a violent political conflict, and if they actively travel and train with weapons, and if they trough infiltration of the military acquire skill sets that would be dangerous if misused, why should that not be taken very seriously?

It should be taken seriously.

>that blurry space

Acknowledged.  This is the hard part.  As hobbies, people learn martial arts, learn weapons and collect them, shoot for sport including "combat"-style ranges, can read anything they please about weapons, tactics, strategy, etc.  People (and not just "whites") may speculate about a coming race war, believe they have to prepare for a coming race war, threaten a race war, start a race war.  Somewhere in that spectrum (at or before the last phase) intervention is imperative.  Up to some point, intervention is illiberal and the risk has to be tolerated.

I know we can handle a substantial degree of risk without over-reacting, because we've done so in the past where aggrieved gangs/groups with weapons are concerned.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brad Sallows on August 22, 2019, 14:22:59
"military-faces-calls-to-train-soldiers-to-identify-neo-nazis-hate-group-members"

Time and money.  The Res F particularly has limits to both.  Big picture, there are more pressing targets for finite resources.  Yes, it means accepting the risk with status quo.  Repeat the terms "opportunity cost" and "utilitarian" to the critics until they properly understand where their concerns fit in.

As for the proto-totalitarians out there concern-trolling in the media, my private life (friends, associations, activities) was none of the government's - or the leadership's - damn business when I was a reservist.  Without cause to go poking around, we don't - full stop.

Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Remius on August 22, 2019, 14:42:01
I remember his name. I will not post it.

I think I can guess who you may be referring to.
https://www.thedominican.net/articles/droege.htm
Wolfgang Droege a white supremacist who spent three years in prison for attempting to overthrow the government of Eugenia Charles in Dominica, was reportedly shot dead in a suburban Toronto apartment on April 14, 2005.

Droege was killed by a delusional drug user not a fellow new Nazi.  I don't remember that incident but I do remember the issues the reform party had at the time with white supremacists infiltrating the party and him being kicked out.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on August 22, 2019, 15:13:03
Droege was killed by a delusional drug user not a fellow new Nazi. 

May also have involved an argument over a woman. Wasn't much to go on in Reply #69. Droege was my guess.

A bit more on Wolfgang,

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In 1994, Mr. Droege's ambitions of creating a racist mass-movement in Canada were dealt a significant blow when it emerged that his right-hand man in the Heritage Front was in fact a Canadian Security Intelligence Service mole named Grant Bristow.

Michael Boudreau, a professor of criminology at St. Thomas University who studies hate groups, said Mr. Droege was finished politically after the Bristow affair.

"I think he felt betrayed by that," Prof. Boudreau said. "People questioned his leadership. How astute is Droege that he fell victim to a government spy?"

He added that Mr. Droege's death marks the end of an era for the extreme right.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/droege-killed-by-friend-police-say/article978842/


Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 22, 2019, 18:03:18
I remember his name. I will not post it.

Why not?


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I think I can guess who you may be referring to.
I'm not too sure.

I felt like the point he was trying to drive home was that while Neo-Nazis C18 and Blood & Honour are reprehensible they may not be the nation shattering security risk they're being made out to be.

Which leads me to a weird moments reflection of mine and how much the medias shapes our lives.

When Russel Williams committed his crimes I didn't feel tarnished by his actions at all. Nothing to do with me or my service. He's a psycho murder that just happened to work in the same 95'000 strong corporation that I do.

The other day I (white,shaved head, beard, tattoos) was in uniform walking past crowds of Muslim men women and children in what appeared to be a predominately Muslim neighborhood*.  My first thought was I wonder if they think I'm a neo-nazi like that MCpl allegedly is. And it was such a weird thing because I've never thought of someone seeing me like that before.

Why would that pop in my head?  Is it because Canada (including the military) has "a neo-nazi problem"? Numbers don't seem to support that.
Guilty by association? I don't feel associated with other CAF members doing stupid crap.
Is it because the media has pushed a subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) narrative these last few years that conservatives mean right wing and right wing means racists and nazis?

 :Tin-Foil-Hat:

*want to mention they were absolutely polite and friendly with me. Hit some of em with the old you like army video games? how about camping and shooting guns? Suckers.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brad Sallows on August 22, 2019, 19:14:40
Sometimes early takes on stories become amusing as details emerge over time.  Current headlines on cbc.ca:

"Reservist suspected of neo-Nazi ties prompts questions about whether signals missed by military" (older)

"Top general says military started dealing with suspected neo-Nazi in the spring" (newer)

The how-did-they-miss-what-the-reporter-found story is dead; emphasis should shift to regardless-we-need-more-precautions (a "system" will never be perfect, so the latter is evergreen; no mitigation can ever converge on goalposts as they recede into the distance).
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Monsoon on August 22, 2019, 20:55:19
The how-did-they-miss-what-the-reporter-found story is dead; emphasis should shift to regardless-we-need-more-precautions (a "system" will never be perfect, so the latter is evergreen; no mitigation can ever converge on goalposts as they recede into the distance).
Perhaps eventually things will swing around to the "How did something the military was dealing with for months end up on the front page of a newspaper followed shortly by a high-profile arrest, days after MND announced his anti-racism initiative two months before an election?" angle.

Nah, it never seems to make it that far, does it.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Retired AF Guy on August 22, 2019, 20:57:38
I remember his name. I will not post it.

Just curious but why?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on August 22, 2019, 21:31:44
I just don't buy into the ideas he's selling. I see no need to promote him.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on August 22, 2019, 22:11:18
Great points, Jarnhamar -- guilt by association sucks & shouldn't happen, but some people paint groups with a broad brush based on the idiocy of a few thanks to narratives being pushed all over the place, not just by MSM.  It only takes a few idiots to make any group look bad, and undereducated media doesn't help.
... walking past crowds of Muslim men women and children in what appeared to be a predominately Muslim neighborhood ... want to mention they were absolutely polite and friendly with me ...
You've given a fair bit of thought to how you felt in the situation, so how about a slightly different variation on the same theme?  Wonder how these folks feel after an attack ISIS/Daesh takes credit for?  Whether they wonder if people looking at them think they're terrorists?  If they feel associated with other Muslims doing stupid crap?  Whether they consider any ISIS-linked attacker a psycho murderer that just happens to be associated with the same million or so member religion here in Canada* that they are?

* - Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada)
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 22, 2019, 22:40:49
Thanks Milnews. Already picking up what you're laying down :)

When something happens in the news we race to look for crap to be outraged about. Canadian soldier killed overseas. It's been half a day, why didn't Trudeau tweet his sympathies? Whats taking him so long to acknowledge the death? He doesn't sound sincere. He hates the army. There was a right wing extremist attack, why hasn't Sheer condemned alt-right and racism yet? He tweet sympathies but he doesn't sound sincere. He's racist.

On that note, when there's an Islamic attack it seems like there's a pressure for Muslims to apologize for the attack or loudly proclaim they don't support Islamic violence and they condemn the attacks. Why should Muslims feel obligated to apologize for what another Muslim does? I don't think they should. Same goes for us and people being assholes in uniform. Why do we need to apologize? We don't. Off track a bit sorry.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on August 22, 2019, 22:47:19
When something happens in the news we race to look for crap to be outraged about.
That.  Right.  There.  And from all sides. #TheOutrageBusNeedsPassengers

Same goes for us and people being assholes in uniform. Why do we need to apologize? We don't.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: BeyondTheNow on August 23, 2019, 07:13:17
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On that note, when there's an Islamic attack it seems like there's a pressure for Muslims to apologize for the attack or loudly proclaim they don't support Islamic violence and they condemn the attacks. Why should Muslims feel obligated to apologize for what another Muslim does? I don't think they should. Same goes for us and people being assholes in uniform. Why do we need to apologize? We don't. Off track a bit sorry.

Apologizing on behalf of a group or family in any way affiliated with an individual (or persons in some cases) who conduct themselves poorly is necessary. Why? Because many outsiders are prone to blanket thinking. Sure, CAF doesn’t have to apologize/denounce, religious groups don’t have to apologize/denounce, family members of murderers, etc. don’t have to apologize for the actions of anyone who tarnishes their reputation. But it’s the first step in damage control, as well as expressing empathy and sympathy where appropriate to those who have been affected. Also, by not acknowledging the behaviours in any fashion, it can be construed as the groups being apathetic, or passively allowing the actions to continue.

