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Joining CSOR early
« on: March 26, 2008, 15:20:28 »
I have roughly 1 1/2 years in (10 months in Battalion). I have heard many stories about guys getting onto there SOBQ right out of battleschool. so I went ahead and applied but my CSM turned it down, I talked to the recruiter and he said he is sorting it out for me. I just want to know what are my chances of getting my application through and getting a course (without having anything to do with PT/phyc. test).
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2008, 15:31:02 »
In 1PPCLI we sent off about six guys from my company - all new privates and some with as few as 2 or 3 months in the bn.  They applied right after the CSOR info brief and were literally on course a few weeks later after completing the necessary testing in Edmonton. 
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2008, 15:39:59 »
You're SUPPOSED to have a minimum two years service in the CF.  BUT, last I heard anyways, when they were over at 1st battalion recruiting, they make exceptions for certain cases.  Examples were soldiers with certain qualifications, recce and para for example, and for combat vets.  Also, if you are slated to go overseas, and I assume you are as you are with the 3rd herd, any members slated for TFA cannot apply as per direction from the CLS. There's a CANFORGEN out there stating such.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2008, 23:42:51 »
Is it common these days for Ptes to get recce and para before the 2 year mark? I was under the impression those courses were not easy nor quick to get on.

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2008, 01:08:28 »
It's all in who you know ... get to the unit at the right time, do the right things, meet the right people and you can really go places.  I know young privates that were snipers in the sniper cell with less than a year in battalion.  It is feasible that a young go getter posted to the third could get his recce and para course before the 2 year mark, and these are precisely the kind of people CSOR wants to steal recruit from the line units.  Motivated, professional, disciplined soldiers.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2008, 02:01:18 »
In 1PPCLI we sent off about six guys from my company - all new privates and some with as few as 2 or 3 months in the bn.  They applied right after the CSOR info brief and were literally on course a few weeks later after completing the necessary testing in Edmonton. 

And the experiment did not work.  Most are on their way back
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2008, 02:20:47 »
I have roughly 1 1/2 years in (10 months in Battalion). I have heard many stories about guys getting onto there SOBQ right out of battleschool. so I went ahead and applied but my CSM turned it down, I talked to the recruiter and he said he is sorting it out for me. I just want to know what are my chances of getting my application through and getting a course (without having anything to do with PT/phyc. test).

You don't want to be the guy that tries and fails selection two or three times. Your CSM might be doing you a favour. Make sure you're super fit and have enough TI, self-confidence and experience to sail through selection and do well in the unit. Your reputation is sure to precede you. Two years TI is not a bad start, but three to five years (and possibly with some leadership/ sp wpns experience) sounds better IMHO.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2008, 08:26:48 »
You don't want to be the guy that tries and fails selection two or three times.

Why not? I know many guys who have failed cetain testing and went on to join certain organisations.
If he thinks he's fit enough go for it.

Good luck man.

Just look at it as an extra year to train buddy,I'm sure come next year if not already you will kick butt on the course.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2008, 09:11:23 »
As for the CSM turning you down. At the recruiting brief in pet the other day the recruiter mentioned that your unit has the final say if you can leave or not. Id work on getting your own CoC to support you first. (Going over their heads to the recruiter might not be the best approach). I was turned down from my CO for the skyhawks (even though I met all the pre-reqs) due to OP TEMPO. This happened to guys applying for CSOR as well. Seems like with all the tours going on no unit wants to let many people go.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2008, 19:44:18 »
But the big thing that making angry is that there are roughly 250 in rear party, plus I'm not on TFA or the 10% pool (don't know why I have already investigated that). I have never been someone to wait around for something, if I want something I go and get it, and the CSM is worried about 1 measly no hook private leaving the Bn
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2008, 19:47:04 »
But the big thing that making angry is that there are roughly 250 in rear party, plus I'm not on TFA or the 10% pool (don't know why I have already investigated that). I have never been someone to wait around for something, if I want something I go and get it, and the CSM is worried about 1 measly no hook private leaving the Bn

I wonder how hard they worked to get that no hook Private into the Bn to fill that position and be a Team Player.  The CSM may want to get rid of his 'deadwood' and 'social climbers' first.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2008, 19:50:02 »
you may be right but, rear party COY is a shyte show right now
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2008, 19:53:08 »
you may be right but, rear party COY is a shyte show right now

Rear Party, especially in winter, is always a shyte show, no matter what unit you're with. 

