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The Role of the Police
« on: August 24, 2019, 11:37:16 »
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The past decade has not been kind to those we entrust (Edit: The Police), in the words of Sir Robert Peel, ‘to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen’.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/how-verbal-and-physical-abuse-drove-me-out-of-the-police/

The article is written by an ex-police officer.  I came across it after having had a conversation about citizen's arrest.

Today we hear much of "serve and protect" mottoes and that seems to have convinced people that the existence of the police has removed the need of the citizen to "serve and protect" and, to enforce the laws and not hinder justice.

Sir Robert Peel's constables were "citizens in uniform" authorized to do exactly what every citizen was authorized to do and being paid full time to do what was expected of every citizen on a voluntary basis. 

As in so many other areas things have changed.  The Police Officer has morphed from the "citizen in uniform" to the "civil servant in uniform" to the "government in uniform".  And just as people no longer see themselves in their governments they, equally, no longer see themselves in their police.  In fact many people, residents of a country, don't actually see themselves as citizens - people with a stake in their institutions and society.

No answers or really any comments.  Just an observation.

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Re: The Role of the Police
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2019, 12:06:55 »
I have been reading recently of a "suicide crisis" affecting the NYPD.

Nine as of August 16, 2019.

On the other side of the country, since July 2017, there have been no reported suicides of LAPD officers.

LAPD thinks they may have an answer,
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amberjamieson/nypd-suicide-crisis

All sorts of help available now compared to years ago. Paid Stress Leave. Presumptive legislation.

Also, it's pretty hard to change the public. But, if you are a member of a larger organization, it is possible over time to transfer into a branch of the department, or a geographic area, that may be more to your liking.

eg: Toronto Police has over 180 uniform and over 300 different civilian job opportunities in various parts of the city. Or perhaps the same job, but at a station with a lower call volume.

This came out a couple of days ago,

NYPD union urges ‘extreme caution’ in making any arrests
https://nypost.com/2019/08/20/nypd-union-urges-extreme-caution-in-making-any-arrests/

NYPD PBA telling all of their members to call paramedics for every single case where force was used on a suspect. They are also being advised by their union not to transport any prisoners until they have been seen and cleared by paramedics.

This will create one Heck of a paramedic backlog in NYC.

But, it demonstrates "the power of the badge".

Saw a similar slow down in the battle for the two-man car in Metro back in the 1970's,

The two-officer car was not achieved overnight in Metro:

"It took me 10 years to get two men* in a car in Metro. We had guys beaten up, stabbed and murdered when they were one in a car."
Sid Brown, President Metro Toronto Police Association
Star, December 20, 1976

Background:
In 1972, Metro Police was made an essential service. They gave up their right to strike in exchange for compulsory binding interest arbitration.
In 1974, the arbitrator ruled in favour of the  Metro Toronto Police Association on the two-man car issue.
Understandably, the higher ups were concerned that two-man cars would "drain" the car count.
This led to the 1976 slowdown by the union. Metro accepted the arbitration ruling.

They had to ante up and hire more officers to maintain the car count.

*Back then, it was always referred to, and reported as, "two-man car" rather than "two-officer car". It still is on the TPA website.




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Re: The Role of the Police
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2019, 20:33:17 »
NYPD union urges ‘extreme caution’ in making any arrests
https://nypost.com/2019/08/20/nypd-union-urges-extreme-caution-in-making-any-arrests/

NYPD PBA telling all of their members to call paramedics for every single case where force was used on a suspect. They are also being advised by their union not to transport any prisoners until they have been seen and cleared by paramedics.

With that advisory from the PBA, should be an interesting J'ouvert weekend in Brooklyn this year.

NYPD to have checkpoints, NYPD ESU teams, Strategic Response Group, Critical Response Command, bike units, blocker cars, barriers, Sanitation trucks, thousands of Police Officers, 300 floodlights, 60 cameras, the Mounted Unit & Aviation for J’Ouvert.

There used to be an annual pool,
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/cops-ouvert-death-pool-thread-disappears-thee-rant-site-article-1.2775013




« Last Edit: August 28, 2019, 21:23:12 by mariomike »

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Re: The Role of the Police
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2019, 12:44:34 »
I’m offended that you’re not offended? Is this the new direction of hate speech in UK as a police matter?

This is a somewhat startling article about how the role of the police has been evolving in the UK. Finally some people are pushing back against “snowflake” complainants.

Judge: The “Right to be Offended does not exist”:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/20/right-offended-does-not-exist-judge-says-court-hears-police/

“ In legal documents lodged before the High Court, lawyers representing the (Police) College argued that the guidelines are necessary to resolve social tensions that could escalate into crimes.

“The role of British police today goes beyond bringing offenders to justice when they commit crimes,” the College argued in written submissions, adding that “police now take an active role in the resolution of conflict within and between communities.”

So the police in Britain have totally lost their mind.

Resolving conflict between communities over things like being offended by a tweet that is not criminal conduct is not worth creating a file over. This  is not the role of the police in Canada yet and hopefully we don’t ever go there.

« Last Edit: November 24, 2019, 12:53:54 by Cloud Cover »
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