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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #125 on: May 06, 2019, 08:43:51 »
While it is still early, I'd say that there's a good chance of a Conservative majority if current trends continue.

As much as I would like to believe this, I don't think that'll be the outcome.

I also think we're in for a very American style campaign of unprecedented (in Canada anyways) drive-by smears, highly personal attacks and a ferociously emotion driven interpretation of truth.  Given that the Liberals of late have become quite experienced at deflection, obfuscation and disinformation, I believe their campaign machine will carry the day and result in, at a minimum, a Liberal minority.  I believe this because their messaging will stray away from the key election issues which are their vulnerabilities, and focus on the Trudeau personality cult based, in part, on continued consistent messaging that our celebrity PM is the best choice for today's Canada and the right "person" (see what I did there?) to keep those rogue Conservative premiers in line.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #126 on: May 06, 2019, 08:57:57 »
"A Fridge Too Far" is not likely to gain many Liberal votes, and there is now a Change.org petition asking Loblaws to return the handout. That petition, as it draws further attention, may damage the Liberals at least a little bit more. Lavscam has yet to die out, and SNC-Lavalin are still fighting for their DPA. I don't know when Liberal MP LGen (Retired) Andrew Leslie will testify in VAdm Mark Norman's trial, or what, exactly, he will say, but, should it happen prior to the election, that won't help either.

Just an aside, at the Battle of Atlantic ceremony yesterday at the National War Memorial, General(Ret) Leslie was present in the front row with all the other VIPs.

Hmmm.

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #127 on: May 06, 2019, 21:21:41 »
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-consumer-confidence-slumps-in-april-amid-weak-economy-1.1254348

Canada consumer confidence slumps in April amid weak economy

Theophilos Argitis, Bloomberg News

Canadians’ confidence in the economy continues to hover at depressed levels, suggesting prospects for a strong rebound are dim.

Households are worried about the outlook for growth and their personal finances, the latest telephone polling show. Sentiment, already low, showed signs of further deterioration in the final weeks of April.

The Bloomberg Nanos Canadian Confidence Index ended April at 54.9, down from 55.4 at the end of March. The drop reverses a string of two consecutive monthly gains for the measure. The confidence index, a good barometer of overall economic health, has remained close to current levels for most of 2019, after plunging for much of 2018.

Canada’s economy is undergoing one of its most sluggish periods in the past decade with growth at a near halt amid a confluence of negative developments, including last year’s sharp decline in oil prices and growing global trade tensions that have curtailed business investment. Home owners have also been rattled by a slowdown in real estate markets, particularly Vancouver and Toronto.

Every week, Nanos Research asks 250 Canadians for their views on personal finances, job security, the outlook for the economy and where real estate prices are headed. Bloomberg publishes four-week rolling averages of the 1,000 telephone responses. The composite indicator is calculated from the rolling averages of the four questions.

The polling found that only 13.1 per cent of Canadians believe the economy will get stronger over the next six months, near record lows for this question. Households are also reporting concerns about their personal finances, with 29.5 per cent claiming their finances have worsened over the past year. On the plus side, Canadians are showing more confidence in the housing market, with readings for this question returning to more average levels for the survey.

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https://www.hilltimes.com/2019/05/06/with-the-clock-ticking-and-ticking-fast-to-the-election-liberal-support-headed-in-the-wrong-direction-at-the-wrong-time-say-veteran-political-analysts/198759

‘Clock ticking fast’ to next election, but Liberal support headed in ‘wrong direction at the wrong time,’ say veteran political analysts

By Abbas Rana  May. 6, 2019

'It’s never over until it’s over,’ but Liberal strategists should be ‘very concerned’ the general polling trends do not favour the governing Liberals, says Shachi Kurl, executive director of the Angus Reid Institute.

With the “clock ticking and ticking fast” to the next election, support for the federal Liberals is headed in the “wrong direction at the wrong time,” bleeding a significant chunk of their support across the country, say veteran pollsters, and the governing party should be “very concerned” that they control the national agenda, get the maximum media coverage, and yet they are still consistently behind the Conservatives this close to the October vote.

“Think about it: you have control of all the mechanisms of government, you should be able to push up your popularity just before you go into the election, and the Liberals have been completely knocked off stride,” said Ipsos CEO Darrel Bricker in an interview with The Hill Times. “They’re headed in the wrong direction at the wrong time.”