I agree that many media outlets inflate, exaggerate and often bring unnecessary negative attention to situations. But for any largely visible corporation, organization or group, or even smaller and more private circles (such as a family), it’s more or less essential for someone to express openly that the actions of one do not/should not reflect on the rest of the population. Again, it’s because too many are very narrow in their thinking and find it easy to blacklist an entire area of people.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: daftandbarmy on August 23, 2019, 12:29:16
Why not?

I'm not too sure.

I felt like the point he was trying to drive home was that while Neo-Nazis C18 and Blood & Honour are reprehensible they may not be the nation shattering security risk they're being made out to be.

Which leads me to a weird moments reflection of mine and how much the medias shapes our lives.

When Russel Williams committed his crimes I didn't feel tarnished by his actions at all. Nothing to do with me or my service. He's a psycho murder that just happened to work in the same 95'000 strong corporation that I do.

The other day I (white,shaved head, beard, tattoos) was in uniform walking past crowds of Muslim men women and children in what appeared to be a predominately Muslim neighborhood*.  My first thought was I wonder if they think I'm a neo-nazi like that MCpl allegedly is. And it was such a weird thing because I've never thought of someone seeing me like that before.

Why would that pop in my head?  Is it because Canada (including the military) has "a neo-nazi problem"? Numbers don't seem to support that.
Guilty by association? I don't feel associated with other CAF members doing stupid crap.
Is it because the media has pushed a subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) narrative these last few years that conservatives mean right wing and right wing means racists and nazis?

 :Tin-Foil-Hat:

*want to mention they were absolutely polite and friendly with me. Hit some of em with the old you like army video games? how about camping and shooting guns? Suckers.

A male with a shaved head and a beard, in a Muslim community? You could probably pass as a local :)

Tangentially, there's alot of research out there about the media and stereotyping, viz:

"In many cases the immediate effects of stereotype activation fade after a few minutes, but regardless of their duration, each activation reinforces stereotypic thinking in the long run. Additionally, evidence suggests that once a stereotype is activated, it can be reactivated by something as simple as a disagreement with someone in the stereotyped group, and if brought to mind frequently enough, can become chronically accessible (Ford, 1997; Kunda, Davies, Adams, & Spencer, 2002). Thus, even though media-based stereotypes may seem harmless when considered individually, their cumulative effect over time can be substantial."

https://secure.understandingprejudice.org/apa/english/page16.htm
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Singh47 on August 26, 2019, 09:58:41
I feel like a lot of people hate me for existing. Speaking to other Sikh there's a similar sentiment that the majority of the forces don't care or are actively involved in making us feel unwelcome.

I sincerely hope this probe will change the army culture and make others more aware of matters of perception.

A funny example is someone asking me a question about Sikhi then complaining to a warrant that I'm trying to push my beliefs on people.

There's a certain mindset that there are a single set of Canadian norms and values which must be obeyed by everyone. Any deviation must be punished systematically, and frankly this perception is extremely racist no matter who it's coming from.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: FSTO on August 26, 2019, 10:02:53
I feel like a lot of people hate me for existing. Speaking to other Sikh there's a similar sentiment that the majority of the forces don't care or are actively involved in making us feel unwelcome.

Since its Monday I'll have to ask you this. Are you saying that that the CAF doesn't care that you are Sikh? Or that the CAF is actively discriminating against your faith?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Remius on August 26, 2019, 10:24:25
I feel like a lot of people hate me for existing. Speaking to other Sikh there's a similar sentiment that the majority of the forces don't care or are actively involved in making us feel unwelcome.

How do you figure the majority?  I don't hate you for existing.  But I'm not the majority so I don't know for sure.  My colleagues wouldn't hate you for existing either.

I would start to hate you if you failed to return my calls, not show up when you said you would or fail to follow direction.  But that has nothing to do with your faith. 
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Journeyman on August 26, 2019, 10:54:20
I feel like a lot of people hate me for existing.
I just took a quick look through your posting history;  I suspect it may not be your mere existence that causes peoples' negative feelings -- it may be a reaction rather than some overarching bigotry.

 :2c:
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Blackadder1916 on August 28, 2019, 00:36:43
The inevitable and expected reaction, though maybe a little earlier than expected.  Interesting to note that he, supposedly, already had his release in, though his release item will likely not be the one that he expected.  However, unless reserve release administration has improved considerably since my time, he possibly could have been on the books for another couple of years if this situation hadn't come up.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-fired-1.5262197
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Army reservist fired over alleged links to neo-Nazi group

Master Cpl. Patrik Mathews 'will not be returning to work,' military says

Ahmar Khan · CBC News · Posted: Aug 27, 2019 9:07 PM CT

An army reservist whose alleged links to a neo-Nazi group led to a raid on his rural Manitoba home last week has been fired, according to the Department of National Defence.
 
Master Cpl. Patrik Mathews, a member of the Winnipeg-based 38 Canadian Brigade Group, "will no longer be a participant in military activities in any form, and will not be returning to work," a military spokesperson wrote in an email to CBC News.

"This action was deemed necessary, considering the seriousness of the allegations and the risk to unit morale and cohesion."
 
The military and RCMP are investigating his alleged ties to The Base, an organization that promotes hate, for which he is alleged to have recruited. Posters for the group began popping up around Winnipeg in late July.
 
Mathews requested a release from the Canadian Armed Forces in April, according to the spokesperson. It is not known why. He was with the Forces for eight years, worked as a combat engineer and was trained in the use of explosives.
 
The RCMP raided Mathews' home in Beausejour, Man. last week and seized multiple firearms. He has not been charged with a crime.

'Favoured recruiting ground'
 
Mubin Shaikh, a former CSIS analyst and counter-terrorism expert, says he wasn't surprised by Mathews' removal, and says the publicity surrounding the story might have contributed to the decision.
 
"It's hard to know if the public pressure is what forced the hand of the Canadian Forces in this regard," Shaikh told CBC News.
 
He says there might be others in the military with similar ideologies.
 
"The military is a favoured recruiting ground for white supremacists. It's also a place where they've long since talked about obtaining training by joining the military," Shaikh said.
 
But this case also hands the military an opportunity to weed out extremists.
 
"The Canadian Armed Forces is going to use to use this as an instance, as an example, as precedent," said Shaikh.

"I can guarantee you that there are soldiers all over the country reading that story and getting the message that, listen, we literally can't be a Canadian and a supporter of Naziism."
 
Further details about Mathews are covered under the Privacy Act and the military declined further comment.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Target Up on August 28, 2019, 08:57:08
I feel like a lot of people hate me for existing. Speaking to other Sikh there's a similar sentiment that the majority of the forces don't care or are actively involved in making us feel unwelcome.

I sincerely hope this probe will change the army culture and make others more aware of matters of perception.

A funny example is someone asking me a question about Sikhi then complaining to a warrant that I'm trying to push my beliefs on people.

There's a certain mindset that there are a single set of Canadian norms and values which must be obeyed by everyone. Any deviation must be punished systematically, and frankly this perception is extremely racist no matter who it's coming from.

Going over your posts, and the replies to them, I'm forced to come to the conclusion that the only person who has a problem with you being a Sikh, is you.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 28, 2019, 13:36:32
Not that I am sticking up for this particular individual...but aren't they just allegations at this point...the whole "innocent until proven guilty" concept?

Unless he is being released as if nothing had happened...isn't giving him an unfavourable release item at this point pre-emptive?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 28, 2019, 13:52:52
Quote from: Blackadder1916
The inevitable and expected reaction, though maybe a little earlier than expected.  Interesting to note that he, supposedly, already had his release in, though his release item will likely not be the one that he expected.  However, unless reserve release administration has improved considerably since my time, he possibly could have been on the books for another couple of years if this situation hadn't come up.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-fired-1.5262197

Couple questions come to mind.

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This action was deemed necessary, considering the seriousness of the allegations and the risk to unit morale and cohesion.

Would this fall under the umbrella of being treated guilty without being found guilty? Does the CAF treat sex offenders in our ranks the same way?

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"The military is a favoured recruiting ground for white supremacists. It's also a place where they've long since talked about obtaining training by joining the military," Shaikh said.

