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Isn’t this what BLM/Antifa has been doing nationally for the last 3 months?



Former counterterrorism chief: Trump defeat may prompt right-wing terror attacks

Sean D. Naylor •National Security Correspondent
August 18, 2020, 3:09 PM GMT-4•10 mins read
https://news.yahoo.com/former-counterterror-chief-trump-defeat-may-prompt-rightwing-terror-attacks-190913288.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

The former head of the National Counterterrorism Center said he would not be surprised if right-wing domestic terrorist groups stage attacks in the United States around this November’s presidential election.

“It certainly wouldn’t surprise me, particularly if the administration loses,” said Russ Travers, who was the center’s acting director when he was fired by President Trump’s hand-picked acting director of national intelligence.

Trump, who is behind in all national polls, has repeatedly claimed that the expected widespread use of mail-in ballots during a national pandemic will lead to “massive fraud and abuse” and an election result that is “rigged” against him. “The political rhetoric is such that you could very easily see some backlash” from white supremacist or other right-wing terror groups, Travers said.

Travers is not alone in his assessment. An Aug. 17 Department of Homeland Security analysis also warns of possible election-related attacks. “We assess ideologically-motivated violent extremists and other violent actors could quickly mobilize to threaten or engage in violence against election or campaign-related targets in response to perceived partisan and policy-based grievances,” says the document, which was obtained by Yahoo News.

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Isn’t this what BLM/Antifa has been doing nationally for the last 3 months?

More at link

Yes, there is "more at link",

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Despite Trump’s declared intent to designate the left-wing activist movement known as antifa as a domestic terror organization, the threat from right-wing groups dwarfs that of their left-wing counterparts in the United States, according to Travers.


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Yes, there is "more at link",

Sorry about that mariomike

I don't know how to insert a link into a word such as link.

Usually I write "more at link above".
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Sorry about that mariomike

I don't know how to insert a link into a word such as link.

Usually I write "more at link above".

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Yes, there is "more at link",
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Despite Trump’s declared intent to designate the left-wing activist movement known as antifa as a domestic terror organization, the threat from right-wing groups dwarfs that of their left-wing counterparts in the United States, according to Travers.

I need my eyes checked. I did not see that quote about RW terror earlier.

I thought your comment was about not inserting the uurl thing into a word. ;)
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1. Insert the hyperlink tool (url][/url] - (note that I've replaced the square bracket at the beginning of the tool by a round bracket throughout so that the example will display it the way it should be typed rather that how will display)

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The 5,000 or so remaining KKK members meeting in their mom's basement are flattered to know they are so threatening.

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The 5,000 or so remaining KKK members meeting in their mom's basement are flattered to know they are so threatening.

Are you forgetting the circumstances in which our erstwhile combat engineer from Manitoba got picked up?

There’s a significant and in some instances dangerous undercurrent of violent radicalism in the fringes of politics on both sides of the border. It’s not a partisan statement to acknowledge the reality of this increasing threat. US police and intelligence services sure as hell know it’s there.
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The 5,000 or so remaining KKK members meeting in their mom's basement are flattered to know they are so threatening.

The FBI thinks differently:

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The FBI has elevated its assessment of the threat posed by racially-motivated violent extremists in the U.S. to a "national threat priority" for fiscal year 2020, FBI director Christopher Wray said Wednesday. He said the FBI is placing the risk of violence from such groups "on the same footing" as threats posed to the country by foreign terrorist organizations such as ISIS and its sympathizers.


"Not only is the terror threat diverse — it's unrelenting," Wray said at an oversight hearing before the House Judiciary Committee.

Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a "huge chunk" of the FBI's domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are "fueled by some type of white supremacy," he said. ...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racially-motivated-violent-extremism-isis-national-threat-priority-fbi-director-christopher-wray/

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There are also all the various militias and survivalists; there are a lot of heavily armed anti-government groups with a variety of weird beliefs. The Oathkeepers come to mind, and they have grown to over 30000 members in under ten years; there are a lot of various nutjobs running along the lines of 2nd amendment defenders.

Not all of them are necessarily white supremacists, but there is a spectrum of heavily armed and organized groups in the far-right side of the US political aisle. Plus all the lone wolf attacks; a lot of the mass shooters have been radicalized by far right philosophies.

Basically there are is a whole lot of crazies with a whole lot of guns, and even if there is a surge of left wing radicals, the right wing nuts have had a least a century of a headstart, and have been murdering a lot of people for a long time. When they deliberately join the police and other security/defence forces it's not actually a conspiracy theory to think that they continue to fly under the radar because they have people on the inside.