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Meanwhile, Mr. Bricker said the reason Canadians are looking more favourably at the Conservatives over all other parties is because Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer’s (Regina-Qu’Appelle, Sask.) party is capitalizing on the mistakes the governing party has been making, and the Conservatives’ success is a reflection of how Canadians view the Liberals’ performance.

Since coming to power in 2015, the Liberals have broken a number of key promises, and have made unforced errors on issues, including ditching electoral reform, ethical controversies involving senior Liberals, the gaffe-plagued India trip, not balancing the budget, controversial corporate tax changes, and most recently, the SNC-Lavalin scandal. Last week, the Conservatives launched a multi-million TV ad campaign in English and French against the Liberals, reminding voters about the broken promises and the other controversies that Liberals have run into in their time in power.

Mr. Bricker said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s (Papineau, Que.) Liberals should be concerned that they are behind the Conservatives even though the Liberals control the agenda, and thereby get more media coverage. He said once the writ is dropped, all political parties and their leaders are going to get equal coverage, so Liberals don’t have a lot of time left before they lose this advantage. After the House adjourns, each passing day will diminish their incumbency advantage in terms of setting the agenda and media attention. At the same time, however, opposition parties and their leaders will start to receive more intense media scrutiny than they do now, Mr. Bricker said.

What is alarming for Liberals, he said, is that their party is in second place in almost all the recent polls, and that has become a trend. The only difference is by what percentage they trail.

“It’s settling into a pattern,” said Mr. Bricker. “There’s no poll right now that doesn’t have the Conservatives in first place, there’s no poll that doesn’t have the Liberals in second place, and there’s no poll that doesn’t have the NDP in third place.”

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #128 on: May 07, 2019, 10:39:56 »
The fringes are bleeding off the main 3. The Greens in particular, maybe they will take a firm root with seats in most provinces.  That would likely hurt the NDP and Libs  more than CPC, although some conservatives will consider the Green platform on economic grounds.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #129 on: May 07, 2019, 18:43:10 »
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-canadians-have-fallen-desperately-out-of-love-with-justin-trudeau

Andrew Coyne: Canadians have fallen desperately out of love with Justin Trudeau

The problem seems less to do with any one incident than with a slowly cementing impression: of a leader who talks a good game but does not deliver

Andrew Coyne May 6, 2019 8:39 PM EDT

There are precedents for the extraordinary swoon in popularity the governing Liberals are currently enduring, and have endured - 20 points in the polls in two and a half years, according to data collected by the CBC’s Poll Tracker site - but you have to go back some way to find one.

The Harper government stayed within a comparatively narrow band throughout its time in office, never falling below 30 per cent, never rising much above 40. The Chretien government likewise lost only a little altitude over the years, remaining well above 40 per cent in most polls until the sponsorships scandal brought them down to earth.

But a government falling this far, this fast, in its first term? To have done so, what is more, without even the aid of a recession - with unemployment and mortgage rates both in single digits, and separatism (in Quebec, at least) quiescent? The only parallel that comes to mind is with the first Mulroney government.

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Poll Tracker now has them an average of seven points behind the Conservatives. There are reputable pollsters who put them as much as 13 points behind. Worse still are the numbers in the regions, where elections in Canada are won and lost. They are now 10 points back in B.C., where they led by five in the last election, the party’s best showing there since 1968. They trail narrowly in Ontario, a province they won by 10 points last time. Likewise for Atlantic Canada - where they won by nearly 40 points.

Even in Quebec, where as late as the start of this year they looked likely to pick up a dozen seats or more - enough to make up for their projected losses elsewhere - their lead is now down to just 10 points, the same as in 2015. Not so long ago, the worst-case scenario for the party was that it would be reduced to a minority. As things stand, that’s about the best it can hope for.

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It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the party’s unpopularity is connected to that of its leader. That’s true for most parties at most times, of course: Canadian politics is unusually fixated on the leader. But today’s Liberal party has taken the cult-worship of the leader to new heights. Indeed, it is almost wholly his creation; he alone could have raised the Liberals from the near-death experience of 2011. Or so it must have seemed to the party, which was thus spared any more searching examination of its predicament.

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And the public would appear to have fallen desperately out of love with Justin Trudeau. The latest Angus Reid poll gives him an astonishing net approval rating of minus 39 (28 per cent approval, 67 per cent disapproval). It isn’t that there is any great wave of enthusiasm for his rivals: among party leaders, only the Green Party’s Elizabeth May enjoys a positive net approval rating. But none excites anywhere near such antipathy.