And in the last 10 or 15 (or 20?) years there were those 16 cases of members with ties to hate groups. Or even the 60 associated with. Is the military really afavored recruiting ground? Are they just really unsuccessful? Or really good at hiding it?


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Mathews requested a release from the Canadian Armed Forces in April

Postulation: This guy wants to leave the CAF, submits the paperwork and we do what we do best. Now he gets smashed into the spotlight and now the CAF rushes to release him (as per his request) and try and make it seem like we're kicking him to the curb.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on August 28, 2019, 14:19:28
… And in the last 10 or 15 (or 20?) years there were those 16 cases of members with ties to hate groups. Or even the 60 associated with. Is the military really afavored recruiting ground? Are they just really unsuccessful? Or really good at hiding it? ...
Semantically speaking, a "favoured recruiting ground" doesn't necessarily mean a successful one - just like someone's "favoured" fishing spot.  "We would _really_ like more people like x" =/= "We're really good at getting more people like x"

I also suspect, depending on the individuals, the value of even a few such folks making it in might be more important than their raw numbers.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: MARS on August 28, 2019, 14:24:11
And now he has apparently gone "missing", at least according to his boss at his full-time employment, who isn't being named, because... reasons

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-matthews-neo-nazi-army-reservist-missing-1.5262251
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Hamish Seggie on August 28, 2019, 14:25:23
It would be more beneficial to have him tossed out 5(f) or whatever release item applies that would preclude him from re-enrolling.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 28, 2019, 14:32:17
Maybe 2(a)?

2 Unsatisfactory Service

a. Unsatisfactory Conduct

by reason of unsatisfactory civil conduct, or conviction of an offence by a civil court, of a serious nature not related to the performance of his duties but reflecting discredit on the Service.

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However, last week, Gen. Jonathan Vance, chief of defence staff, said the military had already been talking to Mathews about some of his viewpoints.
 
"In April he had undergone the first step of administrative response to his utterances. And thereafter, as I understand it, he decided to put in his release," Vance told reporters.

Complete WAG on my part, but it is likely the paperwork was already processing and was expedited once the story broke, and the G1 folks got everything stamped and signed off.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: AbdullahD on August 28, 2019, 14:42:55
And now he has apparently gone "missing", at least according to his boss at his full-time employment, who isn't being named, because... reasons

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-matthews-neo-nazi-army-reservist-missing-1.5262251

This, I found extremely interesting and potentially concerning. Hopefully, it is nothing and not him having now been spurred into action like I worry.

Devils advocate... if the charges against hin have been exaggerated for or well by the media.. maybe he is just hiding out from all of it?

Abdullah
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 28, 2019, 14:55:45
And...this is also important at this point:

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On Monday, Beausejour RCMP in Manitoba got a missing persons report for Patrik Mathews, 26, who was last seen by family members on Saturday evening and was reported missing Monday.

"This is a missing person investigation. There is no warrant for arrest and there are no charges pending against the individual."


Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 28, 2019, 15:26:45
Semantically speaking, a "favoured recruiting ground" doesn't necessarily mean a successful one - just like someone's "favoured" fishing spot.  "We would _really_ like more people like x" =/= "We're really good at getting more people like x"

As always I am ever enlightened by your attention to detail :). You're right of course. Good point.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Fishbone Jones on August 28, 2019, 15:59:41
I can't remember the guys name off the top of my head, FBJ posted his video here a month or two ago. Ex RCMP intelligence contractor and terrorism expert. He was discussing among other things Canada adding names to the hate groups list or whatever.

I found it interesting when he spoke about Nazi's and how the last time actual Neo-Nazi's killed anyone in Canada was 20 years ago or something and it was one neo-nazi killing his own, also neo-nazi, brother.

His name is Tom Quiggan.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/biography/Tom+Quiggin

Tom Quiggin is a former military intelligence officer, a former intelligence contractor for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and a court appointed expert on jihadist terrorism in both the Federal and criminal courts of Canada. He is the author of SUBMISSION: The Danger of Political Islam to Canada – With a Warning to America, written with co-authors Tahir Gora, Saied Shoaaib, Jonathon Cotler, and Rick Gill with a foreword by Raheel Raza.

https://www.trackingterrorism.org/profile/tom-quiggin

Tom Quiggin is a Senior Researcher at the Canadian Centre of Intelligence and Security Studies at Carleton University. A court qualified expert on terrorism and on the use of intelligence as evidence, he is a veteran of 20 years in the intelligence...

A mod took down my posts claiming he was:

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The guy’s on the conspiracy fringe IMHO and getting buy in from folks because he was an insider working the security portfolio, has been ruled an expert witness on terrorism etc. But given what he is pushing at this point, that is about as germane as Hellyer being extra credible about UFOs because he was the MND at one point.

That's enough to get you started. Read his stuff, if you wish, and draw your own conclusions. I'm not foisting anything on anyone.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: garb811 on August 28, 2019, 16:35:21
...
Would this fall under the umbrella of being treated guilty without being found guilty? Does the CAF treat sex offenders in our ranks the same way?
...
Standards of proof in administrative law are lower than criminal law. Just because someone hasn't been convicted of a criminal offence doesn't mean they still can't be dealt with administratively, up to and including release from the CAF.  We even use the administrative process to release members who have never been accused of a criminal offence but who have quite simply become an administrative burden due to their inability to manage their personal affairs.

And yes, the CAF has treated sex offenders in our ranks the same way, including long, long before Op HONOUR was even a thought.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 28, 2019, 18:03:28
Quote from: garb811
And yes, the CAF has treated sex offenders in our ranks the same way, including long, long before Op HONOUR was even a thought.
Sergeant David Rodwell was sentenced to six years in prison for child pornography offences and arranging to commit a sexual offence against a child - a 3 year year old kid. He didn't appear to be released from the forces because of his allegations guilty sentence.

Cpl. Jason Moore had
-Three counts of making an indecent image of a child.
-One count of possessing an extreme pornographic image.
-One count of possessing a prohibited image of a child
-One count of failure to comply with a notice issued by investigators

The CAF released him from the forces was placed on administrative duties after his arrest last year.

Kinda see what I mean?  Maybe it's nothing  :nod:
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: CloudCover on August 28, 2019, 18:42:52
Standards of proof in administrative law are lower than criminal law. Just because someone hasn't been convicted of a criminal offence doesn't mean they still can't be dealt with administratively, up to and including release from the CAF.  We even use the administrative process to release members who have never been accused of a criminal offence but who have quite simply become an administrative burden due to their inability to manage their personal affairs.

And yes, the CAF has treated sex offenders in our ranks the same way, including long, long before Op HONOUR was even a thought.

True, although the CF practice ( as a government entity) with administrative law still must consistent with the Charter and the human rights code. The right to a fair hearing in admin law is critical. Some immigration and refugee hearings are administrative in nature, and admin decisions are routinely overturned and sent for reconsideration by courts on the basis of Charter requirements.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: CanadianTire on August 28, 2019, 19:09:24
Years ago, a member of my regiment was allegedly caught with child pornography. From what I understand he had a very frank, honest and firm discussion with the RSM that suggested it would be in the member's best interest to voluntarily release before the civilian police had enough to charge him. Apparently the release was made a top priority. I can't confirm this, but more than one member has said this is what happened.

Sergeant David Rodwell was sentenced to six years in prison for child pornography offences and arranging to commit a sexual offence against a child - a 3 year year old kid. He didn't appear to be released from the forces because of his allegations guilty sentence.

Cpl. Jason Moore had
-Three counts of making an indecent image of a child.
-One count of possessing an extreme pornographic image.
-One count of possessing a prohibited image of a child
-One count of failure to comply with a notice issued by investigators

The CAF released him from the forces was placed on administrative duties after his arrest last year.

Kinda see what I mean?  Maybe it's nothing  :nod:
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on August 28, 2019, 19:16:39
Cpl. Jason Moore had
-Three counts of making an indecent image of a child.
-One count of possessing an extreme pornographic image.
-One count of possessing a prohibited image of a child
-One count of failure to comply with a notice issued by investigators

The CAF released him from the forces was placed on administrative duties after his arrest last year.

Looks like the arrest was circa 2015,

Canadian soldier charged in London, reportedly involving photos of children 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=123896.0



Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Bruce Monkhouse on August 28, 2019, 22:58:11
And yes, the CAF has treated sex offenders in our ranks the same way, including long, long before Op HONOUR was even a thought.

