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Mexican News
« on: July 01, 2018, 23:37:48 »
If he follows through on his promise to invade the US with illegals I see a worsening of relations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exit-polls-show-mexicos-lopez-obrador-winning-election-rivals-concede/ar-AAzs5xR?ocid=spartandhp

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2018, 00:00:13 »
The U.S. may have to do something drastic, like build a wall or something....
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2018, 04:18:51 »
Mexicans in California voted in the election ?Is it legal ?I don't like it people voting in another countries election.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-mex-elect-20180628-story.html

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2018, 04:43:00 »
Mexicans in California voted in the election ?Is it legal ?I don't like it people voting in another countries election.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-mex-elect-20180628-story.html
expats vote all the time. https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2016/11/02/american-voters-overseas-the-51st-state

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"AROUND 30m Americans have already voted in the 2016 election. This includes military ballots and early voting. Yet it also includes a cohort that is poorly represented: overseas Americans. Where Virginians and Nevadans militate for their concerns in the capital, expatriate issues like double-taxation are largely mute. The government bizarrely doesn’t keep tabs on their numbers, but estimates range from 9m (the State Department) to 1m (the number of overseas tax filers, representing an estimated 2.1m people). The Federal Voter Assistance Program estimates 5.7m."


"Other countries’ diaspora have occasionally amassed a mighty voice at home. In the 2007 French presidential election candidates visited London to woo the 300,000 citizens there, making the British capital France’s sixth largest city. Iraq’s election in 2005 might have been strongly influenced by the more than 1m Iraqis living abroad, but only a quarter of them registered to vote. In America’s 2012 election, 46m people, a third of all voters, cast early or absentee ballots. The most populous place for expats are Vancouver (183,000) and Tel Aviv (100,000). Indeed the day may come when presidential candidates make campaign stops in the 7th arrondissement or Roppongi Hills."


Why is it special when Mexicans do it?
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2018, 05:25:29 »
There is a movement that wants Cali to leave the union.It doesn't stand much of a chance but with all the Hispanics in Cali they could vote to join Mexico.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2018, 07:29:54 »
If that's what they want ....  ;D

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 09:00:29 »
If he follows through on his promise to invade the US with illegals I see a worsening of relations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exit-polls-show-mexicos-lopez-obrador-winning-election-rivals-concede/ar-AAzs5xR?ocid=spartandhp


Or it might be a tactic to use against trump to get what he wants.  Sounds familiar...
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 11:04:07 »
If he follows through on his promise to invade the US with illegals I see a worsening of relations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exit-polls-show-mexicos-lopez-obrador-winning-election-rivals-concede/ar-AAzs5xR?ocid=spartandhp

Don't worry, President Trump "holds all the cards."  AMLO will be powerless to force anything on the President.

https://www.davidharrisjr.com/politics/mexican-candidate-vows-to-flood-us-with-illegals-calls-it-human-rights/

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Mexico has facilitated illegal aliens from Central and South America before, but if Obrador decides to go through with his threats, his country could pay a huge price. Just the remittances alone would wipe out a nice little chunk of their GDP to the tune of just over 1 trillion dollars a year. President Trump holds all the cards, but Obrador is a massive progressive populist, and as a member of the ruling class won’t feel the same debilitating effects as the average Mexican citizen.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 11:58:45 »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exit-polls-show-mexicos-lopez-obrador-winning-election-rivals-concede/ar-AAzs5xR?ocid=spartandhp

Addressing accusations of authoritarianism, Lopez Obrador told tens of thousands of supporters last week there would be no dictatorship. He promises to respect ....freedom of the press ....
Pity;  Trump seems to like dictators.  And that whole 'respecting the press' stuff.... that's just crazy talk.


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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 12:06:09 »
Mexicans in California voted in the election ?Is it legal ?I don't like it people voting in another countries election.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-mex-elect-20180628-story.html

Lebanese Expats in Australia vote in Lebanon's elections.

http://www.ualm.org.au/historic-opportunity-vote-lebanons-elections-australia-closes-nov-20-2017/
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 12:12:32 »
Finally the media is picking up on the fact that being a populist is not just a right-wing tactic.

Also moved this over to Global Politics as I really don't see a Defense/Security nexus unless Mexico elected El Chapo.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2018, 12:15:53 »
UK citizens can vote in domestic elections from foreign locations for up to 15 years after immigrating from the U.K.

For many nations around the world, there is nothing seen as untoward to allow their expatriate citizens to vote in an election. :dunno:

All the best to the Mexican people, they are an incredibly hard working and warm people and deserve an improvement in their quality of life.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2018, 14:07:20 »
>There is a movement that wants Cali to leave the union.It doesn't stand much of a chance but with all the Hispanics in Cali they could vote to join Mexico.