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The problem seems less to do with any one incident than with a slowly cementing impression: of a leader who talks a good game but does not deliver; who is more concerned with symbols than substance; who spends more time posturing on social issues than attending to the nuts and bolts of governing; whose record of broken promises and centralization of power looks more like the cynical calculations of politics as usual than the shiny idealism he once seemed to embody.

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Not specific to the upcoming election, but worth a read, I thought: https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/may-2019/pms-caucus-expulsions-reveal-rot-in-parliament/

PM’s caucus expulsions reveal rot in Parliament


The expulsion of two Liberal cabinet ministers from their caucus shows the need for ambitious democratic reforms, reforms that are not easily subverted.

Michael Chong May 6, 2019

The SNC-Lavalin affair offers a rare glimpse into the inner workings of the PMO, and raises concerns about prosecutorial independence and political interference in our judicial system. But it also revealed something equally concerning - the disempowerment of members of Parliament versus their party leaders. Justin Trudeau’s unilateral expulsion of MPs Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott from the Liberal team is a testament to the omnipotence of prime ministers over their caucuses. Clearly, more expansive parliamentary reforms are required.

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The Reform Act, 2014, assumed that the rule of law is strong in the corridors of Parliament. It assumed that members of Parliament would self-regulate and govern themselves according to that principle. What took place at the first Liberal caucus meeting makes it clear that this assumption was wrong. It revealed a deep rot in Parliament. What took place justified the whole purpose of the Reform Act, which is to rebalance the power between elected MPs and all-too powerful party leaders, who are so powerful they believe themselves to be above the law.

The amendments I have suggested above would ensure that the legal right and obligation of members of Parliament to decide who has power to expel is respected, while strengthening the rule of law.

The Reform Act, 2014, was just a small step in the right direction of rebalancing power in Ottawa. But even though it passed into law it was of little force, because it ran into a political culture that is “all about the leader.” But the SNC-Lavalin affair and the resulting expulsions of Wilson-Raybould and Philpott have shed light on the need for much more ambitious democratic reforms, reforms that are not easily subverted. Perhaps it’s time for another, much bigger Reform Act.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/andrew-scheer-foreign-policy-speech-1.5126144

In first major foreign policy speech, Scheer takes aim at 'disastrous' Trudeau

Conservative leader says he'd move embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, join U.S.-led missile defence program

John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: May 07, 2019 12:52 PM ETConservative Leader Andrew Scheer delivered a hard-hitting speech Tuesday that sought to outline his foreign policy priorities while laying Canada's perceived failures on the file squarely at the prime minister's feet.

Scheer said Justin Trudeau has demonstrated "a fundamental unseriousness and misunderstanding" of global issues during his time in power. He also attacked the government's "Canada is back" sloganeering as meaningless.

"Being a good ally and contributor on the world stage requires more than just talk. Both our allies and adversaries respect strength and confidence," Scheer said during a luncheon address to the Montreal Council on Foreign Relations.

"We have seen serious mistakes like this over and over again from this government, and they are almost always attributable to Mr. Trudeau's poor judgment."

The speech repeated many of the attack lines the Conservative Party has directed against Trudeau and the governing Liberals in question period in recent months. It also offered some new details - but few specifics - about what a Tory government would do differently, such as joining a U.S.-led global missile-defense coalition and starting "the necessary work towards moving Canada's embassy to Jerusalem."


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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #130 on: May 08, 2019, 14:12:29 »
Scheer rolls out an ambitious defence agenda, but critics ask: Where's the money?

The Conservative leader's foreign policy speech was a grab-bag of old party favourites - minus the specifics

Murray Brewster · CBC News · Posted: May 08, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: an hour ago

A little joke used to make its way around the Harper Conservative government every time National Defence presented Andrew Scheer's former boss with the bills for new equipment — about how Stephen Harper would emit an audible 'gulp' of alarm when they crossed his desk.

Scheer, in the first of a series of election-framing speeches for the Conservatives, pledged yesterday to wrap his arms around Canada's allies, take the politics out of defence procurement, buy new submarines, join the U.S. ballistic missile defence program and expand the current military mission in Ukraine in an undefined way.

What was absent from the Conservative leader's speech — a greatest-hits medley of road-tested Conservative policy favourites, blended with jabs at the Trudeau government's record — was an answer to the first question his supporters usually ask on these occasions:

How are you going to pay for it?