And I'll have to call " not" on this....wish I had kept track of the inmates that only got released after they were in a CC.  That meant the investigation, the trial, the DC time for appeals/ assessments and I  was only seeing them a year to two afterwards and they were just now getting released.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: PMedMoe on September 03, 2019, 19:37:20
Looks like Mathews has gone missing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-neo-nazi-group-recruitment-1.5268780
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Hamish Seggie on September 03, 2019, 19:50:53
Looks like Mathews has gone missing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-neo-nazi-group-recruitment-1.5268780
He's been gone for about a week now. Of course people are outraged over his disappearance.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: CanadianTire on September 03, 2019, 19:54:58
Here's a "great" commentary by Scott Taylor about Mathews.

It contains such facts like "What we do know for sure is that Mathews joined the Canadian Army reserves eight years ago as a combat engineer" and follow up statements such as "Then there is the question of Mathews’ actual status in the air force at the time the story broke."

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/national-perspectives/scott-taylor-a-plethora-of-unanswered-questions-347882/ (https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/national-perspectives/scott-taylor-a-plethora-of-unanswered-questions-347882/)

I can always count on Scott Taylor to give me a good laugh...
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: PMedMoe on September 03, 2019, 20:32:25
He's been gone for about a week now. Of course people are outraged over his disappearance.

I didn't see if it was posted before the thread diverged.  I don't think anyone is "outraged" over his disappearance.  "Concerned" might be a better word.  As in concerned about what crap he might get up to, that is.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on September 03, 2019, 21:10:50
Vehicle found (https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/vehicle-belonging-to-missing-former-reservist-with-alleged-links-to-neo-nazi-group-found-rcmp-1.4576374) ...
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Manitoba RCMP say it has found an abandoned vehicle belonging to a missing man, who is accused of being linked to a neo-Nazi group.

The vehicle, belonging to former Canadian Armed Forces reservist Patrik Mathews, was found Monday on a rural property in the R.M. of Piney, off Highway 12 near Road 81E, RCMP said Tuesday.

A tip that came in just before 4 p.m. led officers from the Sprague RCMP detachment to find the vehicle, which they believe had been parked there for about a week.

Last week police said it was believed Mathews was driving a red, 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT with Manitoba licence plate number HXJ 806.

Mathews was not found following a search of the area.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on September 03, 2019, 22:06:54
Vehicle found (https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/vehicle-belonging-to-missing-former-reservist-with-alleged-links-to-neo-nazi-group-found-rcmp-1.4576374) ...

That’s within around 10km of the US border, for what it’s worth.

Concerning.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Pieman on September 04, 2019, 00:21:37
No charges were laid, so couldn't he just cross the border if he wanted to?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: PMedMoe on September 04, 2019, 01:33:25
No charges were laid, so couldn't he just cross the border if he wanted to?


Unless there had been some kind of alert put out, I think yes.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on September 04, 2019, 06:39:57
I’d be a little surprised if CBP didn’t have him on a no-go list, but it’s possible.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Haggis on September 04, 2019, 07:33:35
No charges were laid, so couldn't he just cross the border if he wanted to?

Even without criminal charges, there are a myriad of reasons why he could be deemed inadmissable to the US.

- Known or suspected ties to certain organizations;
- No means to support himself in the US;
- No US sponsor;
- No legitimate reason to enter the US ("just visiting for a few days" isn't always sufficient)

I’d be a little surprised if CBP didn’t have him on a no-go list, but it’s possible.

Even if they don't, if the USCBP believes he is entering the US to avoid potential prosecution in Canada (they may have intel in this regard) or they believe he does not intend to leave the US, either to return to Canada or travel elsewhere, he can be denied entry.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: FSTO on September 04, 2019, 08:18:00
That’s within around 10km of the US border, for what it’s worth.

Concerning.
Fairly wild country and easy to cross without going through an entry point.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Haggis on September 04, 2019, 09:31:35
Fairly wild country and easy to cross without going through an entry point.

Very true, and as Brihard noted, there may be a lookout for him at the border, a good reason for him to avoid attempting to enter at a port of entry. USCBP and US Border Patrol actively work the US northern frontier between ports of entry and have a network of sensors to detect illegal crossings. There are significant potential consequences if they pick him up while doing so.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Journeyman on September 04, 2019, 09:35:58
Fairly wild country and easy to cross without going through an entry point.
They should build a wall.   :nod:
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on September 04, 2019, 09:51:01
They should build a wall.   :nod:

And make Canada pay for it.  :sarcasm:
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Haggis on September 04, 2019, 11:17:10
They should build a wall.   :nod:

We will build it out of snowcrete so it becomes a seasonal and recurring make-work project.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Hamish Seggie on September 04, 2019, 12:44:50
We will build it out of snowcrete so it becomes a seasonal and recurring make-work project.

With EI benefits in the off season?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: my72jeep on September 04, 2019, 12:51:33
With EI benefits in the off season?

Now your thinking like a Canadian.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on September 04, 2019, 20:54:00
I’d be a little surprised if CBP didn’t have him on a no-go list, but it’s possible.
Touching on that general theme (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-army-reservist-us-border-1.5270354) ...
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A missing former army reservist in Manitoba with alleged ties to a neo-Nazi group likely walked across the border and may have weapons, say police in the United States.

Patrik Mathews was last seen by family members in Beausejour, northeast of Winnipeg, on Aug. 24.

RCMP say they found his vehicle Monday on a rural property near Piney in southeastern Manitoba, about nine kilometres from the U.S. border.

Kittson County Sheriff Mark Wilwant says a bulletin was issued to nearby counties to be on the lookout for Mathews.

He says it's assumed the 26-year-old walked across the border in a remote area and that he could be armed.

Wilwant says there's a concern for public safety because of "ideologies" believed held by Mathews. "He's exhibited behaviours before that are concerning with his beliefs."

A similar warning telling people not to approach Mathews is posted on the Facebook page of the Roseau County sheriff's office*. It also says there are false Facebook postings that say Mathews is wanted for a homicide ...
More @ link

* - Warning from Rosseau County attached.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on September 05, 2019, 16:21:15
Another tile in the info-mosaic (https://globalnews.ca/news/5856501/patrik-mathews-truck-racist-materials/beta/?fbclid=IwAR1UPpI8vKPBoruxw9g-G3nln-lgHO2BJtr4q-li72b9iQ7jBfdWqHrPYaE&utm_expid=.kz0UD5JkQOCo6yMqxGqECg.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fnews%2F5856501%2Fpatrik-mathews-truck-racist-materials%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1UPpI8vKPBoruxw9g-G3nln-lgHO2BJtr4q-li72b9iQ7jBfdWqHrPYaE) …
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It was racist materials found in former MCp. Patrik Mathews’ truck, discovered by border agents during a stop at the Canada-U.S. border, which alerted Canada’s national security radar and triggered an intelligence investigation, sources tell Global News.

That was also the tripwire which drew federal officials and police from Manitoba to the United States as the search for Mathews — who was reported missing last week — continues.

Mathews was discharged from the military on Aug. 30.

National security sources tell Global News that Mathews made “frequent trips” to the United States, driving across the border.

It remains unclear what Mathews was doing in the U.S., and who, if anyone, he was meeting with.

It was on one of those trips, sometime in the spring, that Canadian officials conducted a random search of his truck and located racist material which they say was so concerning, they contacted the intelligence unit of the Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA).

As a result, the CBSA notified the RCMP and the military, triggering a covert military intelligence investigation ...
More @ link
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Retired AF Guy on September 05, 2019, 20:05:48
Walk across the border and have a fellow traveler pick him up. He could be any wehere in the US by now.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Hamish Seggie on September 05, 2019, 20:09:00
I have to ask this:

Don't you find it ironic this neo Nazi group named itself "The Base"?

Al Qaeda is Arabic for "The Base" is it not?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on September 05, 2019, 20:24:56
More about "The Base" from last November,

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The creation of a new social networking platform called “The Base” appears to be an effort to shift Naziism from a divided digital space to physical, violent insurgency.
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/a3mexp/neo-nazis-are-organizing-secretive-paramilitary-training-across-america
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on September 05, 2019, 20:28:54
Being picked up by Minnesota media now here (http://www.startribune.com/search-underway-for-canadian-army-reservist-suspected-of-links-to-neo-nazi-group/559513292/) and here (https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/09/05/authorities-look-for-former-canadian-reservist-linked-to-rightwing-extremist-group).

