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is there anywhere showing the 20-24 age group unemployment levels? Most recent thing I can find is from september 2025, at 11.3 percent, still high, but not exactly recent.
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Students and other persons aged 15 to 24 by detailed age group, unadjusted for seasonality
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Whatever it is they imagine it demonstrates, it doesn't support the point you want to make.
Garbage in, garbage out.
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13.3 percent, thanks.Students and other persons aged 15 to 24 by detailed age group, unadjusted for seasonality
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@Brad Sallows so a little lower than under 15-19 year olds (18 percent). Still much higher than the overall unemployment rate. Satisfied?
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"Students 20 to 24 years" are still students, and presumably most are full-time occupied with being students.
"Other persons aged 15 to 24". Nope.
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What do you want other than your personal feelings?
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Agree with him, he wants to be right.
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If we're going to bitch about unemployment among the young, it has to be a reasonably informed bitch.
Mixing high school age students, post-secondary students, and adult non-students into one lump doesn't inform us as to the unemployment faced by each of those distinct groups. One is underage, two are (or should be) full-time students, and only one is neither underage nor occupied by full-time studies (and thus in a position for which it's reasonable to expect them to work to support themselves, however they choose to live).
High unemployment among school age students seeking part-time work isn't a calamity. High unemployment among post-secondary students seeking part-time work is a bit more difficult since they have to pay their own way, but still isn't a calamity - it's possible to get loans for being a student, but considerably harder to get loans for being an unemployed idle adult. (Anyone who succeeds, let me know.)
Why should anyone accept a claim about apples supported by a number that is clearly a mix of apples, oranges, and pears?
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Naw. I just want to know whether I should care about this plight facing young people. If the best that can be done is to decorate the landscape with data polluted by the prospects of teenagers, I just don't care. When people care enough about their causes to provide good data, I might care about their causes. Over to them.
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How about this. When you find a scrape of data pointing towards your hypothesis that young people are somehow not working as hard, or are as you put it," seeking to find the job they want to do for the amount of money they need for the lifestyle they want to live", feel free to share it with the class.
Otherwise...
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splitting the unemployment data at 19ish makes sense. They are two separate cohorts IMO
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until this discussion i never would have thought differently
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until this discussion i never would have thought differently
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I'm just spitballing. If financial nihilists are going to behave like incels, that's on them, irrespective of causes/excuses.
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If someone is told they have a terminal disease, does that person save their money for a future they will never see? No.
Young people are being told they will never have the future their parents had no matter how hard they work, if they can even get it.
Naturally they will behave the same way. They have been told, and are experiencing, that they are being handed a terminal financial future.
so the gossip on Reddit is more valid than real life? You can't base your life on what other people say or do. That is why all those immigrants are running more and more businesses and Canadians are working for them when they can get a job since first dibs go to family. Those immigrants work as many jobs as required to achieve their goals. And no I didn't say that was the solution to youth unemployment. In fact I listed all the handicaps that WASP kids have to circumvent to even get a job including the ones that they or their family have erected or did you do your normal thing and just focus on one line? Your remarks simply raised barriers that might or might not exist, barriers that a little planning can overcome
He's never agreed with anyone.
. And I wasn't the one who introduced having two jobs I simply asked what was the problem with working two jobs (if you can find them)
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Sure. The fact it means they spend more on themselves right now has nothing to do with it.
Despair is a sin.
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I feel like you may be slightly out of touch with the realities young people are going through. I see it from my generation, I see it from extended family coming up behind me by up to ten years, and I read about it on places like reddit from young people today talking about how they have been handed a bill of goods.
Those darn immigrants, eh?
I literally said I agreed with most of your post minus the one line.
Look, me agreeing! Wowzers.
Again, the systemic solution isn't for every kid to become a entrepeneur. Unless the goal is for every 18 year old to open a OF and call it being a entrepeneur.
There is nothing wrong with working two jobs, I see it quite often. Sister in law, went to school for childhood education, works for the school board and then works with children with developmental disabilities after her 9-5. Still nowhere close to being able to afford a house. Or have kids. She's 36.
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Self-serving indulgences tend to be causes. What appears to go before tend to be excuses.
People are missing the point, then. Even without divine causes, humanity is not meant to thrive without substantial effort.
Canadians are getting what they voted for, including generations born since 1980.
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Humans, over generations, tend to be largely the same. Every older generation calls the generations that come after them lazy, who couldn't walk uphill both ways to school like they did, who listen to devil music teaching loose values (hi Elvis)
But on a whole, young people today are no different than the ones who came before. With that in mind, one has to wonder why that generation is not performing like every generation previously.
We are left with two choices. One, you are right, and they brought it upon themselves with some spectacular divergance never before seen in terms of being able to create wealth and and match if not surpass their parents. Or the system is setting them up to fail, their by policy, technology, circumstance, or a combination of all three.
Imagine going through that substantial effort, and still ending up further behind. How long before you give up on that path?
Wait, I thought it was the fault of the young people? Pick a lane.
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Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door
I haven't applied for a full-time job since 1972. So, I plead guilty.
But, working conditions have improved immeasurably since then. Call Volume, for example.
Also, now, if they feel stressed, they can bench themselves. No pay loss either.
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door
I haven't applied for a full-time job since 1972. So, I plead guilty.
But, working conditions have improved immeasurably since then. Call Volume, for example.
Also, now, if they feel stressed, they can bench themselves. No pay loss either.
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