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"I will reinvigorate Canada's role in the alliances we share with our democratic allies. This includes existing alliances like NORAD, NATO, the Commonwealth, La Francophonie and the Five Eyes, but it will also include overtures to India and Japan," Scheer said.

He also pledged a Conservative government would do more in Eastern Europe.

"This will include expanding upon the current missions to support Ukraine and providing Ukraine's military with the equipment they need to defend their borders," said the Conservative leader.

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Politicians are to blame, Scheer said.

"Military procurement in Canada is hyper-politicized, to our detriment," he said. "By playing politics with these matters, governments have diminished the important responsibility to adequately and expediently equip the Armed Forces."

Michael Byers, a University of British Columbia defence policy expert, said removing politics from procurement decisions would be a fantastic step forward, one that could save taxpayers boatloads of money by doing away with pet projects and regional interests.

"It's an admirable goal, but he would be the first prime minister ever to take the politics out of defence procurement," he said. "So, I'm skeptical about whether he would actually do so ... I take that statement with a very large grain of salt."


More at link https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-foreign-defence-policy-procurement-trudeau-1.5127028
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #131 on: May 09, 2019, 15:46:45 »
"Michael Byers, a University of British Columbia defence policy expert, said removing politics from procurement decisions would be a fantastic step forward, one that could save taxpayers boatloads of money by doing away with pet projects and regional interests."

This coming from a self appointed defence expert who ran for the NDP, and has a pretty well known agenda to entirely politicize the procurement system by ensuring that procurements of any military weapons utility are discarded.
Wait ... maybe he IS in charge of procurement.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #132 on: May 09, 2019, 19:58:11 »
https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/09/ex-tory-mp-del-mastro-accuses-elections-canada-of-a-personal-vendetta/

Ex-Tory MP Del Mastro accuses Elections Canada of a 'personal vendetta'

by The Canadian Press Posted May 9, 2019 9:51 am PDT

OTTAWA - A former Conservative MP who spent time behind bars for electoral offences is accusing Canada’s elections authority of having a personal vendetta against him - and he’s calling for a parliamentary investigation.

Dean Del Mastro was handed a one-month jail term in 2014 after being convicted of failing to report a $21,000 contribution he made to his own 2008 re-election campaign, overspending and knowingly filing a false report.

The ex-parliamentary secretary to former prime minister Stephen Harper is calling on MPs to launch a thorough investigation into the handling of his case that would include testimony from Canada’s elections commissioner.

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« Reply #133 on: May 28, 2019, 11:02:34 »
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« Reply #134 on: May 28, 2019, 11:56:00 »

They probably have a good chance at getting elected.  But they are not run of the mill independents.

This CBC article offers a good opinion on the subject.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-philpott-wherry-independents-1.5151157
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« Reply #135 on: May 28, 2019, 19:09:40 »
Good luck with that Max, I wish you success, but watch out for milk shakes:
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #136 on: May 29, 2019, 08:36:51 »
Good luck with that Max, I wish you success, but watch out for milk shakes:

Speaking of Max, looks like the saner members of his party might be jumping ship.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/abandoning-the-people-s-party-drake-gets-dragged-postmedia-s-politics-milkshaking-high-cuisine-and-more-1.5147118/the-nastier-side-of-populism-why-founding-organizers-are-quitting-maxime-bernier-s-new-party-1.5147163


and Chantal Hebert argues that the CPC has nothing to fear from him.

https://brooksbulletin.com/scheer-has-little-to-fear-from-berniers-breakaway-party/

6 months ago I thought that Bernier and the PPC would erode 5-10% of the popular vote from the CPC (not actual seats but votes).  enough to affect certain swing ridings.  Now I'm not so sure they will even be a factor...
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #137 on: May 29, 2019, 19:08:08 »
Not the run-up to this election, but I did not want to start a thread for 2023 this early.

The knives may not be out just yet, but some Liberals may be at least considering some sharpening and oiling as their worry increases...

https://www.ourwindsor.ca/opinion-story/9396023-liberal-insiders-looking-at-mark-carney-as-trudeau-s-successor/

Liberal insiders looking at Mark Carney as Trudeau’s successor

May 28, 2019 by Chantal Hébert

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s leadership has not emerged unscathed from his trouble-plagued pre-election season.

With a possible Liberal defeat this fall in mind, some insiders are already strategizing a path to the party leadership for former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney.