Remember, 10% list isn't too big, and then they will need guys from outside that 10% to fill slots on Tour, if shyte hits the rotary propellor thingy.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2008, 20:00:18 »
I just want to know what are my chances of getting my application through and getting a course (without having anything to do with PT/phyc. test).

I'm not sure what you are getting at here

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2008, 22:05:40 »
well I really hope your right Wallace, I hope I can get a tour before CSOR, but I ain't going to hold my breath for much longer
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2008, 22:34:12 »
I just want to know what are my chances of getting my application through and getting a course

Without your current CO's permission, absolutely none.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2008, 22:51:59 »
Hmm does that mean I have to wait for him to get from tour next march??? or is there another way around this????
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2008, 23:14:23 »
If the CO is away on tour he delegates certain authority to the OC Rear party.  In administrative matters such as this OC rear party can sign for the CO.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2008, 22:27:34 »
well that's perfect!!!! ;D this will give me time to train and I'm sure the OC wont have a problem with me going on the course after next. me not going on tour might turn out to be a good thing after all.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2008, 10:59:39 »
Are you aware that the course in May is only the ISAP?  (Individual Skill Assessment Phase)  The actual SOBQ will run in December, and there will be another ISAP in November.  They are only running one per year.  It makes more sense to attend the November selection; it gives you more time to train and will ensure you remain in the right frame of mind heading into the actual course. 

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2008, 15:39:12 »
oh OK I thought they were running 2 courses a year, thanks for the enlightenment. then that's what I will do then, but December damn that's going to be cold LOL. How long is ISAP, do you know?????
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2008, 15:43:18 »
Havn't heard too much on ISAP, and the recruiter in pet didnt mention how long it was.

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SUCCESSFUL CAT 1 APPLICANTS WILL BE REQUIRED TO ATTEND ONE OF TWO ISAP SERIALS BEING HELD IN MAY 08 OR NOV 08 (DATES TBC). PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING WILL OCCUR AT THE BEGINNING OF ISAP TO CONFIRM APPLICANTS CONT TO MEET THE FITNESS STANDARD. PERS WHO FAIL THE FITNESS TESTING MAY BE RETURNED TO THEIR HOME UNITS. FOL SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF ISAP, APPLICANTS WILL BE ATTACHED POSTED TO CSOR FOR THE DURATION OF THE SPEC OP BASIC QUAL (SOBQ) CRSE (DATES TBC)

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2008, 15:48:27 »
I'm guessing ISAP is essentially selection for CSOR and a fancy name. 8)
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2008, 20:35:07 »
oh OK I thought they were running 2 courses a year, thanks for the enlightenment. then that's what I will do then, but December damn that's going to be cold LOL. How long is ISAP, do you know?????

The ISAP ran last November was approx 3 weeks.  It's a selection thats not a selection.  It is designed to give potential operators from non-combat arms, non-army trades a chance to bring themselves up to a certain level of performance before they are deemed "unfit" to continue onto the course.  What I mean is that a Navy cook who wants to go CSOR probably hasn't seen a C7 since basic, let alone operate as an infantryman with one.  ISAP will teach people like those the necessary skills to demonstrate whether they have the ability to perform as an operator or not.  It also gives those with prior knowledge a chance to demonstrate teamwork and leadership skills as they are expected to help those individuals lacking.  This way everyone gets a fair shake.  ISAP stands for Individual Skills Assessment Phase... "selection" was already taken.   ;)

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2008, 21:34:52 »
Oh OK so it's pretty much a crash course on how to be a soldier then, and would be more or less a refresher for me. what happens after you pass the ISAP, would I go back to my unit till the next SOBQ course come around???
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2008, 21:39:44 »

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FOL SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF ISAP, APPLICANTS WILL BE ATTACHED POSTED TO CSOR FOR THE DURATION OF THE SPEC OP BASIC QUAL (SOBQ) CRSE (DATES TBC)

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2008, 21:44:50 »
Oh OK so it's pretty much a crash course on how to be a soldier then, and would be more or less a refresher for me.

