Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[PPCLI Guy]

Carney telling the youth of this nation to continue sacrificing has to be one of the most tone deaf speeches I've ever heard. You have a man worth 10s of millions, ethically conflicted, telling a group who will never own a home, can barely pay their rent, being burdened with insane inflation, lost multiple years of their youth to lock downs to continue sacrificing? Don't forget that it was hours before hopping on a private jet to hang with the Blue Jays before setting of on a vacation to Asia.

And I thought cutting Disney+ was a bad take.

It is appalling. Where are you going to move to in order to escape this travesty? US? Hungary? China?

 

[brihard]

It is appalling. Where are you going to move to in order to escape this travesty? US? Hungary? China?

He won’t. For all his complaining about the Canadian government and policy and how crappy Canada is, he’s been open about riding it out til he gets the pension. And that’s fine- but it’s useful context to qualify the depth of his convictions on the state of our country.

 

[The Bread Guy]

This is fairly big news.
It won’t end here.

Truer words rarely typed …

 

[Czech_pivo]

It is appalling. Where are you going to move to in order to escape this travesty? US? Hungary? China?

Why not?
A persons 20s should include flexibility and a willingness to try new things and explore the world. By the time I was 27 I had already lived in 5 countries. In Canada I had lived in Windsor, London and Ottawa. I came from a middle class background, not lower not higher middle class, just middle class. A mother who went back to work par time when my brother and I were older, a father who after high school worked at the Windsor Salt Mine, CPR, moved out to Calgary for 9 months for work, hated it, moved back to Windsor, got work at Walker Metals and then at the old Plant 3 in Windsor Chrysler. He went to St Clair College after few years for night school to become an accountant and then moved over to the Admin Building on Pillette Rd as an accountant for Chrysler.
If I was 22-25yrs old with a decent undergrad, I’d move to Southeast Asia for work - Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand maybe Singapore, Malaysia. The Gulf States are always looking for talent in their businesses. Possibly look at Chile or Uruguay. Lastly, still lots of work in the US with a TN Visa, just move to New England if you don’t like Trump, closest area of the US that thinks/acts like Canada.

 

[PrairieFella]

Wonder how much this will cost us.

Canada cancels plan to donate refurbished armour to Ukraine: defence minister​

Demise of Armatec contract still shrouded in secrecy; David McGuinty refuses to explain​

So if Ukraine isnt getting the coyotes...can the reserve armour units?

 

[PrairieFella]

Or the red tape killed it....

One of the military's simplest procurement projects is being tied down by red tape​

The light utility vehicle program, first pitched in 2017, could end up taking 13 years to complete​

The program remains mired in what DND calls the "options analysis" phase — a step the department, in a media statement, defended as necessary to ensure "that these new vehicles will meet the needs of the CAF, while providing the best value to Canadians and maximizing industry competition."

DND said that in the first phase of the program, it intends to buy 424 off-the-shelf trucks through what's known as individual standing offers, at a total cost of roughly $45 million. But it will be next year before the the department goes truck shopping.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/light-utility-vehicle-dnd-procurement-1.7315675

This one kills me. This project lagging the way it has is absolutely raking the reserves over the coals. Most of our rusted out vehicle fleet (milvsrado and LUVW) is to be replaced by this but it has been lagging for years and Ive never been able to pin down a reason why DLR is taking so long.

 

[dapaterson]

So if Ukraine isnt getting the coyotes...can the reserve armour units?

Vehicles without spares, run into the ground, can't even cannibalize because it's the same parts failing due to age?

 

[dapaterson]

This one kills me. This project lagging the way it has is absolutely raking the reserves over the coals. Most of our rusted out vehicle fleet (milvsrado and LUVW) is to be replaced by this but it has been lagging for years and Ive never been able to pin down a reason why DLR is taking so long.

Lack of money and lack of priority.

 

[PrairieFella]

Vehicles without spares, run into the ground, can't even cannibalize because it's the same parts failing due to age?

Literally anything that runs for a training year or two is better than the situation most units are in now...glorified golf carts with no comms, gunnery or cross country capability.

 

[PrairieFella]

Lack of money and lack of priority.

Brutal. Its such an easy win to buy trucks. Its a scandal that its taken this long and those responsible should be held accountable. If we cant even buy trucks in a decade + for the regs and reserves, how can we trust these people to buy advanced armament and equipment?

 

[lenaitch]

I’m still waiting to read the judge’s written decision- and I’m sure there will be an appeal.

It's a pretty high bar that MAG might not feel it can clear (without knowing the text of the decision):

R. v. Bellusci, 2012 SCC 44, [2012] 2 S.C.R. 509

Section 24(1) of the Charter vests in trial judges broad discretion in granting “such remedy as the court considers appropriate and just in the circumstances”. It is well established that remedies granted by trial judges under s. 24(1) should be disturbed on appeal only where trial judges misdirect themselves or their decision is so clearly wrong as to amount to an injustice. Absent an error of law or reviewable finding of fact, appellate courts must defer to the broad discretion vested in trial judges by s. 24(1) of the Charter.
The trial judge in this case carefully and correctly considered all the relevant principles. He assessed the gravity of the prejudice and explained why he thought alternative remedies were inadequate. He did not misdirect himself on the applicable law or commit a reviewable error of fact. His exercise of discretion to grant a stay of proceedings was not so clearly wrong as to amount to an injustice.[quote/]

 

[brihard]

It's a pretty high bar that MAG might not feel it can clear (without knowing the text of the decision):

R. v. Bellusci, 2012 SCC 44, [2012] 2 S.C.R. 509

Yup- a very high bar indeed. And without seeing the written decision, tough to gauge. But the offences with which these three are charged are absolutely heinous, so I could see the “injustice” argument being made.