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And what happens if Trump wins? The Left (Antifa and their ilk) go ballistic and destroy more cities with riots and beat many more innocent people.

Its the extreme left that is far more dangerous and very few politicians have the balls to confront them.
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Its the extreme left that is far more dangerous

Do you have a source for that?

From the Original Post:

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Despite Trump’s declared intent to designate the left-wing activist movement known as antifa as a domestic terror organization, the threat from right-wing groups dwarfs that of their left-wing counterparts in the United States, according to Travers.

See also Reply #8 in this thread,

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The FBI thinks differently:

The FBI has elevated its assessment of the threat posed by racially-motivated violent extremists in the U.S. to a "national threat priority" for fiscal year 2020, FBI director Christopher Wray said Wednesday. He said the FBI is placing the risk of violence from such groups "on the same footing" as threats posed to the country by foreign terrorist organizations such as ISIS and its sympathizers.


"Not only is the terror threat diverse — it's unrelenting," Wray said at an oversight hearing before the House Judiciary Committee.

Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a "huge chunk" of the FBI's domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are "fueled by some type of white supremacy," he said. ...



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It is the extreme left that is far more dangerous and very few politicians have the balls to confront them.

Depends on whose facts you believe. 

Crazies like that, rigt or left are all dangerous.  It seems US law enforcement has analysed it enough to determine that the far right is more dangerous but that does not fit Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson or Donald Trump's narrative so it can be hard to accept for some who are more worried about the extreme radical left.

I hope and expect that law enforcement is tracking and dealing with both as best they can. 
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And what happens if Trump wins?

Special Counsel Mueller said a sitting president can't be indicted.

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Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III Makes Statement on Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election
https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/special-counsel-robert-s-mueller-iii-makes-statement-investigation-russian-interference

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Wednesday, May 29, 2019

The Special Counsel’s Office is part of the Department of Justice and, by regulation, it was bound by that Department policy.  Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.

So, that won't change.

Also, as a sitting president, he will retain his pardoning power.

Perhaps even pardon himself?
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Hello guys, I wasn't in peak shape when I joined. I wasn't in bad shape, but I know I could've done much better. My cardio wasn't the issue, it was overall strength. I passed my FORCE, but I absolutely needed to be stronger in all areas. I don't believe I would've sustained injury (at least not to the same degree) during training had I obtained a higher level of strength prior. (And of course, there are those who have been in excellent shape who managed to get hurt. It happens.) But those who aren't able to complete the FORCE upon entry shouldn't be at BMQ. It's not fair to staff, to other recruits, or ultimately, to themselves. And if one is in better physical shape, then they're more equipped to handle the psychological toll of training also. Again though, it's a conundrum in this day and age, because I don't feel it's necessary (or feasible) for every single recruit to be expected to respond to identical methods of training given that their roll within CAF isn't even comparable in some instances.   

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"Canadians among most active in online right-wing extremism"

Well, that is an eye-opener.

I read the CBC article and I find it hard to believe that the "incel" movement/subculture is right wing. Seems to me these guys don't know how to get a hooker for their loneliness. Maybe I'm wrong but incel shouldn't be classed as RW.
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Anything can be classed as Right Wing, Fascist, White Supremacist if certain people or groups find it useful to do so.

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Probably because of its anti-women, anti feminist agenda, incel groups are classified as such.  They also overlap a lot with white supremecy groups, especially online groups which seems to be where a lot of this festers.

This seems to be a relatively new phenomenon so how it is classed may shift.

I see this more as a mental thing more than anything else as opposed to extreme radical political ideology. 

They may be more susceptible or attracted to one ideology over another though.
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There are still a few groups of people whom it is permissible to revile if they are unable to function at expected social levels for reasons that are part of their wiring - incels, pedophiles, and survivalists, for example.  They had the misfortune not to be born with some socially harmful quirk, such as susceptibility to drug addiction, that has become tolerable or even generates sympathy and assistance.  I suppose eventually we'll get to the point where all the problems and difficulties people are born with are no longer their "fault", but we are not yet at that destination.  So marginalization will continue, and the marginalized will react.

I expect more "right-wing" extremism as a matter of course, if "right-wing" is synonymous with a tilt towards individualism.  Outcasts aren't part of the in-group or collective.
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I expect more "right-wing" extremism as a matter of course, if "right-wing" is synonymous with a tilt towards individualism.  Outcasts aren't part of the in-group or collective.