I realize that after BattleSchool and being posted to Battalion, it may be hard for you to look at the ISAP as anything but a refresher to you, without having done it. But I would suggest you modify that point of view somewhat.

Like any course, with the experience of the staff you'll have, look at it as the test it is, and the learning experience it will be for you. And not just from the staff, but your non-combat arms and non-army coursemates as well.

If you have a "ya, ya, I've done this before, I know what I'm doing" attitude, you'll be in for a harder time.

There's a reason it's a selection an assessment.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2008, 23:22:08 »
Including phobia week ISAP is 4 weeks. You will be tested on all the skills of a basic infantry soldier as well as things you will not have seen before. He you are good at weapons them you will be expected to help those who are not. It is a selection not a refresher. I have heard of Pathfinders and Rangers who were not selected to do the SOBQ.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2008, 23:28:39 »
It's all in who you know ... get to the unit at the right time, do the right things, meet the right people and you can really go places.  I know young privates that were snipers in the sniper cell with less than a year in battalion.  It is feasible that a young go getter posted to the third could get his recce and para course before the 2 year mark, and these are precisely the kind of people CSOR wants to steal recruit from the line units.  Motivated, professional, disciplined soldiers.
Being "Motivated, professional, disciplined" and "knowing" thr right people doesn't seem to have stood for much from what I've seen.  I had 3 guys that came in with me who went on the CSOR ISAP after a few months in battalion.  All they had to do was put in a memo basically.  All came back, 1 injured, 1 phobia test failure, and the other withdrew.

In my short time here, I've seen brand new guys get sent on the recce course simply for raising their hand when a NCO comes down and says "Who wants to go on a recce course".

And as for selection of those put on OMLT, POMLT, and 10%?  Names pulled from a hat. Merit has NOTHING to do with much unfortunately from my perspective.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2008, 23:34:51 »
From what I've seen, they are quite willing to waive the 2 year requirement.

Also, from what I've been hearing, they are not happy with the CoC denying soldier's memos and will be expecting the units to be coughing up more troops to them soon.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2008, 16:33:37 »
Dirty Dog,
What are you trying to say?
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2008, 16:39:27 »
Dirty Dog,
What are you trying to say?
I have an unclassified memo here somewhere that more or less spells out CSOR wants it's feeder units to be more willing to give up troops or something or other.  I'll try and find it.

And as far as them waiving the 2 year requirment for just anyone (as was the case with the guys I got to battalion with) I heard that's not on anymore.  I'm presumming that has something to do with a failure rate among those they waived it for, but I don't really know.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2008, 16:44:24 »
Seen.

I have heard the 2 years service thing is back in place now after the VAST majority of young troops did not make it past the last ISAP.

I would also assume from what I heard that there are probably select individuals who are 19-22 years old that are mature enough and good enough to make it through SOBQ.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2012, 14:05:18 »
I realize that this is a dead topic, and I'm sorry for brining it "back to life" but I was wondering; do they still run ISAP's and SOBQ's or do they have sufficient numbers?

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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2012, 20:41:16 »
They run AP every year, as well as SFC(formally known as SOBQ)

If you are interested in becoming a Operator, call/email their recruiting cell and put in a application.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2012, 02:02:47 »
Curious cause its the weekend, and their recruiters won't be answering any email/phone calls, but does anyone here know if there are any real hard reasons why or if your CofC can **** can your application. 

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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2012, 04:34:42 »
ISAP is 7 days, 10 if you're an officer.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2012, 07:13:37 »
Curious cause its the weekend, and their recruiters won't be answering any email/phone calls, but does anyone here know if there are any real hard reasons why or if your CofC can **** can your application.

Can they can your application? Absolutely.  Why?  For pretty much any reason they want.

I've seen guys applications get canned for reasons such as, they are pumps, they are not liked by the CoC, and more commonly....the application sits on a desk forever lost in purgatory.