Separation has been tried before.  At the least, it would trigger a genuine crisis.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2018, 14:49:41 »
There is a movement that wants Cali to leave the union.It doesn't stand much of a chance but with all the Hispanics in Cali they could vote to join Mexico.
what does this have to do with expats voting in mexican elections?
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2018, 16:10:56 »
Cali joining Mexico would be a win win for Mexico.The main stumbling block is water.Cali gets theirs from border states.Actually some want to break Cali into 3 states,which wont work for the red states.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2018, 16:15:51 »
Between offering a true and unequivocal threat to the United States (unrestricted immigration) and the inevitable counter reactions, a socialist program which looks something like Venezuela on steroids and a very serious erosion of government power and authority caused by the Cartels war against the Mexican State, Mexico is going to be in for "Interesting Times", in the Chinese sense of the phrase.

A trillion dollar tax on remittances looks like a particularly lush, low hanging fruit, and the economic dislocations caused by the tariffs will certainly be deleterious to López Obrador's supporters and donors, especially if they are targeted by the US Administration to do so.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 16:17:31 »
Cali joining Mexico would be a win win for Mexico.The main stumbling block is water.Cali gets theirs from border states.Actually some want to break Cali into 3 states,which wont work for the red states.
what does this have to do with the Mexican election?

I'm honestly confused as to how a election in Mexico leads to a discussion of California leaving the union.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 17:34:54 »
Demographics and local politics, not to mention history.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 18:34:43 »
what does this have to do with the Mexican election?

I'm honestly confused as to how a election in Mexico leads to a discussion of California leaving the union.
In 2015, 10.7 million immigrants comprised 27.3 percent of the population, how many of them do you think are Mexican?

Sounds like the new Mexican president is threatening weaponizing immigrants.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 18:58:41 »
Sounds like the new Mexican president is threatening weaponizing immigrants.

Politicians have already weaponized them. Its slowly creeping up here, but everytime I listen to US Politics near an election its about this ethnic community vote or that ethnic community vote. People are analyzed down to gender, race, religion subgroups and targetted, or those groups are pushed to target another group. If the new Mexican President is talking about using immigrants/illegal migrants as political weapons to the US, it'll just galvanize the far-right in the US and push some centrists over to their side and blow up right in Mexico's face.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2018, 09:11:10 »
In 2015, 10.7 million immigrants comprised 27.3 percent of the population, how many of them do you think are Mexican?

Sounds like the new Mexican president is threatening weaponizing immigrants.
So let me get this straight.

People are fleeing Mexico because of drug wars, gang violence, police and military corruption, economic hardship, and will vote in a non existent referendum to have California join Mexico in order to have a return to the drug wars, gang violence, police and military corruption, economic hardship that they were fleeing in the first place?

Yeah, why not.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2018, 09:59:00 »
So let me get this straight.

People are fleeing Mexico because of drug wars, gang violence, police and military corruption, economic hardship, and will vote in a non existent referendum to have California join Mexico in order to have a return to the drug wars, gang violence, police and military corruption, economic hardship that they were fleeing in the first place?

Yeah, why not.

Yup.

If the US government is ramping up deporting illegal immigrants it makes more sense for them to try and keep what they have and where they have it then go back to Mexico.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2018, 10:05:44 »
Yup.

If the US government is ramping up deporting illegal immigrants it makes more sense for them to try and keep what they have and where they have it then go back to Mexico.
Here's the issue with this.

Illegals aren't voting in any California referendum, are they?

And those here legally aren't at risk at being rounded up and deported, and probably have little sympathy for those here illegally, nor do they want a return to mexico.

Your logic is flawed.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 10:12:49 »
Here's the issue with this.

Illegals aren't voting in any California referendum, are they?

And those here legally aren't at risk at being rounded up and deported, and probably have little sympathy for those here illegally, nor do they want a return to mexico.

Your logic is flawed.

I think what's flawed is your geography.  Unless you moved to the US?
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 10:14:41 »
I think what's flawed is your geography.  Unless you moved to the US?
Please elaborate on that point.

Unless you live in California.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 10:16:16 »

Are you talking about illegal Mexicans in  Canada?
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 10:18:56 »
Are you talking about illegal Mexicans in  Canada?
No, I'm talking about illegal Mexicans in California, as was the topic of conversation, and what all the angst is about.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2018, 10:24:09 »
I was confused when you said

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 10:27:59 »
I was confused when you said
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2018, 10:51:34 »
You forgot it twice. Are you sure you're not experiencing a bit of nationality creep?
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2018, 10:53:51 »
Please elaborate on that point.

Unless you live in California.

There is no such direct threat. But, see below where there is apparently growing support for Cali to succeed from the Union through a voting process. I suppose it could be implied that a large immigrant base from Mexico could tip the numbers in favor of success of that initiative.  The movement, however is being driven out of a desire to hurt Trump, not become part of Mexico.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-secession-ballot-initiative-organizers-signatures/
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2018, 16:44:04 »
You be surprised what people vote for when it's is marketed right. There are people in California both of Mexican and Non-Mexican descent who would vote to leave the US, because it's "Bad and Evil". they can't comprehend what would await them.

