Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

Since 2015 how does American productivity compete with ours ?

They got a hell of a deal on a bridge.

 

[Halifax Tar]

They got a hell of a deal on a bridge.

You mean our master negotiator and deal broker didnt come out on top ? I thought he said he did...

We get what we deserve.

 

[Altair]

You mean our master negotiator and deal broker didnt come out on top ? I thought he said he did...

We get what we deserve.

The new deal isn't even in effect you know, this dunking on Carney isn't really based in fact

 

[CBH99]

Huge issue, not just in older people, the youth are also being ruined by AI and we aren’t doing anything about it. They literally aren’t learning right now, when our collective IQ peaked and is now on a decline we need to stop and fix it. No one wants to however because that is hard and involves a lot of fighting, time, and money.

Does it though??

How hard is it to say no phones in class? Or go back to teaching the basics?


If students are going to use AI for assignments, we should try to find a way to make them use it the same way as Google - as a research tool, not a 'do everything tool'

How do we do that?? No idea. (I haven't really jumped onto this AI bandwagon yet)

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AI is still in it's infancy (which is scary)

I'm sure there are people working on this problem already. Society will adapt, just as it did with the introduction of search engines.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The new deal isn't even in effect you know, this dunking on Carney isn't really based in fact

The Bridge opened to traffic yesterday with tolls now being collected and the revenue sharing terms already active.

Carney did agree to give up more than the original terms, and he's already publicly admitted he explained it poorly and contradicted himself on the details.

 

[Czech_pivo]

You mean our master negotiator and deal broker didnt come out on top ? I thought he said he did...

We get what we deserve.

Your right, and a PM who's sole career has been a careerist MP would have achieved so much more.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Your right, and a PM who's sole career has been a careerist MP would have achieved so much more.

What PM is that ?

 

[Altair]

Does it though??

Yes.

How hard is it to say no phones in class? Or go back to teaching the basics?

No phones in class,sure. It's students going home having AI force feed them their assignments

If students are going to use AI for assignments, we should try to find a way to make them use it the same way as Google - as a research tool, not a 'do everything tool'

Google is a search engine. It leads you to sources, to data.

LLMs are force feeding people what to think. I recently was rebuilding my PC, and googled about the fan port for a new exhaust fan i was installing.

Google Ai tried feed me an answer, and I decided to see what it told me (i had already found the amswer on reddit.)

It told me to just plug it into the Sys-fan port on the motherboard. I gave it a photo. It said, right there, bottom left of your photo, plug it in. I took another photo, saying i dont see it. It told me, no worries, when you install it you will find it when i move my current heatsink.

After 5 more photos and actually removing my heatsink it replies, oh no, it turns out you dont have a sys-fan port. Use a splitter!

Thanks google ai, gaslighting me when a reddit post had given me the answer 10 minutes earlier.

so what's the problem? The problem is LLM FORCE feeding me the wrong answer for 10 minutes. What if I didn't know already that was the wrong answer? The problem with LLMs is they can and do force feed us stuff that is sloppy, factually incorrect, but if people are using it as a source for something they don't know, how do they know its incorrect?

How do we do that?? No idea. (I haven't really jumped onto this AI bandwagon yet)

We need to regulate the AI sector. Heavily. But tech giants are a protected class.

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AI is still in it's infancy (which is scary)

It's only getting better. And the next models are going to be much more powerful and smarter than the current models.

And every human is learning to rely on them for critical thinking. We are screwed as a species.

I'm sure there are people working on this problem already. Society will adapt, just as it did with the introduction of search engines.

Nobody is regulating this. Thus nobody is working on it.

 

[Altair]

The Bridge opened to traffic yesterday with tolls now being collected and the revenue sharing terms already active.

Carney did agree to give up more than the original terms, and he's already publicly admitted he explained it poorly and contradicted himself on the details.

Wrong.

There is no revenue sharing because there is no mechanism for revenue sharing.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Wrong.

There is no revenue sharing because there is no mechanism for revenue sharing.

You got me there.

The agreement in principle locks in the 50/50 net split, it's just that the fund and cost definitions to actually run it are still being set up. So more like "deal's signed, plumbing's not installed yet" than "nothing exists."

 

[Czech_pivo]

What PM is that ?

A fictional PM that doesn't exist.

 

[YZT580]

Does it though??

How hard is it to say no phones in class? Or go back to teaching the basics?


If students are going to use AI for assignments, we should try to find a way to make them use it the same way as Google - as a research tool, not a 'do everything tool'

How do we do that?? No idea. (I haven't really jumped onto this AI bandwagon yet)

...

AI is still in it's infancy (which is scary)

I'm sure there are people working on this problem already. Society will adapt, just as it did with the introduction of search engines.

and even worse, it teaches things that are flat out wrong although they often come with the "this may not be exact" caveat. But who pays attention to a warning until they actually get burnt. Case in point I was out pulling weeds yesterday and came across one without any fruit or flowers that I couldn't readily identify as they were only a few inches above ground. So I asked THE MACHINE and it came back with young mock orange plants: good deal. But there was a vine growing nearby with a similar leaf so I asked about it as well. Came back with a plant called 'dog strangling vine' which is listed as noxious and invasive and can be toxic. So I went back to sample A and tried again. This time it came back as young vine plants. AI is not intelligent nor does it think for itself. It simply allows the user to access a much larger data base than a home computer or laptop and processes that larger resource to produce the most logical answer given the information. Believing it as being fact can and will lead to wrong conclusions and possible fatal errors. Could be of interest to game the 1983 false alarm regarding missile launches and again the 1995 Norwegian launch to see what an AI response would make of them. Would they agree with Petrov and ignore it instead of passing it up the line, would they wait as the Russians did in 1995? Do want to bet your life on a computer decision?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Your right, and a PM who's sole career has been a careerist MP would have achieved so much more.