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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2012, 09:20:59 »
Can they can your application? Absolutely.  Why?  For pretty much any reason they want.

I've seen guys applications get canned for reasons such as, they are pumps, they are not liked by the CoC, and more commonly....the application sits on a desk forever lost in purgatory.

Before you start filling out your application you submit your "Intent to Apply" from the CSOR website. This allows CSOR's recruiters to track who's in the process of applying. If your application is being held up for some non-valid reason (IE.. just sitting on a desk) they should be able to help. So as always call the recruiters..

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2012, 09:36:30 »
Curious cause its the weekend, and their recruiters won't be answering any email/phone calls, but does anyone here know if there are any real hard reasons why or if your CofC can **** can your application.

CoC can loose your application a month before your selection date.
Oops - OC had it crammed in the back of his desk with a crap ton of other missing memos.

A year later the BPSO can have a break down or something and drop all his case files for a few months- 2 months before your selection causing you to miss your second selection date.


The CoC can stop applications if you're undergoing disciplinary/administrative issues.
If the CoC doesn't like you they can try and stop your application but then your bad performance needs to be documented in your PDRs or on paper somewhere to substantiate their claims otherwise you're in a good position to redress it.

Unless you see it in a canforgen (ie JTF2 no longer accepting reservists) then don't believe rumors such as CSOR is full and they're not running SOBQs anymore.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2012, 13:47:20 »

The CoC can stop applications if you're undergoing disciplinary/administrative issues.
If the CoC doesn't like you they can try and stop your application but then your bad performance needs to be documented in your PDRs or on paper somewhere to substantiate their claims otherwise you're in a good position to redress it.


Thats what I was kinda figuring.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2012, 12:46:44 »
Thats what I was kinda figuring.

It's easier to apply to CSOR (CP, hummit, CACI, Cobra) when you're a reservist.   That's both from friends over there and the recruiters themselves.

That said the reserves are often lazy and think that if they just say no they don't have to substantiate why nor does the member have an ability to address it.
Problem is reserve wise it can take you months to track down signatures and people to fill out your assessment forms, get medicals, all the checks you need.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2012, 16:01:52 »
It's easier to apply to CSOR (CP, hummit, CACI, Cobra) when you're a reservist.   That's both from friends over there and the recruiters themselves.

That said the reserves are often lazy and think that if they just say no they don't have to substantiate why nor does the member have an ability to address it.
Problem is reserve wise it can take you months to track down signatures and people to fill out your assessment forms, get medicals, all the checks you need.

I guess that vary unit by unit.  Mine is fairly quick with pushing things through, its the other parts that are giving me grief, but I am going to address them come monday, when I can contact the recruiter I have been in contact with, and hopefully have something concrete supporting me.   

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2016, 22:27:41 »
They run AP every year, as well as SFC(formally known as SOBQ)

If you are interested in becoming a Operator, call/email their recruiting cell and put in a application.

AP and SOBQ are both exclusively for those who apply for SF Operator, correct? Would AP and SOBQ be required for members who apply as SF Specialists: MedTech, CER, Sigs etc. or upon completing Assessment would they move into alternate training pipelines? I'm curious because I know that the Specialists are held to a different standard than SF Supporters: Clerks, MSE Ops, etc.
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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2016, 22:33:09 »
That said the reserves the reserve units I have direct experience with are often lazy and think that if they just say no they don't have to substantiate why nor does the member have an ability to address it.
This is why applicants are asked to submit a Notice of Intent to Apply directly to the recruiters. And also why a system for redress of grievances exists.

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Re: Joining CSOR early
« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2016, 08:55:15 »
AP and SOBQ are both exclusively for those who apply for SF Operator, correct? Would AP and SOBQ be required for members who apply as SF Specialists: MedTech, CER, Sigs etc. or upon completing Assessment would they move into alternate training pipelines? I'm curious because I know that the Specialists are held to a different standard than SF Supporters: Clerks, MSE Ops, etc.


If you apply for Operator, you will take AP and if successful you would move onto SFC.  Those applying for Support/Specialist positions do not take AP or SFC.