 

[Edward Campbell]

Brutal. Its such an easy win to buy trucks. Its a scandal that its taken this long and those responsible should be held accountable. If we cant even buy trucks in a decade + for the regs and reserves, how can we trust these people to buy advanced armament and equipment?

The CF can have, quickly, whatever cabinet decides it wants the CF to have - remember when we got Leopard 2 tanks and C-17s? There is nothing illegal or even difficult about sole-source, directed contracts. It is solely and simply a matter of political will.

 

[Navy_Pete]

The CF can have, quickly, whatever cabinet decides it wants the CF to have - remember when we got Leopard 2 tanks and C-17s? There is nothing illegal or even difficult about sole-source, directed contracts. It is solely and simply a matter of political will.

I really wish they would apply the national security exemption more option, it's the normal procurement requirements and terms of international treaties around normal government procurement that add in a lot of delays and prescriptive procurement requirements that dont' really make sense for a lot of defence procurements.

 

[YZT580]

I really wish they would apply the national security exemption more option, it's the normal procurement requirements and terms of international treaties around normal government procurement that add in a lot of delays and prescriptive procurement requirements that dont' really make sense for a lot of defence procurements.

we are talking about a pickup truck or suv right? What is there to Canadianize? Leave the radio slot blank for installation at the base and get a custom paint job. Easy/peasy.

 

[Navy_Pete]

we are talking about a pickup truck or suv right? What is there to Canadianize? Leave the radio slot blank for installation at the base and get a custom paint job. Easy/peasy.

You don't need to Canadianize anything, it's just the size of the contract and dollar value means all kinds of international trade agreements apply, which adds a lot of process. The dollar values also adds a lot of internal processes, which is likely most of the delay, but defence doesn't have the same risk/complexity scaling with money compared to any other department so the normal GoC processes get way to onerous for simple procurements with big price tags, just due to scope and volume.

Edit: For a bit of context, was talking to someone at the executive level another department many years ago that was nervous about the size and dollar value of their project, and realized it was something like $5M total. I had just signed a $3Mish monthly invoice for a project a few months before that as a newly OFP qualified two ringer working as a deputy PM and no one batted an eye, or even paid any real attention because it was too small.

 

[CBH99]

Why not?
A persons 20s should include flexibility and a willingness to try new things and explore the world. By the time I was 27 I had already lived in 5 countries. In Canada I had lived in Windsor, London and Ottawa. I came from a middle class background, not lower not higher middle class, just middle class. A mother who went back to work par time when my brother and I were older, a father who after high school worked at the Windsor Salt Mine, CPR, moved out to Calgary for 9 months for work, hated it, moved back to Windsor, got work at Walker Metals and then at the old Plant 3 in Windsor Chrysler. He went to St Clair College after few years for night school to become an accountant and then moved over to the Admin Building on Pillette Rd as an accountant for Chrysler.
If I was 22-25yrs old with a decent undergrad, I’d move to Southeast Asia for work - Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand maybe Singapore, Malaysia. The Gulf States are always looking for talent in their businesses. Possibly look at Chile or Uruguay. Lastly, still lots of work in the US with a TN Visa, just move to New England if you don’t like Trump, closest area of the US that thinks/acts like Canada.

I totally know what you're saying, I would just point out that depending on where someone is in the country, the way Canada thinks/acts can be quite different.

(Example - the way people around Edmonton think/act is very different than how people think/act in Ottawa. Or Toronto. Or Quebec City. Or Moncton. Etc)

 

[Czech_pivo]

I totally know what you're saying, I would just point out that depending on where someone is in the country, the way Canada thinks/acts can be quite different.

(Example - the way people around Edmonton think/act is very different than how people think/act in Ottawa. Or Toronto. Or Quebec City. Or Moncton. Etc)

Excellent point - thanks for pointing that out!

 

[MilEME09]

Ill be interested to see how the feds respond to the AB gov using the NWC to force teachers back to work.

Alberta government orders teachers back to work using notwithstanding clause

Alberta government orders teachers back to work using notwithstanding clause

The Alberta government has ordered more than 50,000 teachers back to work through legislation tabled Monday afternoon using the notwithstanding clause.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[brihard]

Ill be interested to see how the feds respond to the AB gov using the NWC to force teachers back to work.

Alberta government orders teachers back to work using notwithstanding clause

Alberta government orders teachers back to work using notwithstanding clause

The Alberta government has ordered more than 50,000 teachers back to work through legislation tabled Monday afternoon using the notwithstanding clause.

www.ctvnews.ca

The response of organized labour to this will be interesting. I would not rule out a wildcat strike by Alberta teachers. Use of Section 33 is an explicit acknowledgement that what you're doing is an otherwise unconstitutional violation of someone's rights. If you have to use Section 33 to try to compel someone's labour you're on very questionable moral standing.