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Clearance diver
« on: August 28, 2007, 17:50:55 »
I've kinda always had my heart set on being a Clearance Diver.  I have miniscule experience in underwater EOD through a civy company and after checking out the trades on the CF site, I quickly realised there isn't a clearance diver...or any advertised diver jobs.  I'm guessing its not a direct entry trade?  Any recommendations on how I can persue this?  Also is it a very competative trade (what are my chances of getting in?)?

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2007, 18:01:13 »
The trade is open only to occupational transfers   I.E. people already in the CF and those people must be qualified either Ships diver, port inspection diver or combat diver in order to apply.

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2007, 18:09:26 »
OK.  So basically, once i get on a boat I have to take Ships Diver as my secondary trade?  Then from there you apply.  What about combat diver, how do you get qualified for that? Is that a kind of "sub-catagory" of ships diver? 

Secondly, so if clearance diver is what i really really want it doesn't really matter what trade I innitially take because Clearance diver is a trade of its own?

Sorry guys, I really hate being ignorant, but I really have no clue where to start. haha bear with me.

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2007, 18:18:26 »
  What about combat diver, how do you get qualified for that? Is that a kind of "sub-catagory" of ships diver? 

To be a combat diver you have to join the CF as a combat engineer and then be selected for the combat diver course. It doesnt happen to everyone and its not easy.

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Secondly, so if clearance diver is what i really really want it doesn't really matter what trade I innitially take because Clearance diver is a trade of its own?

Yes it does matter.  You have to be in a trade that allows you to take the ships team diver course.  Joining as an AVN tech or a LCIS wont get you there.

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but I really have no clue where to start. haha bear with me.

Well start by joining the Navy and then spend some time there until you meet the time and rank requirements and have been qualified ships team diver. Then when you meet the pre requisits, you can apply for CD and see if they take you.

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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2007, 18:30:26 »
Thanks CDN Aviator, thats exactly what I was looking for! 

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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2007, 11:42:56 »
  Hey Rockstar....my buddy is a clearance diver here in Halifax...if you have any questions, I can try to get some answers if you like.
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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 18:52:21 »
To get to clearance diver, you have first off to get in the Navy in any trade.  Once in, you have to get qualified as a ship's diver and once that's done you may apply to become a clearance diver.  To become a clearance diver, there is a two-weeks prelim selection "camp" where they weed out people that are either not physically or mentally capable to handle the job.  If you make it thru the two-week preliminary selection camp, than you're in and if my memory serves me write, you are looking at something like 8-10 months course, and now part of an elite group of people...

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2007, 19:09:18 »
To get to clearance diver, you have first off to get in the Navy in any trade. 

You can also come from the Army......Combat engineer trade and qualified combat diver

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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 21:19:20 »
The trade will soon be opened up for all element and all trades to join. This came from one of the PDU CD guys that I was working with during the summer.
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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2007, 02:10:01 »
In order to become a clearance diver, you have to first reach a certain level of qualification in your trade, be qualified as a ships diver or combat diver for reg force, port inspection diver for reserve, then you have to apply for an occupational transfer. If the OT is approved you get loaded on the prelim. You have to be physically fit and mentally strong in order to just make it through the prelim. On completion of the prelim, you might get selected to go on your clearance divers course, however just passing the prelim is no guarantee of being course loaded Both the prelim and the cd course are hard work and very long. Whatever trade you chose to go into, make sure you are at least a little bit interested in it before you sign on the dotted line. Just because you want to become a cd doesn't mean you will make it. If your gonna be stuck in a trade, you might as well at least like it a bit. Good luck whatever you decide, I hope you make it.
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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2008, 10:34:15 »
Just like to add another thing to this.  Simply put, you have to already be a military diver, SARTECHs qualify as well.  You have to be QL5 to OT, this is standard for ANY OT.

You also have to pass the dive express test, which is almost the same as EXEMPT.  Ask your local PSP staff for the exact standard as it is different for every age group and sex.

