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Re: 5d reserve to Reg
« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2012, 21:34:47 »
they gave me a 5d ( because apparently thats what they were giving, it was a voluntary release, not during a course, etc)


A 5(d) release is not something given out just because "that's what they were giving". You already started a thread about your 5(d) so regardless of why you were released with this item, the fact is that you were released 5(d). So we have a frame of reference, that item means:

http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/qro-orf/vol-01/chapter-chapitre-015-eng.asp

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(d) Not Advantageously Employable

Applies to the release of an officer or non-commissioned member:

            because of an inherent lack of ability or aptitude to meet military classification or trade standards; or

            who is unable to adapt to military life; or

            who, either wholly or chiefly because of the conditions of military life or other factors beyond his control, develops personal weaknesses or has domestic or other personal problems that seriously impair his usefulness to or impose an excessive administrative burden on the Canadian Forces.

DAOD 5002-1 provides direction for your situation:
http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/dao-doa/5000/5002-1-eng.asp

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In accordance with QR&O paragraphs 6.01(2) and (4), unless special authority is personally obtained from the Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS), an applicant with former service shall not be enrolled if released:

as medically unfit;

for inefficiency;

with a conduct assessment below “good” or equivalent, other than a conduct assessment below “good” or equivalent that was based upon conviction for which a pardon has been granted under the Criminal Records Act; or

for misconduct.

For applicants with former CF service, the above includes any release from the CF under Item 1 (misconduct), 2 (unsatisfactory service), 3(a) (medically unfit for further service), 5(d) (not advantageously employable) or 5(f) (unsuitable for further service) of the Table to QR&O article 15.01, Release of Officers and Non-Commissioned Member. For applicants with former service in any other military force or the RCMP, the above includes any reason analogous to one of these Items.

Yes, you will need the approval of the CDS.
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Re: 5d reserve to Reg
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Re: 5d reserve to Reg
« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2012, 23:09:49 »

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Re: 5D release/re-enrollment (merged)
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2012, 17:48:08 »
Hello there

I'm brand new to this site so please forgive me if similar threads already exist.

Here's my story;

I joined the regular forces in January 2002 as an infantry officer. I was 21 at the time and didn't have a degree. I think my entry program was CEOTP or something like that. I had to finish my degree part time over my 9 year contract.

I did BOTC at St-Jean and graduated in May 2002. I then went to Gagetown and did CAP, I managed to pass. Then I went on phase III infantry in winter 2003 and failed during the last week. I didn't deserve to pass anyway so I won't dwell on that. I asked for an appointment with the BPSO and he basically told me that I couldn't do anything else since I didn't have a degree. So I was recoursed and went to University part-time for the summer and fall. I re-did phase III infantry in winter 2004 and got hurt during the 5th week. I met the BPSO again and tried to get a transfer. I even asked if I could go NCO and once again, I was stuck and couldn't do anything. I went to university part-time again during fall 2004.

I submitted my release in january 2005. My reason was that I wanted to finish my degree and that I wasn’t a good person military-wise (yeah I know, stupid me). I got accepted at Bishop's University and my semester was starting on the 3rd of September 2005.

In late July I finally received my release package which stated that I was to be released under item 5d)

5d) Not Advantageously Employable:  “who, either wholly or chiefly because of the conditions of military life or other factors beyond his control, develops personal weaknesses or has domestic or other personal problems that seriously impair his usefulness to or impose an excessive administrative burden on the Canadian Forces".

The platoon 2IC told me that I could fill a "complaint" (there was a specific name for that document but I can't remember it). But of course, doing so was gonna push my release date and I was 6 weeks away from starting university, so I signed to thing and officially got released on the 7th of august 2005.

I graduated with a major in psychology and a minor in Spanish. After I graduated, I taught English in South Korea for a year. I then travelled over 3 continents for 5 months. I’m 29 now and I work as a social worker. I speak French, English and Spanish fluently (French being my mother tongue), and I can also get by in Korean. I’m healthy, in good physical shape, no criminal record and my credit is good.

 I re-applied as an Intelligence officer for the navy reserve a few weeks ago. All of my tests went well and I didn’t have to redo the aptitude test because it was still valid and I qualified for every trade.

However, during the interview, the captain (a vandoo guy) told me that my file had to go to Ottawa to get an “enrolment exemption” due to my 5d release (exemption d'enrôlement dû à votre libération 5D). He told me that I had a really good interview and strongly suggested that I’d be re-enrolled, but that’s only what he said, doesn’t mean much in the military world I know that.

