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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2017, 20:17:51 »
I'm not even associated with Tim's family and can only imagine the pain and sadness his mother endures every day, but I find the idea of Li getting a full discharge absolutely abhorrent.

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Yet, when I made the comment a few days back that our Justice System often favours the Criminal over the Victims, the cries came out again about "Human Rights".  This is one of many cases, and unfortunately we are forced to live with them even though they are morally distasteful.

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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2017, 21:14:03 »
Medication be damned.  I would never be comfortable around Li or trust anyone else like him, should they be returned to society.  As far as I'm concerned he just one step away from going off meds and listening to those voices in his head once more.  Those voices need their tongues  cut out.

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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2017, 21:51:25 »
Vince Li = nightmare fuel. I can't buy a greyhound ticket without a tiny tinge of worry because of that one time someone got beheaded on the bus. I feel bad because there is, I believe, A very high chance (99.9% certain) that he is mentally ill and wasn't necessarily in control. BUT that lack of control itself should merit a life of segregation.
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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2017, 22:03:35 »
Vince Li actually gives me the heebie jeebies dude. Can't believe he is out.

He's now known as Will Baker. He's completely on his own and trusted to take his meds. The mental health advocates ....(and to a certain extent I
am one too).. .basically called all those who wanted Vince in a secure facility for life a bunch of uneducated ignorant hicks. I would far prefer him in a secure psychiatric facility than on the street. Compassion only goes so far before it becomes idiocy.
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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2017, 22:06:30 »
Vince Li = nightmare fuel.

Vince has his own nine-page thread,

Manitoba bus stabbing/ beheading
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=78542.150

This makes it an even dozen,

'Hated' church group to protest Tim McLean funeral 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=78744.0
3 pages.
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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2017, 23:38:50 »

Yet, when I made the comment a few days back that our Justice System often favours the Criminal over the Victims, the cries came out again about "Human Rights".  This is one of many cases, and unfortunately we are forced to live with them even though they are morally distasteful.

Vince Lee wasn't convicted of a crime, so, that doesn't really make your argument.

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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2017, 23:39:50 »
Medication be damned.  I would never be comfortable around Li or trust anyone else like him, should they be returned to society.  As far as I'm concerned he just one step away from going off meds and listening to those voices in his head once more.  Those voices need their tongues  cut out.

The mania always returns if they go off their meds.  He should have been supervised for life at medication time.

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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2017, 09:22:23 »
Vince Lee wasn't convicted of a crime, so, that doesn't really make your argument.

Let's not confuse legalities with realities.  The guy cut a person's head of on a bus and consumed part of him.  He shouldn't be wandering around free in society again.  Ever.
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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2017, 10:59:18 »
Let's not confuse legalities with realities.  The guy cut a person's head of on a bus and consumed part of him.  He shouldn't be wandering around free in society again.  Ever.

If you read my next post, you'll see that I agree with you - I simply don't feel that his case is the right one with which to attack the justice system, since he did not remain in it in any meaningful way. 

Anyway, back to the topic.

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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2017, 16:51:55 »
Vince Lee wasn't convicted of a crime, so, that doesn't really make your argument.
Not to be pickie, but where did I mention Vince Li or Lee?
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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2019, 19:33:46 »
Necrothread nudged with the latest ...
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Ontario's highest court has granted a new trial for two men who were found guilty of terrorism charges after being accused of plotting to derail a Via Rail passenger train in the Greater Toronto Area.

The Court of Appeal for Ontario ordered Tuesday* that the 2015 convictions of Raed Jaser and Chiheb Esseghaier be set aside.

A new trial was ordered. The Public Prosecution Service of Canada confirmed in a statement** that it will proceed with a new trial.

Both men are still in custody, and will remain there unless they are released on a successful bail application, said Megan Savard, one of Jaser's lawyers.

His lawyers had argued in court earlier this year that the judge who oversaw the case made several errors, including rejecting their request as to the method of jury selection ...
* - Text of court decision attached.
** - Text of PPSC statement also attached.
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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2019, 19:42:22 »
I hope they get found guilty again and don't see daylight for years (I'd prefer never...).  I am not a fan of our 'legal' system and all the technical loopholes POSs can find to get out of paying for their crimes.
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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2019, 21:41:27 »
I hope they get found guilty again and don't see daylight for years (I'd prefer never...).  I am not a fan of our 'legal' system and all the technical loopholes POSs can find to get out of paying for their crimes.

EITS it’s an industry not a system.

Where people with sub normal IQs are sentenced to lengthy terms and the wealthy often see no jail time....am I a cynic?
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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2019, 21:54:41 »
They'll likely be in the wind within a week of release.
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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2019, 21:55:16 »
and the wealthy often see no jail time....

Innocent until proven broke?  :)

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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2019, 20:51:13 »
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Ontario's highest court has granted a new trial for two men who were found guilty of terrorism charges after being accused of plotting to derail a Via Rail passenger train in the Greater Toronto Area.

The Court of Appeal for Ontario ordered Tuesday that the 2015 convictions of Raed Jaser and Chiheb Esseghaier be set aside.

A new trial was ordered ...
Next:  trial by judge alone, IF The Supremes don't chime in* ...
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Two men convicted of plotting to crash a Via Rail train have chosen to be tried by judge alone should their case not proceed to the Supreme Court of Canada.

The Ontario Court of Appeal overturned the 2015 convictions of Raed Jaser and Chiheb Esseghaier on terror-related charges related to an al-Qaida-inspired plot to derail a passenger train travelling between the United States and Canada.

The men were sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole until 2023.

The appellate court ordered a new trial for the men, which is scheduled to begin in the Superior Court of Justice on Sept. 14, 2020.

The Crown has asked the Supreme Court to review the appeal court’s decision, which cited an error in jury selection as the reason for overturning the lower court’s ruling.

Superior Court Justice John McMahon says he is proceeding with the case assuming the Supreme Court chooses not to hear it.
* - According to the Supreme Court's own stats, there's about a 6% chance any appeal that is filed will be heard.
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Re: Terrorist Plot to Sabotage Canada-U.S. VIA Train Foiled
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2020, 15:06:24 »
The latest:  The Supremes will hear an appeal of the decision to give these two a new trial ....
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The Supreme Court of Canada will review a lower-court decision to grant a new trial to two men accused of plotting to crash a Via Rail train.

Raed Jaser and Chiheb Esseghaier were found guilty in 2015 of terror-related charges arising mainly from an alleged al-Qaida-inspired plot to derail a passenger train travelling between the United States and Canada.

Both men appealed their convictions. Counsel for Jaser and a court-appointed lawyer for Esseghaier argued the jury at the trial was improperly constituted.

In August last year, the Ontario Court of Appeal ordered a fresh trial for the men on grounds the jury was indeed chosen incorrectly.

Following the decision, the Public Prosecution Service of Canada said it would proceed with a new trial. However, federal lawyers also exercised a right to seek the Supreme Court's permission to challenge the appeal-court decision.

As usual, the high court gave no reason Thursday for agreeing to hear the case ...
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