The concept of the right winger being the robust individualist standing up for his rights against an oppressive regime is a myth that right wingers tell each other to make themselves feel good about themselves.

There are just as many "individualists" amongst the Antifa rabble that you so detest.

What that "individualism" in fact is is an element of the "me" generation that bridges all sides of society. People who feel that society's laws or mores do not apply to them when it's inconvenient to them. They pick out those aspects of the social fabric that they want and they rail out against those that they don't like. They act out on whatever issues drive them at the moment and have little regard for the rights of others.

We're not talking about the mass of the population that lives peacefully in the centre but who lean left or right on various issues. We're not talking about the Marlboro man who just wants to live peacefully by himself in his cabin in the woods in upstate Idaho here. We're talking about a group of outsiders with radical beliefs for whom violence is an accepted or acceptable way of expressing themselves. They exist on both fringes although, for the time being, the larger number exist on the extreme right (at least based on the statistics coming out of virtually every police force in the western world)

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Apparently the Rangers are the new training grounds for far-right organizers according to experts.


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More loosely knit than regular forces and even some long-standing reserve formations, the Rangers are seen by experts as a new place for far-right organizers who want their members to get survival and weapons training. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rideau-hall-attack-ranger-1.5694022
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Apparently the Rangers are the new training grounds for far-right organizers according to experts.

 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rideau-hall-attack-ranger-1.5694022

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I remember when motorcycle "enthusiasts" wanted military members. (Some) MPs were suspicious of military members who owned hogs or hung around civilian hog owners.
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The concept of the right winger being the robust individualist standing up for his rights against an oppressive regime is a myth that right wingers tell each other to make themselves feel good about themselves.

There are just as many "individualists" amongst the Antifa rabble that you so detest.

What that "individualism" in fact is is an element of the "me" generation that bridges all sides of society. People who feel that society's laws or mores do not apply to them when it's inconvenient to them. They pick out those aspects of the social fabric that they want and they rail out against those that they don't like. They act out on whatever issues drive them at the moment and have little regard for the rights of others.

We're not talking about the mass of the population that lives peacefully in the centre but who lean left or right on various issues. We're not talking about the Marlboro man who just wants to live peacefully by himself in his cabin in the woods in upstate Idaho here. We're talking about a group of outsiders with radical beliefs for whom violence is an accepted or acceptable way of expressing themselves. They exist on both fringes although, for the time being, the larger number exist on the extreme right (at least based on the statistics coming out of virtually every police force in the western world)

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My territory was Northern BC and the Yukon, the individualistic persons were abundant up there and generally wanted to left alone. As I represented the Feds, they were none to pleased to see me, but generally with respectful conversation, I could get my message across and help them map out a solution that required minimal further interactions with the likes of me. Sometimes we could even have a cup of coffee as well. If you come in those places with a burr up your arse with how important you or your work is and try to show your authority over them, it's not going to end well. Not everyone is going to respond to the nice approach, but it's a good place to start.

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>The concept of the right winger being the robust individualist standing up for his rights against an oppressive regime is a myth that right wingers tell each other to make themselves feel good about themselves.

That's not what I meant.  The media default for initial speculation regarding violence by apparent lone wolves or fringe groups is "right-wing extremist", until social media posts or other evidence surfaces which demonstrates progressive leanings if not outright political affiliations and endorsements.  The political left tries to exclude such people by assertion/definition: racists can't be leftists, misogynists can't be leftists, etc.  There are only two wings, so those people must be right-wing.
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Actually there are two wings one that supports Trump and the other are composed of Never Trumpers/Rhinos.

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Actually there are two wings one that supports Trump and the other are composed of Never Trumpers/Rhinos.

Hold on - so in your view, if you don't support the current President and are a member of the Republican Party (or support the GOP) then you're a RINO? 

It's possible to support the views of the party (GOP, Dems, whatever) but not the leader of said party. 
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Hold on - so in your view, if you don't support the current President and are a member of the Republican Party (or support the GOP) then you're a RINO? 

It's possible to support the views of the party (GOP, Dems, whatever) but not the leader figurehead of said party.

FTFY

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American politics has become just like Canadian politics where one now has to blindly follow the leader, no matter how toxic the leader is.
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There was a certain person in The RCR in the 80s that I had a passing acquaintance with who made no secret of the fact he was hooked up and could make bad things happen to people he took a dislike to. Ended up zooming up the ranks pretty quickly, strangely enough.