The rest is as FEET stated.  The prelim is pure **** for 2 weeks.  Watch Truth, Duty, Valor for an idea. 

If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.  I have worked at both FDUs as a PID and a number of my friends went CD.

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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2008, 00:53:44 »
It's more to do with Ship's Divers, but watch for a new episode on the Discovery Chanel this fall.

They just wrapped shooting a couple of weeks ago on the west coast and will be putting out an episode on the Ships Team Diver course. 

This is an old threat, but if a person wasn't already in, wouldn't it be quicker (kind of a backdoor) to join a reserve unit as a PID, then do the prelim?  I would think that would be quicker than doing a reg QL3, waiting for your 5's (being a diver for the one year of course), etc...  Just a thought in case anyone who is not in the CF is looking at a full-time diving job with us. 

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2008, 01:49:22 »
This is an old threat, but if a person wasn't already in, wouldn't it be quicker (kind of a backdoor) to join a reserve unit as a PID, then do the prelim?  I would think that would be quicker than doing a reg QL3, waiting for your 5's (being a diver for the one year of course), etc...  Just a thought in case anyone who is not in the CF is looking at a full-time diving job with us. 

It depends on the reserve division and the recruiting people in question.  Up until now, the naval reserve was not accepting any direct entry as a diver; you had to accept something else (bosn, meso, navcom, nciop, cook etc...) first, get qualified, then remuster.  Some people say that this hasn't changed, some say that they are now accepting direct entry divers.  However, getting your 5's in the reserves can be faster than reg force, and after that, a few request (and get) a ships team diver course.  This can happen if no trade course is upcomming, there is empty space on the diver course, etc...  Doesn't happen often, but I've met a few people who were not PID trades, had their dive course, then remustered once allowed do so. If you really, really want to go clearance diver, then reserves could still be faster, but it really depends.

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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2008, 11:47:23 »
It depends on the reserve division and the recruiting people in question.  Up until now, the naval reserve was not accepting any direct entry as a diver; you had to accept something else (bosn, meso, navcom, nciop, cook etc...) first, get qualified, then remuster.  Some people say that this hasn't changed, some say that they are now accepting direct entry divers.  However, getting your 5's in the reserves can be faster than reg force, and after that, a few request (and get) a ships team diver course.  This can happen if no trade course is upcomming, there is empty space on the diver course, etc...  Doesn't happen often, but I've met a few people who were not PID trades, had their dive course, then remustered once allowed do so. If you really, really want to go clearance diver, then reserves could still be faster, but it really depends.

It fluctuates.  I joined as a direct entry PID and shortly after that they stopped doing it again.  The problem with going the reserve route is that you still need 4yrs reg force service (or equivalent) and be QL5 qualified (that would be QL2 for PIDs as our QLs are a little bit different).  4yrs equivalent service would most likely take you about significantly longer in the reserves, especially if you are only doing Class A time.

As for doing the STD course while being another trade in the Res, it is a matter of being in the right place at the right time.  I know when I was involved in training at FDU(A) a lot of courses were cancelled due to lack of pers, or the boats would send over pers at the last min (ie: day of the course).

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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2008, 21:27:40 »
It fluctuates.  I joined as a direct entry PID and shortly after that they stopped doing it again.  The problem with going the reserve route is that you still need 4yrs reg force service (or equivalent) and be QL5 qualified (that would be QL2 for PIDs as our QLs are a little bit different).  4yrs equivalent service would most likely take you about significantly longer in the reserves, especially if you are only doing Class A time.

As for doing the STD course while being another trade in the Res, it is a matter of being in the right place at the right time.  I know when I was involved in training at FDU(A) a lot of courses were cancelled due to lack of pers, or the boats would send over pers at the last min (ie: day of the course).

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I agree, strictly Class A would take a while.  However, for someone who was extremely committed to getting the remuster as soon as possible, if he went perma-shading for most of those 4 years, he could get it done pretty quick, as full time sailing would finish any OJPRs he had for his courses.  I'd guestimate that within 3-4 years of full time, he/she could finish their QL2/OJPR and their STD course, which is pretty fast.

