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Title: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: big bad john (John Hill) on June 20, 2006, 23:05:18
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Govt-unveils-51b-defence-shopping-list/2006/06/20/1150701548781.html

Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
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AdvertisementDefence Minister Brendan Nelson launched the latest defence equipment shopping list, declaring its $51 billion of new equipment affordable and achievable.

Under the Defence Capability Plan (DCP) 2006-2016, Defence sets out what equipment it believes is needed to achieve national security objectives, what it will cost, and when it could be acquired - should the government approve.

The list includes a new anti-aircraft missile system, and upgrades to Anzac frigates, Hawk jet trainers and Hornet fighters.

Dr Nelson said additional budget funding enabled the DCP to address the rise in the price of military equipment and technology.

"This DCP is fundamentally affordable and achievable," he said.

"The proposals it contains are essential to deliver the capability required by the Australian Defence Force (ADF) to maintain Australia's security."

It follows the budget decision to continue the 2000 White Paper commitment to increase defence spending by three per cent a year until 2015-16.

The DCP includes significant spending on projects to harden and network the army and extend digital communications across land and air force units.

Other features of the DCP include acquiring new helicopters and retiring older models to rationalise the defence helicopter inventory.

About $1 billion will be spent on refurbishing or replacing the RAAF's ageing fleets of C-130H Hercules and Caribou transport aircraft.

That could involve acquiring newer model Hercules aircraft or additional C-17s on top of four already on order.

There appear to be limited options for upgrading the Vietnam-era Caribou tactical transports.

The possibilities include more Chinook helicopters or a new aircraft such as the US-made C-27 Spartan or a mixture of both.

The DCP includes $500 million to enhance the Anzac frigate air search radars and submarine and seamine-detection capabilities, and $350-450 million for a midlife upgrade of the Hawk lead-in fighter in the period 2017-19.

Defence said the DCP would provide industry with procurement plans for the next 10 years, providing greater assurance to make investment decisions.

Opposition defence spokesman Robert McClelland said the DCP was a much-needed revision of defence capability requirements.

He said Labor remained concerned about the government's ability to effectively manage some of the feature projects including the acquisition of new MRH-90 helicopters, C-17 transport aircraft and the upgrade of Anzac frigates.

"If we continue to see billion dollar project bungles like the Seasprite helicopters, the M113 armoured personnel carriers and the FFG frigates, even the three per cent increase will be insufficient to cover the major acquisitions that are planned for the coming decade," he said in a statement.
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: Colin P on July 13, 2006, 14:50:00
Gee makes our upgrading look cheap, now if they would just repeal their gun laws.
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: GAP on July 13, 2006, 15:25:14
Let's see now:

Country            Population              GDP             Defense Budget in B/US     New Purchases in B/US        Liberal Waste
                                                                                                                                         we could have used

Canada           32,805,041    $1.02 trillion (2004)   $9,801.7 million (2003)      Approx 17                            2-3 billion

Australia           20,264,082   $612.8 b(2005)  $17.84 billion (2005 est.)          Approx 51                                  0

Canadian stats: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/factbook/ca/milita.html;_ylt=Aqn5UsWd0Aodtxe.FnFeyvC4ecYF (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/factbook/ca/milita.html;_ylt=Aqn5UsWd0Aodtxe.FnFeyvC4ecYF)
Australian Stats: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html#People (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html#People)

Thanks for the help   :)

Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: Colin P on July 13, 2006, 16:45:39
pop.   20,264,082

GDP $612.8 billion (2005 est.)

defense $17.84 billion (2005 est.)

source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html#People
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: InterestedParty on July 13, 2006, 16:48:51
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Opposition defence spokesman Robert McClelland said the DCP was a much-needed revision of defence capability requirements.

He said Labor remained concerned about the government's ability to effectively manage some of the feature projects including the acquisition of new MRH-90 helicopters, C-17 transport aircraft and the upgrade of Anzac frigates.

Amazing... I wonder what it's like having a responsible opposition party?
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: Infanteer on July 13, 2006, 17:26:15
Here is the link to the actual document:

http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/id/dcp/DCP_2006_16.pdf

As well, here is a more digestable one concerning future Aussie Defence programs:

http://www.defence.gov.au/publications/to_defend_australia.pdf

Keep in mind that these are long-term commitments and that no future Parliament is obliged to maintain them down the road if they wish not to.
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: Colin P on July 13, 2006, 18:27:23
GAP I think the Aussie also suffer from an overabundance of Liberals, clearly both countries need to send more of them on fact/landmine finding junkets.
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: GAP on July 13, 2006, 18:31:42
We could teach them....you take this metal shovel, and just keep pounding the ground in front of you, if nothing, jump up and down once. Take a step forward, repeat.    ;D
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: Ex-Dragoon on July 13, 2006, 21:22:07
Gee makes our upgrading look cheap, now if they would just repeal their gun laws.

I am more concerned whether or not we repeal our own gun laws, whether Australia does so has little bearing on gun owners here in Canada.
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: Colin P on July 14, 2006, 13:06:38
Unfortunately our raving anti-gun nutbars feed off of each others successes, hence the recent conference at the UN which luckily went down in flames. So if the aussies start to repeal some of their nutbar laws, it gives our government more latitude to do the same here and vis versa. Any legal and lawful gun owner in a democracy is our ally.
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: cobbler on July 14, 2006, 22:10:40
Amazing... I wonder what it's like having a responsible opposition party?
There is a difference between talking (mostly mindlessly, against all defence advice, and about completely unworkable proposals) and actually governing. The Australian Labor party has proven that it isn't responsible re:defence when in government.

GAP I think the Aussie also suffer from an overabundance of Liberals, clearly both countries need to send more of them on fact/landmine finding junkets.

Actually, Liberal here in Australia has the opposite meaning. The Australian Liberal Party (in government) is the conservative party. But yes many in the opposition parties are oblivious to reality.
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: RDBZ on July 15, 2006, 04:32:06
There is a difference between talking (mostly mindlessly, against all defence advice, and about completely unworkable proposals) and actually governing. The Australian Labor party has proven that it isn't responsible re:defence when in government.

Labor's problem was that while it did spend on defence (as a percentage of GDP in the late 80s/early 90s they actually spent more than the current government) they also saw defence spending as an industry development tool.  So there was always a tension between outcomes for defence, and outcomes for industry development.   At that time, as with all western countries, we also had unemployment, so with 20/20 hindsight its easy to see why some things turned out like they did.
Title: Re: Aussie Govt unveils $51b defence shopping list
Post by: Cdn Blackshirt on July 16, 2006, 11:45:01
Quick Press Release re: Australia's new Air Defence Destroyer Program....


Matthew.    :salute:

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Australia Seeks Ship Board Air Defenses Worth Up to $1 Billion

By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

Australia has asked to buy U.S.-made vertical launch air defense systems for three Aegis warships, a deal that could be worth as much $1 billion, the Pentagon said.

The proposed sale would be for three MK 41 Vertical Launch Systems and modifications to three MK 7 Aegis Weapon Systems, the Pentagon said.

”The estimated cost is $1 billion dollars,” it said.

The Pentagon’s notification to Congress highlighted Australia’s importance as an ally in the western Pacific, and its role in U.S. military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Should the sale go through, the principal contractors would be Lockheed Martin Maritime Systems and Sensors, Raytheon Corporation, and General Dynamics.