Belatedly, this, from the RCMP (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2019/beausejour-rcmp-seeking-assistance-locating-missing-male):
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Update - Beausejour RCMP seeking assistance in locating missing male
September 3, 2019
Beausejour, Manitoba


On September 2, 2019, at approximately 3:55 pm, officers from the Sprague RCMP detachment received a report of an abandoned vehicle located on a rural property in the RM of Piney, located off of Highway 12 near Road 81E.

Officers attended the location and confirmed the vehicle as belonging to Patrik Mathews. A search of the immediate area did not locate him.

The vehicle is believed to have been parked at this location for approximately a week.

The Manitoba RCMP continues to search for Patrik Mathews.

The RCMP believe Mr. Mathews may be under a significant amount of pressure due to this ongoing investigation and the extensive media coverage it has garnered. Anyone who sees him is asked to call police immediately and to avoid engaging with him.

Anyone having information in relation to this investigation can contact the Beausejour RCMP at 204-268-1234 or call Crime Stoppers anonymously at 1-800-222-8477, or secure tip online at www.manitobacrimestoppers.com.

=================================================

On Monday, August 26, 2019, Beausejour RCMP received a report of a missing 26-year-old male from Beausejour.

Patrik Mathews, 26, was last seen by family members in Beausejour on the evening of August 24, 2019. Efforts to contact and locate him by family and police have been unsuccessful since the report was received.

Patrik is described as 5'10", 180 pounds, with blue eyes and blond hair.

He is believed to be driving a red 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT with Manitoba licence plate number: HXJ 806.

This is a missing person investigation, there is no warrant for arrest and there are no charges pending against the individual.

Family members are concerned for his well-being and are asking Patrik to contact them or the RCMP immediately.

Anyone who may know the whereabouts of Patrik can call the Beausejour RCMP at 204-268-1234 or call Crime Stoppers anonymously at 1-800-222-8477, or secure tip online at www.manitobacrimestoppers.com.

–30–

Contact information

RCMP Media Relations
204-983-8497
Media.Relations.RCMP.Manitoba@rcmp-grc.gc.ca

www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/mb
Twitter @rcmpmb | @GRCManitoba
http://www.facebook.com/rcmpmb | https://www.facebook.com/GRCManitoba

File number: 20191292719
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on October 28, 2019, 20:15:19
Bumped with the latest (https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-feds-pressed-to-find-missing-reservist-with-alleged-links-to-neo-nazis-1.4659426) ...
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A Manitoba army reservist accused of being a neo-Nazi remains unaccounted for two months after he was first reported missing, sparking concerns the police and military are not treating the case with the requisite urgency.

Master Cpl. Patrik Mathews, a combat engineer with the 38 Canadian Brigade Group in Winnipeg, disappeared at the end of August as he was being fast-tracked out of the military for his alleged links to a right-wing extremist group.

His truck was found abandoned on a rural property in Piney, in southern Manitoba near the U.S. border, prompting speculation the 26-year-old had entered the United States.

(...)

 On Monday, RCMP spokesman Sgt. Paul Manaigre said officers were continuing their search here and have been in touch with U.S. counterparts.

Manaigre would not comment on any investigation into Mathews, but noted police have not issued an arrest warrant and that his disappearance is being treated like any other missing-persons case.

"He's not wanted by the RCMP right now, he's missing," Manaigre said. "Our American counterparts obviously are very aware of what we are doing and we've also provided them with information."

The Department of National Defence referred questions back to the police ...
More @ link
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on October 28, 2019, 21:42:21
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sparking concerns the police and military are not treating the case with the requisite urgency.

Sparking concerns from who, CTV?

In 2015 there were some 70,000 reported missing people in Canada.
Same year the US had 634,908.

They haven't found one guy after 2 months and the police and military aren't taking it seriously?
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on October 28, 2019, 21:48:44
He’s an adult who isn’t charged with any offences, and while there is likely some risk from him, I would also guess there are no clear indications of same, either to himself or to others. There’s not a great deal police can do, and a ton of other stuff on their plate. There may also be stuff they know that hasn’t been released. Potentially they could have indications he successfully crossed into the US.

He’ll surface eventually. If he had intended any harm to himself, that probably already happened months ago.

Obviously if they get anything fresh that changes the threat picture, that’s another matter. In the meantime there’s a ton of other work to do and far too few Mounties to do it.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on October 28, 2019, 22:20:26
I can imagine police don't have the man power to search for someone who doesn't want to be found who hasn't been convicted of anything. I'd rather see police searching for missing children and teens.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on October 28, 2019, 22:27:38
Sparking concerns from who, CTV?
From later in the article ...
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...  The fact Mathews is still missing didn't sit well with Bernie Farber, chairman of the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, who has raised alarms about the presence of neo-Nazis and right-wing extremists in the military.

"He seemed to slip right through their fingers and he's -- poof -- gone," Farber said Monday, adding if Mathews had been suspected of links to the Islamic State group instead of neo-Nazis, "I think this would have been resolved in the space of 15 minutes." ...
Are the concerns zero?  No. 
Are they widespread?  CTV hasn't shown that to be even close to the case @ this point.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on October 28, 2019, 22:33:49
Thanks brother. Totally missed that!

Pretty shitty of him to suggest police are unprofessional and biased like that.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on October 28, 2019, 22:50:53
Pretty shitty of him to suggest police are unprofessional and biased like that.
That's why folks like that are "clip-or-quote-able" - for better or worse.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Eye In The Sky on October 29, 2019, 18:44:12
Maybe Bernie Farber can strap on a utility belt, and spend some time playing MANTRACKER.  It's easy to sit on the sidelines and write articles and issue statements.

I'd want the police focusing on a known ISIS supporter/operative over the former PRes MCpl (given what I know about him);  weak argument IMO.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: mariomike on January 16, 2020, 13:29:40
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FBI arrests Patrik Mathews, missing Manitoba reservist accused of neo-Nazi ties
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/fbi-arrests-patrik-mathews-missing-manitoba-reservist-accused-of-neo-nazi-ties/ar-BBZ1HIz?ocid=ientp


Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on January 16, 2020, 13:50:52
More from the NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/us/politics/fbi-arrest-virginia-gun-rally.html) ...
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The F.B.I. has arrested three men suspected of being members of a neo-Nazi hate group, including a former reservist in the Canadian Army, who had weapons and discussed traveling to a pro-gun rally next week in Richmond, Va., in anticipation of a possible race war.

The men were taken into custody on Thursday morning as part of a long-running investigation into the group, known as The Base. The men were charged with various federal crimes in Maryland, according to the Justice Department. They were scheduled to appear in federal court before a judge on Thursday afternoon.

One of the men, Patrik Jordan Mathews, 27, a main recruiter for the group, entered the United States illegally from Canada, according to the officials. He was arrested along with Brian M. Lemley Jr., 33, and William G. Bilbrough IV, 19. Mr. Mathews was trained as a combat engineer and considered an expert in explosives. He was dismissed from the Canadian Army after his ties to white supremacists surfaced. Mr. Lemley previously served as a cavalry soldier in the United States Army ...
More @ link

As usual, presumed innocent until due process proves otherwise.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on January 16, 2020, 14:26:04
And a bit more from U.S. DOJ (https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/three-alleged-members-violent-extremist-group-base-facing-federal-firearms-and-alien):
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Three Alleged Members of the Violent Extremist Group “The Base” Facing Federal Firearms and Alien-Related Charges

Greenbelt, Maryland – A federal criminal complaint has been filed charging three alleged members of the racially motivated violent extremist group “The Base” with firearms and alien-related charges.  The complaint charges Brian Mark Lemley, Jr., age 33, of Elkton, Maryland, and Newark, Delaware, and William Garfield Bilbrough IV, age 19, of Denton, Maryland, with transporting and harboring aliens and conspiring to do so.  Lemley is also charged with transporting a machine gun and disposing of a firearm and ammunition to an alien unlawfully present in the United States.  Further, the complaint charges Lemley and Canadian national Patrik Jordan Mathews, age 27, currently of Newark, Delaware, with transporting a firearm and ammunition with intent to commit a felony.  The complaint also charges Mathews with being an alien in possession of a firearm and ammunition.  The complaint was filed January 14, 2020, and was unsealed today upon their arrests by the FBI.