I'm quite sure you're thinking of a close associate of my section commander.  He was a MWO before his career came to a halt?
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I'm quite sure you're thinking of a close associate of my section commander.  He was a MWO before his career came to a halt?

If it came to a halt rather abruptly, then most likely yes. First name rhymes with Sled.
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This will certainly reinforce certain thoughts on right wing terrorism in the US.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/us/kenosha-wisconsin-wednesday-shooting/index.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jacob-blake-kenosha-wisconsin-protest-shooting-militia

A video I saw showed at least two people shot, one dead, while trying to jump on/take the gun from a male with a rifle on the ground. That said, I don’t know what happened prior to that. It could be the shooter was defending himself against assault; it could be people were trying to stop/arrest someone who had already used force unlawfully. Either way, his photo is out everywhere, so his life is pretty screwed regardless of the legality or illegality of the shooting.
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Vigilantism isn't terrorism.
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Vigilantism isn't terrorism.

Doesn’t matter.  The militia group is what they are focusing on.  The media is already going route. Right wing militia groups taking matters into their own hands. 

I’m not disagreeing with you but it was just a matter of time before someone got shot at these protest. 
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It matters because there will be more vigilantism if authorities continue to decline to exercise the powers that were delegated to them.  And it won't do to try and push it off as "terrorism".  To describe people defending themselves or their homes or their businesses (their "property") - righteously or mistakenly - as terrorists is to incite them (and others) to vote for the politicians who stand against the disorder.  How badly do people want to unseat Trump?  Badly enough to swallow some of their self-indulgent satisfaction at watching the ongoing temper tantrum?  Badly enough to take the media to task if the media start playing word games in order to try and score political points?

Vigilantism must, like any problem, be correctly identified to be fixed.  And the fix for vigilantism is government-imposed order.
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Regarding same- a 17 year old male has been arrested and charged with first degree intentional homicide. Not sure how many counts of same. Once we get a sense of which specific shooting(s) he’s charged with, that will be indicative.
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I understood that he was part of a group that was guarding property and one person he shot was holding a gun, another may have been using a skateboard as a weapon. As video of the incident is collected, it may be difficult to prosecute for murder and likely his lawyer will claim self-defense.

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It matters because there will be more vigilantism if authorities continue to decline to exercise the powers that were delegated to them.  And it won't do to try and push it off as "terrorism".  To describe people defending themselves or their homes or their businesses (their "property") - righteously or mistakenly - as terrorists is to incite them (and others) to vote for the politicians who stand against the disorder.  How badly do people want to unseat Trump?  Badly enough to swallow some of their self-indulgent satisfaction at watching the ongoing temper tantrum?  Badly enough to take the media to task if the media start playing word games in order to try and score political points?

Vigilantism must, like any problem, be correctly identified to be fixed.  And the fix for vigilantism is government-imposed order.

All good points.  Interesting that it seems that he cane to protect “his” property and business from out of state .  He came from Illinois. 

Wisconsin is an open carry state.  What powers to the authorities have to stop this sort of vigilantism? People are free to walk around with guns and stand at public places like gas stations and such.  So how does one stop that when the laws allow it.
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Do you have a source for that?

I don't think there are official sources willing to admit or consider the left as dangerous, despite the evidence we can see with our own eyes by following what's going on in current events.

For political reasons, I suspect, law enforcement does not consider the rioting and looting going on in many large U.S. cities to be a problem.

Yet they do media releases warning us about the "far right terror". If the far right is so dangerous, how come the U.S. didn't have the sorts of civil unrest it's experiencing now when Obama was elected or during his two terms? I recall dire warning of white supremacist violence if Obama won a second term. He did, nothing happened. Also, the white supremacists small numbers and pathetic stupidity at Charlottesville is evidence to me that these guys couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag and the threat is overblown.

Similarly, if Biden wins I bet nothing happens. Whereas if Trump wins I think we haven't seen anything yet.

The problem is that all of this stuff has become so politicized it is hobbling law enforcement. They're not allowed to acknowledge any threat from the left because that will be decried as racist or crazy conspiracy theorism.

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More and more people are seeing it that way.

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All good points.  Interesting that it seems that he cane to protect “his” property and business from out of state .  He came from Illinois. 

Wisconsin is an open carry state.  What powers to the authorities have to stop this sort of vigilantism? People are free to walk around with guns and stand at public places like gas stations and such.  So how does one stop that when the laws allow it.