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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2008, 21:28:36 »
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2009, 22:55:58 »
I know that there is advanced training to be the ship's diver if you enlist as a BOS'N. But I doubt all they do is dive so make sure you like the trade.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2009, 20:01:31 »
If you want to go through reserves first port inspection diver is now a direct entry trade and it will get you the STD and deep dive course. Also you can get experience working with the CD's before going REG force.

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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2009, 22:36:31 »
I know that there is advanced training to be the ship's diver if you enlist as a BOS'N. But I doubt all they do is dive so make sure you like the trade.

If you saw that in the recruiting literature, it's probably one of several courses that a person might be able to take in the Bosn trade, rather than something all Bosns take.

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2009, 15:14:11 »
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If you saw that in the recruiting literature, it's probably one of several courses that a person might be able to take in the Bosn trade, rather than something all Bosns take.
thats why I said advanced training not in their training.
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 10:26:20 »
While some info posted here is true, some isn't. You do not have to join the Navy to become a CD. You do not have to be in the Navy to get onto a Ship's Team Diver's course.  Does it help? Yes. On my STD course there were 4 "out of Navy" candidates, how did they get there, they simply requested the course.  I know CD's who were given places on a prelim as Commercial Divers and even one from the combat arms who didn't hold a caba certificate. Talking to a truly INFORMED recruiter may give you more insight on how to become a CD without going through several years of wasting yours and that trades time.

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 18:37:12 »
While some info posted here is true, some isn't. You do not have to join the Navy to become a CD. You do not have to be in the Navy to get onto a Ship's Team Diver's course.  Does it help? Yes. On my STD course there were 4 "out of Navy" candidates, how did they get there, they simply requested the course.  I know CD's who were given places on a prelim as Commercial Divers and even one from the combat arms who didn't hold a caba certificate. Talking to a truly INFORMED recruiter may give you more insight on how to become a CD without going through several years of wasting yours and that trades time.

Well..not exactly all candidates that have attempted the CD PRELIM are qualified and in-date CF divers.  You are right that they do not have to be in the Navy, but they have to a qualified CF Diver - either a STD, Cbt Diver, SAR Tech, PID or JTF2 Diver.  The Clearance Diver Trade is not recruiting off the street. 

The Commercial Divers that have done the PRELIM were also qualified Reserve Navy PID's (Port Inspection Divers), and the the Cbt Arms pers you mentioned must have had a CF Diving qual and in date, in order to be allowed on the PRELIM. 

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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2009, 09:49:28 »
Noted, and thanks.

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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2009, 01:52:50 »
Hello everyone.

First, cdiver is for commercial diver and not clearance diver but, maybe we can change that in the near future. So with my experience and qualification as a comm diver and scuba instructor including rebreathers and tech dive would it make it easier for me to get a shot for clearance diver?

What if I start as a PID? I have been told by a friend who is PID, the navy need divers.

I did contact a recruiter to become a PID but since the high season for inland commercial diver start in June till December, I kind of like to be available for the season which make it hard to do the BRT.

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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2009, 14:41:23 »
Although you current experience may make them easier, you still have to complete the Prelim and the trade course before you become a clearance diver. In order to become a clearance diver you must first be a member of another trade, it is not a direct entry trade, but is what is referred to as a continuing occupatinal transfer. You can qualify thru the reg or res force, but you must hold a valid diving qualification thru the military before you can apply for a remuster. If you have any other questions you can pm me, I will help as much as I can.
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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2009, 18:05:11 »
Thank you Feet. I might join in for PID trade. It's a good start.

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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2009, 16:04:39 »
Hey all,

    Just wondering if someone can give me an idea of what exactly this 2 week prelim consists of. I would imagine it is similar to selection and would involve a lot of PT, but what else? As far as running and swimming, I am quite fit and have no problem scoring high on the coopers test. What sort of mental aspect is there to the job? Ive heard that immersion in cold water and long periods of little sleep are to be expected... what else? How often are the selection periods?