Carney is due to finish his current gig as governor of the Bank of England at the end of this year. There has long been speculation that he could one day land in the Canadian political arena and that if he did, he would cast his lot with the Liberals.

As the party’s fortunes have declined in the pre-election polls, that speculation has turned into active interest - if not on Carney’s part, at least on that of some of his many fans inside the party.

On a recent conference call, a group of them discussed how Trudeau’s diminished prospects could result in an early opportunity for Carney to succeed him.

According to one participant, the group is working on the assumption that Trudeau will be hard-pressed to win more than 140 seats in October.

That would be down from 184 in the 2015 election, and well short of the 170 seats required to command a majority in the House of Commons.

With fewer than 140 seats, the Liberals would - at best - be left with a very fragile minority government. At worst, Trudeau would have led his party back to opposition.

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The issue of Trudeau’s succession - a remote prospect for the overwhelming majority of Liberals only six months ago - is now clearly more current.

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The past suggests that it usually takes two ingredients for leadership fever to set in within Liberal ranks.

The first is a critical mass of malcontents, made up of past and present movers and shakers who feel ignored or shunted aside by the current leadership team.

The second is widespread fear among the grassroots and the caucus that the leader is becoming a liability.

There has long been no lack of the first. Since Trudeau became leader, he and his team have alienated many in the Liberal old guard. Generational change rarely come easily to those in long-standing positions of influence.

The second is more recent and stems from the troubles that have befallen the Prime Minister’s Office over a particularly difficult political winter, but also from the sense - even as the government has started to turn the page on the controversies of the recent past - that the prime minister is not at the top of his game.

It may take more than an election victory this fall - especially if Trudeau falls short of securing a second majority - to cleanse the Liberals waters of the blood that has some of the party’s sharks once again circling their leader’s raft.

From http://www.bourque.org/nates.html of 9 April, in a similar vein (Pierre Bourque seems to have some good political connections):

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"I'm wondering more about who is the brain trust preparing for the election at Lib HQ. Is there any adult supervision ? Anyone with a genuine win under their belt ? Someone with actual trench warfare experience ?"

Sausage ponders the thought as he maws on a slice of buttered rye toast.

"It's a no-win gig", admits Sausage, "nobody in the family wants to take credit for dropping the Party from majority to minority or defeat."

"And you think we're gonna lose our majority ?" Bacon now looks a bit worried.

"I have no doubt, we are not going to repeat", asserts Sausage. "We don't have a stellar government record of achievement to run on beyond satisfying the pot heads and I don't know how many of them remember to vote on election day .. we don't have the leader's sunny ways charisma to bank on anymore .. we don't have Harper's longevity to run against either .. and we've got that frikkin' PMO/SNC scandal continuing to drag us down".

Bacon checks his timeline on the Huawei mobile as he's forming his reply, but before he can rebut, Sausage continues with his thought.

"So, what you're trying to understand is what will it take to not go down to abject defeat .. and who has the bona fides to prevent it from happening ?"

Bacon is ready this time.

"The problem is deeper than what you've laid out, mon ami. Think about how Justin treated the Liberal Senators. He threw them out of caucus."

"True that", admits Sausage, "as stupid a move as Harper not stacking the Senate when he still had the chance. If you don't feed the beast, the beast feeds on you. Period."

Bacon nods, continues.

"And think about how he's treated party strategists with decades of experience. He froze them out. And remember for the most part it was a very small cabal of kool-aid'rs who stumbled into the 2015 win with Justin. By pure accident. At the right place at the right time."

Sausage is nodding in agreement. He knows all this, but is hoping Bacon is leading himself towards the answer he's looking for. He motions with his toast for Bacon to finish his thought.

"Ok, ok, so, the main problem is there are a lot of key Liberals, the real so-called 'Liberal election strategists', well, they're still on the outside looking in. And they're in no rush to, well, rush in to help. They've perhaps rightly strategized that it would be best to let the current team trip up and then come in after election day with whatever help is needed, especially if it is a very iffy minority situation where Trudeau will be literally begging for help. And if Trudeau actually loses, even better in the minds of some who will assume Trudeau will be gone and a leadership campaign will be on the horizon."

"So no help for the leader ?" Sausage is side-glancing at a cabinet minister's chief of staff who came and went with a load of bagels, lox, and cream cheese in the time that Bacon was laying out his theory. He couldn't tell if the government credit card was used for the purchase.

Bacon shrugs. "No upside, they'll likely focus on some of the better MPs and help them in local campaigns instead."