If authorities CEASE "to decline to exercise the powers that were delegated to them" the vigilantism will disappear.

Authorities don't need to arrest the vigilantes and they probably can't stop them all. But if they start enforcing the law again and restore peoples' trust that in the authorities and belief that law and order has been restored, you won't see people walking around with ARs just like you didn't see them doing that before the rioting and looting started with (near) impunity.

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For an informed opinion,

From the Original Post,

Former counterterrorism chief: Trump defeat may prompt right-wing terror attacks

Sean D. Naylor •National Security Correspondent
August 18, 2020, 3:09 PM GMT-4•10 mins read
https://news.yahoo.com/former-counterterror-chief-trump-defeat-may-prompt-rightwing-terror-attacks-190913288.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

The former head of the National Counterterrorism Center said he would not be surprised if right-wing domestic terrorist groups stage attacks in the United States around this November’s presidential election.

“It certainly wouldn’t surprise me, particularly if the administration loses,” said Russ Travers, who was the center’s acting director when he was fired by President Trump’s hand-picked acting director of national intelligence.

Trump, who is behind in all national polls, has repeatedly claimed that the expected widespread use of mail-in ballots during a national pandemic will lead to “massive fraud and abuse” and an election result that is “rigged” against him. “The political rhetoric is such that you could very easily see some backlash” from white supremacist or other right-wing terror groups, Travers said.

Travers is not alone in his assessment. An Aug. 17 Department of Homeland Security analysis also warns of possible election-related attacks. “We assess ideologically-motivated violent extremists and other violent actors could quickly mobilize to threaten or engage in violence against election or campaign-related targets in response to perceived partisan and policy-based grievances,” says the document, which was obtained by Yahoo News.

Despite Trump’s declared intent to designate the left-wing activist movement known as antifa as a domestic terror organization, the threat from right-wing groups dwarfs that of their left-wing counterparts in the United States, according to Travers.

More at link

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I must be a real simple idiot.

For months I have seen the radical left beat people, burn cars, riot in the streets, attempt to take over part of a city (with multiple shootings involved), loot, severely injure and even kill people (including black people, way to stand up for them), burn down buildings, the list goes on and on.

The alleged far right? not much news I see, really pales in comparison to the other side.

Is this hidden far right threat just like that allegation of the kid with a red MAGA hat accused of racism towards natives (who CNN has now had top pay up and made him filthy rich for false accusations) or similar to our hijab cutting incident?

I am not saying their are not racist or white supremacist movements in the USA or even here, but from what I see on the news (all sources) the antifa/radical left is way more prevalent. IMO, antifa is the modern brown shirt movement.
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... Is this hidden far right threat just like that allegation of the kid with a red MAGA hat accused of racism towards natives (who CNN has now had top pay up and made him filthy rich for false accusations) or similar to our hijab cutting incident? ...
You're right about how prevalent left-wing protest & vandalism is -- and to those who say "it's only a few who are idiots breaking s**t and being violent", well, as someone smarter than me said, you accept the standard you walk by -- but that doesn't mean the right-wing dial setting is zero. 

How many Antifa can you spot in these pictures of masked, armed protesters very directly pressuring legislators politically via threat of violence?

Sources of photos here, here & here.

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How many Antifa can you spot in these pictures of masked, armed protesters very directly pressuring legislators politically via threat of violence?


Thats easy. None because the windows aren't smashed and nothing is on fire  ;D
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I'd argue none of those protestors pictured are using the threat of violence on legislators. A Democrat could walk up to them without fear for their life and have even a heated debate. The same could not be said for the Antifa swarming senators as they left the RNC.

There is a distinct difference between being armed and brandishing that firearm to intimidate people to force political change.

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Thats easy. None because the windows aren't smashed and nothing is on fire  ;D
Touché  :rofl:

I'd argue none of those protestors pictured are using the threat of violence on legislators. A Democrat could walk up to them without fear for their life and have even a heated debate. The same could not be said for the Antifa swarming senators as they left the RNC.
Good point - agreed (caveated:  probably with most).

There is a distinct difference between being armed and brandishing that firearm to intimidate people to force political change.
Well, one may not have to "brandish" weapons to try to force political change - it may be different points on the spectrum between "brandishing" and "carrying openly* in a place where one does government business", but some would see it on the same spectrum of trying to push political change.

* - Admittedly legally at the time.
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