The defendants are expected to have initial appearances beginning at 2:45 p.m. today in U.S. District Court in Greenbelt, 6400 Cherrywood Lane, before U.S. Magistrate Judge Charles B. Day. 

The criminal complaint was announced by United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Robert K. Hur; United States Attorney for the District of Delaware David C. Weiss; Special Agent in Charge Jennifer C. Boone of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Baltimore Field Office; and Special Agent in Charge Rob Cekada of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Baltimore Field Division.

According to the criminal complaint, within The Base’s encrypted chat rooms, members have discussed, among other things, recruitment, creating a white ethno-state, committing acts of violence against minority communities (including African-Americans and Jewish-Americans), the organization’s military-style training camps, and ways to make improvised explosive devices.  Lemley previously served as a Cavalry Scout in the United States Army, and as of August 2019, Mathews, a Canadian citizen in the United States illegally, was a combat engineer in the Canadian Army Reserve.

The affidavit filed in support of the criminal complaint alleges that on August 19, 2019, Mathews unlawfully crossed from Canada into the United States near the Manitoba/Minnesota border.  On August 30, 2019, Lemley and Bilbrough allegedly drove from Maryland to Michigan in order to pick up Mathews, and all three men returned to Maryland on August 31, 2019.

As detailed in the criminal complaint, on November 3, 2019, the three men drove from Virginia to the Eastern Shore of Maryland, where Bilbrough resided.  Lemley and Mathews then continued to the area of Elkton, Maryland, where Lemley obtained a motel room for Mathews.  The following day, Lemley drove Mathews to Delaware, where Lemley rented an apartment in which the two have resided since that time.

According to the affidavit, during December 2019, Lemley and Mathews used an upper receiver ordered by Lemley, as well as other firearms parts, to make a functioning assault rifle.  Also in December, Lemley, Mathews, and Bilbrough allegedly attempted to manufacture a controlled substance, DMT, at Lemley and Mathews’s apartment.  Furthermore, Lemley, Mathews, and Bilbrough discussed The Base’s activities and spoke about other members of the organization.  Mathews also allegedly showed the assault rifle to Bilbrough, who examined the assault rifle and returned it to Mathews.

In January 2020, according to the affidavit, that Lemley and Mathews purchased approximately 1,650 rounds of 5.56mm and 6.5mm ammunition; traveled from Delaware to a gun range in Maryland, where they shot the assault rifle; and retrieved plate carriers (to support body armor) and at least some of the purchased ammunition from Lemley’s prior residence in Maryland.

If convicted, Lemley and Bilbrough each face a maximum sentence of five years for transporting and harboring certain aliens, and 10 years for conspiracy to do so.  Lemley also faces a maximum of five years in prison for transporting a machine gun in interstate commerce, and a maximum of 10 years in federal prison for disposing of a firearm and ammunition to an illegal alien.  Lemley and Mathews each face a maximum of 10 years in federal prison for transporting a firearm and ammunition in interstate commerce with intent to commit a felony offense.  Finally, Mathews faces a maximum of 10 years in federal prison for being an alien in possession of a firearm and ammunition.  Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after taking into account the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

A criminal complaint is not a finding of guilt.  An individual charged by criminal complaint is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty at some later criminal proceedings.

United States Attorneys Robert K. Hur and David C. Weiss commended the FBI Baltimore Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) and ATF for their work in the investigation, and thanked U.S. Homeland Security Investigations, the Maryland Department of Natural Resources, the Maryland State Police, and the Delaware State Police for their assistance.  Mr. Hur and Mr. Weiss thanked their offices’ national security prosecutors, who are handling the case.

# # #

As usual, presumed innocent until due process proves otherwise.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on January 16, 2020, 14:31:37
Rough timeline according to court docs quoted in MSM (https://nationalpost.com/news/world/fbi-arrests-fugitive-canadian-reservist-after-tapping-into-encrypted-neo-nazi-chatroom) ...
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... The affidavit filed in support of the criminal complaint alleges a series of events:

• On Aug. 19, 2019, Mathews unlawfully crossed from Manitoba into Minnesota.

• On Aug. 30, 2019, Lemley and Bilbrough picked up Mathews in Michigan.

• On Aug. 31, 2019, Lemley and Bilbrough returned with Mathews to their homes in Maryland.

• On Nov. 3, 2019, Lemley obtained a motel room for Mathews in the area of Elkton, Maryland.

• On Nov. 4, 2019, Lemley drove Mathews to Delaware and the two moved into an apartment rented by Lemley.

• During December 2019, Lemley and Mathews make a functioning assault rifle from firearm parts ordered by Lemley.

• In January 2020, Lemley and Mathews purchased 5.56 mm and 6.5 mm ammunition and tested the assault rifle at a gun range in Maryland ...
As usual, presumed innocent until due process proves otherwise.

Edited to add:  Love 'em or hate 'em, Vice had a bit of this last month as well (https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/8xwwaa/neo-nazi-terror-group-harbouring-missing-ex-soldier-patrik-mathews-sources).
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on January 16, 2020, 21:13:59
And finally, the complaint filed in January - as usual, presumed innocent until due process proves otherwise.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: tomahawk6 on January 17, 2020, 00:01:20
Just made the news today.

https://apnews.com/27fa219e8157ae200455f0c1b971909c
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on January 18, 2020, 09:13:42
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/fbi-arrests-reveal-shocking-details-in-case-against-former-canadian-reservist-patrik-mathews/ar-BBZ58qE

Explosives expert Patrik Mathews described as incompetent, stupid and lazy. Former Nazi Base buddies thought about killing him. Guess they should have read his PERs before inviting him on down to star in a race war.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on January 18, 2020, 09:35:44
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/fbi-arrests-reveal-shocking-details-in-case-against-former-canadian-reservist-patrik-mathews/ar-BBZ58qE

Explosives expert Patrik Mathews described as incompetent, stupid and lazy. Former Nazi Base buddies thought about killing him. Guess they should have read his PERs before inviting him on down to star in a race war.
Ooopsie ....

More details in the attached affadavit for the latest three rounded up (source (https://floydcountypolicedept.wordpress.com/2020/01/17/three-men-charged-with-murder-conspiracy-anti-government-activity/)).
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on January 18, 2020, 09:55:13
Ooopsie ....

More details in the attached affadavit for the latest three rounded up (source (https://floydcountypolicedept.wordpress.com/2020/01/17/three-men-charged-with-murder-conspiracy-anti-government-activity/)).

Those mug shots, yikes.

If these guys are a
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violent extremist group that sought to “accelerate the downfall of the United States government, incite a race war and establish a white ethno-state.”

Shouldn't trying to bring down the USA government and start a race war mean they're hit with more charges than conspiricy to commit murder and participation in a criminal street gang?

I assumed there would be some kind of terrorism charges
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on January 18, 2020, 10:53:32
Those mug shots, yikes.

If these guys are a
Shouldn't trying to bring down the USA government and start a race war mean they're hit with more charges than conspiricy to commit murder and participation in a criminal street gang?

I assumed there would be some kind of terrorism charges

I just read through the affidavit- scary stuff. Sounds like they were legitimately ready to go.

The affiant is a county cop, so charges at present are likely under state criminal law. This affidavit was for the arrest warrants, and really just needed enough for the same purpose. At the end it references a sealing order until all arrests and associated search warrants are executed, so I've no doubt some doors got kicked, a bunch of computers seized, and all kinds of other stuff. Statements will have been attempted from the suspects... Lots of investigation still to happen once the arrest is made. I would be surprised if there were not further charges. I would also not be surprised if there are federal terrorism and/or hate crime charges added.

Counter terrorism work is a tough balance of intelligence and enforcement. As much as possible law enforcement is trying to learn about these groups, the individual players, and so on. In this case it looks like a plotted attack was imminent and it was necessary to act to stop it. There's a tough balance to be struck between acting to disrupt real threats or dangers, and keeping the intelligence flowing in.