"Brutal", Sausage says.

"I could be wrong," hedges Bacon as he picks a piece of meat from his teeth, "but I am not uncertain at this point.".

Developing.

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #138 on: June 02, 2019, 16:52:38 »
Gee, does anyone not think for a second that China would be spending some serious cash to groups to promote re-electing Mr. Trudeau again??    You'd have to be a fool to think otherwise, they know he "admires" them and that he'll crumble if pushed.
Would that be a crime by Mr. Trudeau??  Not for a second.....
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #139 on: June 02, 2019, 19:02:25 »
Gee, does anyone not think for a second that China would be spending some serious cash to groups to promote re-electing Mr. Trudeau again??    You'd have to be a fool to think otherwise, they know he "admires" them and that he'll crumble if pushed.
Would that be a crime by Mr. Trudeau??  Not for a second.....

Not so sure given the whole Huawei debacle going on.  If Canada blocks China from 5G they won’t be keen on sending any money here for anything.  And as long as their princess is being detained I doubt they will do anything to keep the Liberals in power.

I’m more concerned with special interest groups masquerading as charities doing what they can to influence the election here than I am with China.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #140 on: June 02, 2019, 19:31:30 »
Gee, does anyone not think for a second that China would be spending some serious cash to groups to promote re-electing Mr. Trudeau again??    You'd have to be a fool to think otherwise, they know he "admires" them and that he'll crumble if pushed.
Would that be a crime by Mr. Trudeau??  Not for a second.....

Given our election finance laws with strict limits on donations, spending etc, I would be interested to see just how, exactly, that would manifest itself.

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #141 on: June 02, 2019, 19:43:54 »
Those laws are easy to circumvent. ...it's not like they'd be handing money to any party. .....but the Courageous Coalition of Canadians in support of........
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #142 on: June 02, 2019, 19:53:50 »
Given our election finance laws with strict limits on donations, spending etc, I would be interested to see just how, exactly, that would manifest itself.

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By registering as Third Party Advertisers who can spend up to $211,200 dollars each. The terms and conditions can be found on the Elections Canada website here:

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The trick is setting up multiple fronts-end eligible Third Parties that can conduct campaigns in targeted areas.

Think of the types of campaigns that nursing and teacher unions run that while not directly supporting a party are designed to undercut leading candidates of parties that do not support their interest.

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #143 on: June 02, 2019, 19:57:26 »
By registering as Third Party Advertisers who can spend up to $211,200 dollars each. The terms and conditions can be found on the Elections Canada website here:

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&document=info&dir=thi&lang=e

The trick is setting up multiple fronts-end eligible Third Parties that can conduct campaigns in targeted areas.

Think of the types of campaigns that nursing and teacher unions run that while not directly supporting a party are designed to undercut leading candidates of parties that do not support their interest.

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does that not expire once the writ is dropped?
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #144 on: June 02, 2019, 20:24:53 »
does that not expire once the writ is dropped?
Doesn't look like it according to the info-page ...
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #145 on: June 02, 2019, 20:36:41 »
does that not expire once the writ is dropped?

No. The provision is specifically for the election campaign and the limits are set for a 37 day campaign and were set for the 2017-2018 period (I don't have the CPI adjusted figures for 2019). If a campaign is longer than 37 days the limit goes up by 1/37th for each additional day.

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #146 on: June 02, 2019, 20:39:18 »
That was one of the crimes that SNC Lavelin committed if memory serves.  They got caught but that won't prevent others from finding novel ways to finance their preferences, such as rubber chicken dinners BBQs etc.

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #147 on: June 02, 2019, 20:43:39 »
By registering as Third Party Advertisers who can spend up to $211,200 dollars each. The terms and conditions can be found on the Elections Canada website here:

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&document=info&dir=thi&lang=e

The trick is setting up multiple fronts-end eligible Third Parties that can conduct campaigns in targeted areas.

Think of the types of campaigns that nursing and teacher unions run that while not directly supporting a party are designed to undercut leading candidates of parties that do not support their interest.

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Not sure that is right.  I think the limit applies to the party in tootal (211K), not third party....
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #148 on: June 02, 2019, 20:46:19 »
But you don't have to 'support ' a party in your advertising.... support certain issues that a party just happens to support.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #149 on: June 02, 2019, 20:48:18 »
"We're not saying who to vote for but we suggest you just vote for pro-life candidates. "

What?  Us??  Supporting a party?  Noooooooo. ....
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