As for naval trades, as an infanteer since the late 90's, a lot of the navy trades look pretty much the same to me. Either sitting in front of a computer type thing, or working on fixing stuff. What sort of trade would heighten an individuals opportunity to gain entry into a ships diver position? I understand that motivation and route of appoach are vital, but from what I have heard, some trades are more responsive to those wishing to apply for certain jobs.
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2009, 16:08:30 »
Any trade onboard ship is open to be a ship's diver. it depends on if your department wants to let you go to be one or to take the training is the big factor.
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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2009, 16:13:38 »
Any trade onboard ship is open to be a ship's diver. it depends on if your department wants to let you go to be one or to take the training is the big factor.

That much I knew. I was asking which departments are more likely to allow pers to apply.
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« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2009, 16:25:19 »
Depends on your ship and depends on the department, there is no set rule.
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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2009, 03:23:10 »
Lest we forget the dreaded officer route? It is perhaps the fastest way of becoming one of the Clearance Diver Fold. I joined the mob in 87 as a MARS officer. Did the Ships Team Diver Course in 89 and before I needed my first requal course as Dive O on HMCS Annapolis, I was loaded on the CLDO course in 92 after having done the prelim in 91. From there on I served as a CLDO (Clearance Diving Officer) until I retired in Sep 08. Either way you do it, there is a lot of luck and timing issues to contend with. As the senior policy guy in CMS staff for Directorate of Maritime Poloicy and operational Readiness (DMPOR) from 2002 to 2005, I was in on many of the issues discussed above. Equally so when I was the MARPACHQ senior diver from 2005 until I retired. One of the things we were discussing was a direct entry route off the street. Still a pipe dream I believe but may happen yet. The preference was always OT from hard sea trades since navy diving is technically a hard sea trade itself. Because CD is a robber trade, it was always our strength that we had a wide variety of sea going occupations feeding the trade making for a very diverse and capable bunch of specialists. Early on it was harder to bring combat arms folks into the occupation since they aren't big ship savy - i.e line handling, navigation, terminology, watch and station bills, general seamanship etc. Have a read of the naval diving operational concept of operations that I wrote while on staff in CMS - it is the terms of reference document for all forms of naval diving (excludes combat diving). It was the basis of the occupational analysis that occurred at that time - without it, it never would have happened. It can be found on the library page of the Canadian Naval Divers Association web page at http://navydiver.ca
That documet tells you exactly what a CD does - needs an update soon but is still the most current one out there.
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2011, 15:34:50 »
Good day all, I am looking for information about clearance diver. I've been in the navy for 6 years now as an Marine Electrician QL5 (Etech). I am thinking about re-muster to clearance diver but I dont know alot about it. I should be going on my Ship diver course in September so i can get a first look at it from the inside. What I am looking for in here is feedback from actual clearance diver. I keep hearing good things about it but what are the bad things about it? How does a normal years look like? Operation, deployment or generally just training?

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Re: Clearance diver
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2011, 16:29:16 »

While I'm not a clearance diver, I'm the diving medicine PA that directly supports one of the FDU's.  Your QL5 course is roughly a year long, if you make it through the 10 day prelim.  The next year or so will be spent consolidating what you've learned, getting more advanced EOD courses, doing diving jobs to support current Fleet ops, could end up training Ship's Team Diver courses, etc.  They have been deploying abroad on multinational exercises and live deployments in support of land or maritime EOD and Fleet diving ops.  Once you're EOD trained, you'll eventually become involved in dealing with maritime and land EOD as a regional task wherever you're posted.  There are also exchange/secondment positions with the RN and RNZN.  You'll also be responsible to help operate the recompression chambers where you're posted, as well as inpsect and maintain diving equipment, both your own unit's and those of other Fleet assets.  You also can go on TD to the Experimental Dive Unit in Toronto to participate in diving research as a lab rat.  I suppose one of the worst comments I hear from folks here is that once they're done their 5's, they aren't diving as frequently as they'd like, which is something that's being very closely looked at.