In any case- it doesn't sound like The Base was too impressed with our boy. I suspect we'll see him back in Canada before too great a time has passed, as it doesn't sound like he was central to much. When *these* individuals are calling you 'incompetent' and 'a liability', that's gotta sting.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on January 18, 2020, 12:29:47
I just read through the affidavit- scary stuff. Sounds like they were legitimately ready to go.

Yup. I'm really starting to understand your views on why this stuff is such a big deal. I think you're definitely right about how dangerous these home grown terrorists are.

I've commented before about being able to pick your own gender, race and species (not even being sarcastic) but you can't decide you're a terrorist unless someone else approves it.

If these guys want to be big bad homeland terrorists, racists and anti-government I say let their charges reflect it. I know that's not how it works, but it would be nice.

Of course looking at their pictures I think they may not feel as bad *** in prison.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Brihard on January 18, 2020, 12:36:56
Yup. I'm really starting to understand your views on why this stuff is such a big deal. I think you're definitely right about how dangerous these home grown terrorists are.

I've commented before about being able to pick your own gender, race and species (not even being sarcastic) but you can't decide you're a terrorist unless someone else approves it.

If these guys want to be big bad homeland terrorists, racists and anti-government I say let their charges reflect it. I know that's not how it works, but it would be nice.

Of course looking at their pictures I think they may not feel as bad *** in prison.

Bar in mind, it looks like we got lucky in this one. This got busted by an undercover. They were able to run a UC play on the online recruitment, get a guy inside the network, and build a file on it which ultimately became not just actionable, but actually an imminent threat. They were using layered levels of access to what was ultimately a very small cell. They were using encrypted comms. It doesn't take much to make communications very difficult for intelligence and law enforcement to penetrate. There was real OPSEC awareness, and they even identified that their greatest vulnerability would be either an infiltrator or an inside who couldn't STFU. As much as these individuals were amateurish in some ways, they had at least a reasonable level of sophistication. They recognized their plan wasn't sufficiently developed, they did a live recce, and they had measures planned to counter forensic investigation.

It's a hell of a lot less resource intensive to safeguard against law enforcement action than it is for law enforcement to successfully investigate something like this. UC plays are planning and resource intensive. As soon as you're dealing with digital evidence that has encryption, that's difficult. If comms are encrypted, the utility of wiretaps / digital intercepts can diminish.

This is a huge uphill battle.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Remius on January 18, 2020, 13:45:40
No doubt some other groups affiliated and not affiliated will be learning from this particular case.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Colin P on January 18, 2020, 15:43:32
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/fbi-arrests-reveal-shocking-details-in-case-against-former-canadian-reservist-patrik-mathews/ar-BBZ58qE

Explosives expert Patrik Mathews described as incompetent, stupid and lazy. Former Nazi Base buddies thought about killing him. Guess they should have read his PERs before inviting him on down to star in a race war.

That's got to hurt, I guess he will be happy to testify against them.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: CloudCover on January 19, 2020, 23:15:57
Here are some pictures of him showing off his supplies and skills:
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Remius on January 20, 2020, 03:00:57

like Sean Bean’s character in Ronin...
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: 211RadOp on January 22, 2020, 11:00:15
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Ex-reservist wished he had booby-trapped his home to blow up RCMP officers: U.S. court document

'I could really wish they f---ing all started searching my place, accidentally trip a pin, and boom,' the documents quote Patrik Mathews as saying

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Published on: January 21, 2020 | Last Updated: January 21, 2020 10:41 PM EST

A Canadian ex-soldier and alleged white supremacist told cohorts in the U.S. that he wished he had booby-trapped his Manitoba home before RCMP searched it last year so the officers “got f—ing exploded,” say dramatic new court documents filed by American prosecutors.

Patrik Mathews and fellow alleged members of the hate group The Base also talk graphically about shooting civilians and police at an event in Richmond, Va., this week, the Canadian suggesting they could “be literally hunting people,” says the bail motion.

Unspecified intelligence about possible violence at a Richmond gun rally Monday prompted the state’s governor to declare a state of emergency around the demonstration.

Mathews, 27, and two co-defendants were arrested last week just days before the event started, with another three members of The Base picked up a day later in Georgia. Despite the presence of thousands of protesters, many toting firearms, the rally unfolded peacefully

The new court document submitted by a U.S. Attorney’s office in Maryland also details one of several videos allegedly made by Mathews. Wearing a gas mask, the former Manitoba-based reservist promotes derailing trains, murdering people and poisoning water supplies as part of a “revolution” to save the white race.

Mathews and alleged accomplices Brian Mark Lemley, 33, and William Bilbrough, 19, appear in court Wednesday for a bail hearing. Prosecutors indicate in the motion they want the trio be kept behind bars until their trial.

“The defendants in this domestic terrorism investigation must be detained,” said the memorandum. “No condition or combination of conditions will reasonably assure the appearance of any defendant or the safety of any other person.”

Mathews was exposed as an alleged member of The Base – a new but seemingly burgeoning group that espouses trying to trigger a race war – last August after a Winnipeg Free Press reporter infiltrated the organization.

He had been a combat engineer with a Winnipeg-based reserve unit but was released by the Armed Forces after the allegations surfaced.

RCMP later searched his home in Beausejour, Man., and briefly detained him. Soon after, he disappeared. His whereabouts were a mystery until his arrest last week.

The freshly filed motion provides more detail about the extensive U.S. police investigation, which included a “sneak-and-peak” warrant that allowed officers to enter the apartment where Mathews and Lemley stayed until their arrest.

They also installed a hidden camera and microphone in the apartment, which allegedly captured Mathews’ discussion of the RCMP raid of his home last Aug. 19.

“I could really wish they f—ing all started searching my place, accidentally trip a pin, and boom and the whole house goes boom,” the document quotes him as saying. “Boy, wouldn’t that be terrible, a bunch of f—ing RCMP search experts got f—ing exploded.”

More at link

https://www.thewhig.com/news/ex-soldier-wished-he-had-booby-trapped-manitoba-home-and-blown-up-rcmp-officers-u-s-court-document/wcm/eddb2424-18ae-4934-b3ac-f92d84dede48 (https://www.thewhig.com/news/ex-soldier-wished-he-had-booby-trapped-manitoba-home-and-blown-up-rcmp-officers-u-s-court-document/wcm/eddb2424-18ae-4934-b3ac-f92d84dede48)
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Jarnhamar on January 22, 2020, 12:11:42
I hope that guys parents aren't recieving any harassment or abuse over his stupidity.

Really gotta wonder how someone becomes such a shitty human being.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Oldgateboatdriver on January 22, 2020, 12:31:48
Really gotta wonder how someone becomes such a shitty human being.

By spending all their free time on internet sites that only support their warped world view, and rejecting even countenancing any other views.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: BeyondTheNow on January 22, 2020, 14:57:14
I hope that guys parents aren't recieving any harassment or abuse over his stupidity.

Really gotta wonder how someone becomes such a shitty human being.

By spending all their free time on internet sites that only support their warped world view, and rejecting even countenancing any other views.

Toxic/negative internet exposure certainly contributes, but home-grown extremists existed long before Google. I'm of the mind that unless Bipolar Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder or another identifiable mental health issue is present, home life is a significant cause.

Individuals who grow up in a safe, nurturing, and stable environment with boundaries, healthy displays of respect, and are taught right from wrong, coupled with balanced levels of discipline (or at least taught there's consequences to their actions) don't randomly and/or suddenly decide they're going to go on a shooting spree, wish severe harm upon others, or blow something up. And in the extremely rare instances where they do, 9 times out of 10, the individual was showing warning signs of underlying behavioural issues long before they acted out. The parents either blew them off, were afraid to intervene and/or couldn't discern the line between giving their kid(s) a certain amount of privacy vs perhaps seeing what they're doing when gone for hours at a time; not knowing with whom, or constantly locked in their room.

I'm no picture-perfect parent, but kids don't turn into disrespectful, violent a-holes on their own. And if they're susceptible to negative influences for whatever reasons, things can usually be traced back to where the deficiency began...     
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Hamish Seggie on January 22, 2020, 16:30:41


Really gotta wonder how someone becomes such a shitty human being.

A number of reasons - lack of guidance from adults as a child, brain function, perhaps a mental disorder?

Added - researchers think Traumatic Brain Injury suffered as a child MAY have an effect on one's behaviour as one ages. Also, researchers think that a damaged amygdala my contribute to the behaviour of serial killers.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: tomahawk6 on January 22, 2020, 19:48:28
A number of reasons - lack of guidance from adults as a child, brain function, perhaps a mental disorder?