There are Mexicans that do not want their homeland troubles to follow them and many legal Mexicans have little time for the illegals. It is a complex as you dig down. However Non-US trivialize the issue, because we don't face the same issue, hell we have concerns about 38,000 illegals, when adjusted for population, our "fair share" should be 1.1 million every year. How long do you think Canadians would tolerate that?   

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2018, 17:06:35 »
I think Canada grossly underestimates the number of undocumented or fraudulently documented people in this country.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2018, 18:09:35 »
You be surprised what people vote for when it's is marketed right. There are people in California both of Mexican and Non-Mexican descent who would vote to leave the US, because it's "Bad and Evil". they can't comprehend what would await them.

There are Mexicans that do not want their homeland troubles to follow them and many legal Mexicans have little time for the illegals. It is a complex as you dig down. However Non-US trivialize the issue, because we don't face the same issue, hell we have concerns about 38,000 illegals, when adjusted for population, our "fair share" should be 1.1 million every year. How long do you think Canadians would tolerate that?


Canadians would do what they always do; howl, *****, and whine, then roll over, bite the pillow, and take it.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2018, 19:15:33 »
So Rum & Coke, sodomy and hockey is the Canadian way?  :whistle:

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2018, 19:26:21 »
So Rum & Coke, sodomy and hockey is the Canadian way?  :whistle:

No, but apathy is.
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2018, 12:07:06 »
California is a highly taxed state without water if they want to leave so be it.Ex Cali residents have moved to neighboring states.My uncle was one he took his liberal politics with him to Nevada which has no state income tax.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2018, 12:12:13 »
California is a highly taxed state without water if they want to leave so be it.Ex Cali residents have moved to neighboring states.My uncle was one he took his liberal politics with him to Nevada which has no state income tax.
I really don't know this is being discussed as a serious topic of conversation.

I mean,  Texas was closer to leaving the union under obama than California is under Trump,  and let's be clear,  neither are close.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2018, 13:42:53 »
Californians love to talk about leaving (particularly San Fransisco ones) However since they have banned most things in the State, don't have anywhere near enough water or power to run the State within their own borders and would lose the Fed cash, they quickly lose steam, sounds vaguely familiar.... 

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2018, 23:42:24 »
Mexico wants a deal before the new Presidrnt takes power.       

https://pilotonline.com/business/consumer/article_599976db-fea0-540a-a95b-6e3e924fc1a0.html

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2018, 07:00:30 »
Not a problem. AMLO can just pull a Trump and change the deal when he gets into power.  Easy-peasey - welcome to the New Workd Economic Order.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2018, 07:13:00 »
Seems more like the US wants a deal before the new president takes office.  This doesn’t sound as close as it is made out to be.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2018, 07:21:19 »
FYI Trump has another year in his first term and will be runnin for his second term next year. 8)

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2018, 07:23:01 »
FYI Trump has another year in his first term and will be runnin for his second term next year. 8)

The New Mexican President.  Who after dec 1st will be somewhat more difficult to deal with...hence the urgency.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2018, 11:05:19 »
Illegal and legal migrants are said to send $70b a year back to families in Mexico,so I don't see anyone wanting to upset that apple cart.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2018, 11:14:00 »
Illegal and legal migrants are said to send $70b a year back to families in Mexico,so I don't see anyone wanting to upset that apple cart.

So President Trump is okay with letting Mexican illegal aliens stay in America to send money back home, in order to make a pre-NAFTA deal with President Peña Nieto and avoid dealing with AMLO?

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2018, 11:22:54 »
ICE if they find illegal aliens will detain them.I don't think anything has changed.Some of these issues are being faced by Canada due to unlawful migration across our common border.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2018, 11:31:19 »
ICE if they find illegal aliens will detain them.I don't think anything has changed.Some of these issues are being faced by Canada due to unlawful migration across our common border.

But your earlier post alludes to the fact that neither America, nor Mexico really want to change the status quo, so it would follow that ICE really won't go hunting for illegal aliens with any greater effort than in years past, otherwise the apple cart gets upset, and the basis of the imminent agreement between Trump and Peña Nieto would be weakened/invalidated.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2018, 11:52:08 »
Years ago there was a bill in the Senate that wasnt passed it would have put a tax on money transfers if the sender couldnt prove his status.

https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/s79/BILLS-114s79is.pdf


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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2018, 13:43:59 »
So is President Trump going to try again with a similar bill, given how unfair it is for illegal aliens to be sending money to their families back in Mexico?   I also assume that part and parcel of the “follow the money” trail would also include the IRS tracking not only the employees, but also the employers?

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2018, 15:49:25 »
Any bill like that would likely sideswipe a huge portion of legal immigrants as well. Many countries' primary source of foreign currency comes from remittances that emigrants send back home.
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