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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2011, 07:05:37 »
Thanks for all the info guys, one last thing. i dont know if you guys know this. Are they looking for people these days? hows the manning look like?

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Re: Clearance diver
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2011, 14:23:39 »
They run a prelim usually twice a year for the one 5's course that starts in Sept.  The course starting in Sept is full, and they're screening guys off the last prelim for next year.  Having said that, they're usually always looking, as the average 5's course only graduates 8-12 students - this one graduating in a few weeks has only about 6 left.

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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2011, 19:57:07 »
The Trade start to be full, There is few flocks have complete there prelim few months ago and they are going on course in setember 2012. I have seen pepole doing two prelim because they did not score height enough on the first one.  Anyway they always looking for pepole.   I hope my English is not to bad.  And  medicineman give you a good description.
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Re: Clearance Diver?
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2017, 17:14:43 »
Our group just went through FDU(A) for a tour. Here's what the Clearance Divers in Halifax are up to:

http://www.happydiver.space/?p=310

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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2017, 17:16:45 »
I see the two threads were merged.

Everyone was impressed with the Unit and the tour. Other than SAR Techs, I would say Clearance Diver is quite the kick-a$$ trade.
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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2018, 13:49:08 »
Just about how dangerous is it? Difference between combat diver?

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Re: Navy clearance divers
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2018, 14:08:07 »
Difference between combat diver?

All Things Combat Diver (merged)
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=23226.0
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There are essentially four types of divers in the CF (not including the diving that SAR Techs do):

1) Ship's Diver - a specialty that anyone from any Regular or Reserve occupation can qualify in.  The reality though is that most Ship's Divers come from the Navy (both Reserve and Regular).  Even the support trade personnel who get the qualification get it while posted in Navy positions.  This is a secondary duty and even if you are on the Ship's Dive Team, your actual occupation takes primacy (e.g. cooks only dive when they're not cooking).  This is shallow-water diving (SCUBA), limited I believe to two atmospheres.

2) Combat Diver - a specialty qualification within the Engineers (army guys who build and blow up bridges as well as a lot of other cool destructive things).  To be honest, I know little else about these guys.  They wear a different badge than the Ship's Divers, but essentially take the same training at the Fleet Diving Units.

3) Clearance Diver - an actual full blown Regular Force occupation.  Clearance Divers dive for a living.  This is a "robber trade" in that Clearance Divers are drawn from the ranks of Ship's and Combat Divers.  When becoming a Clearance Diver, you actually remuster into the new occupation.  The Combat Divers actually change uniform from Army to Navy as well (Clearance Diver is strictly a Navy occupation).  In other words, traditionally, you have to join the CF as another occupation, qualify in it while also qualifying as a Ship's/Combat Diver and then change occupations later (if accepted into the program).  I don't know how they deal with people who are qualified as commercial divers first.  Clearance Divers are the Navy's "hard-hat" divers (deep water, decompression, mixed gas, etc).  The reason they're called "clearance divers" is because one of their tradtional main duties is the clearance of sea mines.  Clearance Divers are also the Navy's primary EOD/IEDD specialists.

4) Port Inspection Diver - full blown Naval Reserve occupation.  This is a step up from Ship's Diver, but not as extensive as Clearance Diver.
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Re: All Things Combat Diver (merged)
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2018, 00:05:45 »
Not sure if someone has posted this before (sorry in advance if they have) but it seems like becoming a clearance diver has become easier, application wise. It's a few months old but it was still posted in 2018.
https://ml-fd.caf-fac.ca/en/2018/02/10576
Any CAF member can now apply and you don't need any diving experience. Not sure if reservists can apply.

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Re: Clearance diver
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2018, 11:15:21 »
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