So anyone could tell me what my chances are? Anyone had a similar story?

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Dude your story is extreme, i have witnessed your story first hand in recruit school and have heard of many ppl getting the same fate. however i wouldnt bother trying to get into the CF after all this stuff that happend. plus these instructors are the front lines of defense to the military they have to make decsions based on your actons and obviously you made a bad impression but really man who cares move to alberta get a job on the rigs and make a boat load of money that is the best advice i can give you right now. Just stay away from the CF or police.
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Re: 5D release/re-enrollment (merged)
« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2012, 17:57:49 »
<snip> that is the best advice i can give you right now.

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Re: 5D release/re-enrollment (merged)
« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2013, 21:56:41 »
My situation. 

5D in 1989 at age 19.  Now 44, a veteran paramedic applying as a semi-skilled Med Tech.  Medical, interview, PLAR, references, CFAT all done and passed without issue.  Now waiting on 5D re-enrolment waiver.

What is the likelihood that the CDS will accept my 25 years of personal and professional growth and my semi-skilled (I am exempt from most of the QL3) status and grant a waiver?

This topic's has been quiet for almost a year and I'm looking for newer intel if it exists.

Thank you.

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Re: 5D release/re-enrollment (merged)
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2014, 04:16:18 »
my story is similar to some of the ones posted here. i was released on a 5d in 1995 for "chronic personal problems that brought discredit to the force". translation: i was an immature jerk who partied too much. i loved the army though, and thrived off of the challenges both mental and physical. boot camp was incredible & i still have the twin scars on my elbows from the leopard crawl. my troop was awesome. but i was 22/23 undisciplined and just didnt know how to be a social drinker. one night i got into a bar fight and was charged with assault, this is the straw that broke the camel's back and my CO met with me and let me know i was getting close to being in real trouble. the whole way of it, the unit leadership was trying to reach me but i was just too immature. they even said i could appeal the 5d, but something in me knew i wasnt ready so i let it go. its been 20 years and ive long since worked the wild oats out of my system and my life has been highly positive. ive matured and learned how to take responsibility for my own behavior and choices, ive earned several degrees and basically leveled out to be a productive, contributing member of society. ive played team sports like rugby and football as well as soccer along the way and learned a lot about teamwork and being responsible not just for myself, but for respecting my role as part of a team & respecting the collective goals of the team. now i am wanting to re-enlist because im about to graduate with my master's degree and have always had a special place in my heart for the army. i feel that i am in a far better place & have a whole lot more to offer to the CF than i did when i was in my erly 20s....i have contacted a recruiter about learning more around the issue of 5d re-enrolment but haven't heard back yet so i thought id post here and see what others have to say about the situation.

thanks for your time

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Re: 5D release/re-enrollment (merged)
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2014, 04:57:37 »
The PSO at the recruiting centre can apply for a waiver to re-enrole you, if you can convince said PSO that you really are a new you.  At least that is how it worked when I was in recruiting 7 years ago.

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« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2016, 09:36:09 »
Hello, I am looking for some advice.  Trying to administer a student that has trains running on several different tracks and I don't know which train he should get on.

-Less than 1 yr in CAF
-submitted a memo for a VR
-has a PCAT pending unfit op environment (addiction issues)
-just recieved notice of a 5d release (missing too much school, unlikely to ever be able to succeed)

Member is concerned that he will not be able to access addiction treatment and counselling after VR or 5d.
5d happens uber fast around here if student does not object.
I recommended to my CofC that he be assigned an assisting Officer right away as he only has 14 days to make objections if he wants to.
Are any of these trains on a collision course with each other?  ie) is the pending PCAT a barrier to a 5d ?

Thanks for any advice.
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Re: 5D release/re-enrollment (merged)
« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2016, 07:25:46 »
A PCAT for addiction issues would lead me to two broad conclusions:

1. this was a pre-enrollment condition; or
2. he was unwilling to undertake treatment.

It is highly unusual for someone with less that one year of service to wind up on a PCAT for what should be a correctable issue.
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5d item relase with medical benefits
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2018, 16:12:30 »
Just as a general question and of course for my own.

I have read and witnessed that people getting released under 5d item at some point could maybe not change their item but profit from some of the 3a or 3b medicals benefits. Is anyone would know how to conduct such process ?