Added - researchers think Traumatic Brain Injury suffered as a child MAY have an effect on one's behaviour as one ages. Also, researchers think that a damaged amygdala my contribute to the behaviour of serial killers.

Upbringing. Like minded people gravitate to each other.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Hamish Seggie on January 22, 2020, 20:59:25
Upbringing. Like minded people gravitate to each other.

That's only one part of the equation.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on January 23, 2020, 13:25:46
No bail for YOU!
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A former Canadian Armed Forces reservist plotted with other members of a white supremacist group to carry out “essentially a paramilitary strike” at a Virginia gun rights rally, a federal prosecutor said Wednesday.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Timothy Sullivan agreed to keep Patrik Mathews, 27, detained in federal custody pending a Jan. 30 preliminary hearing.

Mathews leaned back in his chair and quietly laughed when the magistrate read aloud a transcript of a video in which the Canadian national advocated killing people, poisoning water supplies and derailing trains.

“This is a very dangerous person,” the magistrate said during Mathews' detention hearing in Maryland. “He espouses very dangerous beliefs.”

Later Wednesday, Sullivan refused to set bail for another defendant arrested in the FBI's investigation of The Base. A prosecutor described William Garfield Bilbrough IV — a 19-year-old pizza delivery driver who lives with his grandmother in Denton, Maryland — as a leader of the group who was seen as a “prophet” by Mathews and the third man arrested in the case.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Windom showed the judge a photograph recovered from Bilbrough's phone that shows him holding up the severed head of a goat he had killed in a “ritual sacrifice” at a training camp in Georgia for members of The Base. Bilbrough initially tried to kill the goat with a knife but failed, so he borrowed a gun to shoot it, Windom said.

Mathews, Bilbrough and Brian Mark Lemley Jr., 33, of Elkton, Maryland, were arrested Thursday on federal felony charges in Maryland and Delaware, just days before the pro-gun rally in Virginia’s capital. Federal prosecutors said in a court filing Tuesday that a hidden camera captured the men discussing “the planning of violence” at the rally and expressed hope that bloodshed could start a civil war. Monday's event attracted tens of thousands of people and ended peacefully.

“This is a domestic terrorist investigation,” Windom said Wednesday ...
More details here (https://www.fredericksburg.com/news/state_region/judge-canadian-who-was-arrested-before-richmond-gun-rights-rally/article_e4f666f1-ddc2-576f-bbe1-6bbc18b2fdbe.html) (U.S. media) or in attached bail document referred to in other stories.
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: Journeyman on January 23, 2020, 14:21:25
A prosecutor described William Garfield Bilbrough IV — a 19-year-old pizza delivery driver who lives with his grandmother in Denton, Maryland — as a leader of the group who was seen as a “prophet” by Mathews and the third man arrested in the case.
Supremacist all right.          :rofl:
Title: Re: Former MCpl Patrik Mathews: accused of being a White Supremacist.
Post by: milnews.ca on January 23, 2020, 14:35:25
Supremacist all right.          :rofl:
Still, best outta 3's still best - of sorts, anyway ...
Title: Re: Fmr MCpl Patrik Mathews - facing U.S. federal charges/alleged white supremacist
Post by: 211RadOp on January 24, 2020, 09:05:14
The family's reaction to all this.  Mom was "flabbergasted when she first heard reports that her son was deeply entwined with The Base" and Grandma was" “just baffled” that Mathews had become a high-profile face of North America’s growing white-supremacy movement."

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/alleged-manitoba-white-supremacist-had-an-african-canadian-girlfriend-his-mother-says/ar-BBZgoEr?ocid=ientp (http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/alleged-manitoba-white-supremacist-had-an-african-canadian-girlfriend-his-mother-says/ar-BBZgoEr?ocid=ientp)
Title: Re: Fmr MCpl Patrik Mathews - facing U.S. federal charges/alleged white supremacist
Post by: milnews.ca on January 29, 2020, 16:31:53
The latest (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/patrik-mathews-faces-up-to-60-years-in-us-prison-federal-indictments/ar-BBZqbi2?ocid=sf) ...
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Ex-Canadian reservist Patrik Mathews faces up to a maximum of 60 years in U.S. prison if convicted, after he and two other members of The Base, a violent neo-Nazi paramilitary group, were indicted by federal grand juries in Maryland and Delaware this week.

Mathews, 27, who is originally from Beausejour, Man., was arrested in Delaware earlier this month after he fled the country when he was outed as an alleged recruiter for The Base in August.

Alleged Base members Brian Mark Lemley Jr., 33, and William Garfield Bilbrough IV, 19, were arrested this month in Maryland.

Mathews and Lemley Jr. each face several firearms charges, including transporting a firearm and ammunition with intent to commit a felony, and one count of destroying their cellular telephones with intent to obstruct justice.

If convicted, Mathews faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in U.S. federal prison for transporting a firearm and ammunition in interstate commerce with intent to commit a felony offence, and being an alien in possession of a firearm and ammunition.

He faces another 40 years in prison for illegal possession of a firearm, illegal possession of an unregistered firearm, and obstruction of justice.

Lemley Jr. and Bilbrough are charged with conspiring to transport an alien and transporting an alien. Lemley is also charged with transporting a machine gun in interstate commerce.

The 12-count Maryland indictment was returned Monday and unsealed on Tuesday. The six-count Delaware indictment was returned Tuesday ...
Title: Re: Fmr MCpl Patrik Mathews - facing U.S. federal charges/alleged white supremacist
Post by: milnews.ca on February 17, 2020, 21:10:10
A bit of Canadian follow-up (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patrik-mathews-canadian-armed-forces-extremism-1.5461248) ...
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Canada's military is still defining the term "hateful conduct" as it grapples with how to better detect and discipline white supremacists in its ranks.

In a recent wide-ranging interview with CBC News, military leaders said they have identified areas of improvement and are working toward change. They hope to announce details in the coming months.

"I do understand that sometimes from the outside we might look opaque, but that is due to privacy reasons that we can't divulge specific information," Brig.-Gen. Sylvain Menard, the chief of staff operations for military personnel, said at DND headquarters in Ottawa.

"I think the fact that we're here today trying to demystify and explain what we're doing is our attempt to say, 'No, we are open and transparent.'"

The military has been grappling with a prominent example of extremism in its ranks, following the high-profile arrest of Patrik Mathews, a former Manitoba-based reservist, as part of an FBI undercover operation into a violent white supremacist group called The Base.

(...)

The Canadian military began investigating Mathews in the  spring of 2019, after someone reported comments "incompatible with the Canadian Forces." At the time, he was a former combat engineer with the 38 Canadian Brigade Group in Winnipeg, with training in explosives.

The military fast-tracked his request to be released from the reserves. That officially came through on Aug. 30, 2019.

"It takes a while to conduct these investigations. We have to follow due process, every Canadian has the same right, where innocent until proven guilty, and at the time of release, we just didn't have enough to do anything about Mr. Mathews," Menard said.

"I think it's a success story that we were investigating the member, even though we did not have a chance to fully close the loop." ...
Title: Re: Fmr MCpl Patrik Mathews - facing U.S. federal charges/alleged white supremacist
Post by: milnews.ca on February 22, 2020, 09:00:15
Pleads not guilty (https://globalnews.ca/news/6562728/patrik-mathews-court-maryland/) ...
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A former Canadian Forces reservist at the centre of an alleged white-supremacist plot to trigger a race war in the United States pleaded not guilty to weapons charges Tuesday as his lawyer indicated he plans to use the First Amendment of the U.S. constitution to defend his client.

Patrik Mathews, sporting an orange jumpsuit, unruly hair and a long, reddish beard, stood ramrod-straight in a Maryland courtroom as Judge Timothy Sullivan asked him to state his name and whether he fully understood the charges against him.

“Yes, your honour,” replied Mathews, who has been in custody in the U.S. since he and two of his American cohorts were arrested a month ago by the FBI.

Asked for his plea, Mathews said, “Not guilty, your honour.”

(...)

“We, frankly, intend to vigorously contest the charges in this case,” defence counsel Joseph Balter said after Tuesday’s brief arraignment.

(...)