Essentially anyone who isn't a career MP will always be smarter and more successful than Poilievre.

 

[Altair]

You got me there.

The agreement in principle locks in the 50/50 net split, it's just that the fund and cost definitions to actually run it are still being set up. So more like "deal's signed, plumbing's not installed yet" than "nothing exists."

It's like the F35 agreement. Canada says we commit to it, but we haven't signed the paperwork. And we can still renegotiate or walk away.

Trump is celebrating his touchdown at the 10 yard line and Carney is trying to force a fumble before he crosses for a touchdown.

Trump may yet get his touchdown, but the play is still in motion and this dunking on Carney is premature.

 

[Altair]

and even worse, it teaches things that are flat out wrong although they often come with the "this may not be exact" caveat. But who pays attention to a warning until they actually get burnt. Case in point I was out pulling weeds yesterday and came across one without any fruit or flowers that I couldn't readily identify as they were only a few inches above ground. So I asked THE MACHINE and it came back with young mock orange plants: good deal. But there was a vine growing nearby with a similar leaf so I asked about it as well. Came back with a plant called 'dog strangling vine' which is listed as noxious and invasive and can be toxic. So I went back to sample A and tried again. This time it came back as young vine plants. AI is not intelligent nor does it think for itself. It simply allows the user to access a much larger data base than a home computer or laptop and processes that larger resource to produce the most logical answer given the information. Believing it as being fact can and will lead to wrong conclusions and possible fatal errors. Could be of interest to game the 1983 false alarm regarding missile launches and again the 1995 Norwegian launch to see what an AI response would make of them. Would they agree with Petrov and ignore it instead of passing it up the line, would they wait as the Russians did in 1995? Do want to bet your life on a computer decision?

We have politicians who don't even know not to read the AI prompts.

Sure its just a backbencher in a provincial legislature, but that's just because he outed himself.

How many cabinet ministers or premiers are using LLMs to make decisions or tell them how to think?

 

[YZT580]

We have politicians who don't even know not to read the AI prompts.

Such its just a backbencher in a provincial legislature, but that's just because he outed himself.

How many cabinet ministers or premiers are using LLMs to make decisions or tell them how to think?

scary

 

[Jarnhamar]

It's like the F35 agreement. Canada says we commit to it, but we haven't signed the paperwork. And we can still renegotiate or walk away.

Didn't Canada actually sign a full binding $19B contract for all 88 F-35s back in January 2023?

With Carney ordering a review of that signed deal in 2025, and the government hasn't confirmed whether the remaining 72 jets (beyond the first 16, which are locked in and already being paid for) will actually go through.

So basically there IS still room to walk away from part of it, not because nothing was signed, but because a signed deal is under active review.

 

[Altair]

Didn't Canada actually sign a full binding $19B contract for all 88 F-35s back in January 2023?

No. Canada signed a framework, but didn't make orders. Canada is buying the F35 in batches, and if Canada decided tomorrow to buy no more there would be no cancelation penalties.

With Carney ordering a review of that signed deal in 2025, and the government hasn't confirmed whether the remaining 72 jets (beyond the first 16, which are locked in and already being paid for) will actually go through.

Because we never ordered the full 88. We introduced a framework to buy the full 88, but we have currently only ordered 30.

So basically there IS still room to walk away from part of it, not because nothing was signed, but because a signed deal is under active review.

How this relates to the bridge, we have a framework, in principle. We haven't ordered anything. There are still negotiations to be had about how to manage any revenue sharing, but until that happens, the original deal is how the bridge is being operated.

Caveat, I'm not saying this is a win for Carney, or Canada. It puts us behind the 8 ball, but as we don't know how it ends up, again, dunking on Carney is premature.

It may yet end horribly for us. Or Carney drags this out beyond the mid terms and strikes a better deal while Trump is distracted by domestic issues.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Essentially anyone who isn't a career MP will always be smarter and more successful than Poilievre.

If you say so.

 

[Altair]

Canadian businesses anxious about U.S. relations, but few plan to expand or relocate there, survey finds

Ten per cent of Canadian manufacturing firms plan to delay major investments over the next 12 months in response to U.S. tariffs

www.theglobeandmail.com

Economic data and surveys show that trade uncertainty has weighed on hiring and investment plans.
Nearly 10 per cent of businesses across the natural-resource sectors – including oil and gas, mining, forestry and agriculture – also plan to delay major investments, according to the chamber’s analysis of Statscan survey data.
Business sentiment has been deteriorating for eight consecutive quarters, dating back to the third quarter of 2024, the survey found.

Even so, very few companies plan to move their operations to the States. Over all, less than 1 per cent of businesses plan to establish U.S. operations, while just 0.4 per cent plan to acquire or partner with a U.S. business.
“Tariffs appear to be delaying Canadian investment more often than it is encouraging relocation to the United States,” the chamber’s report said.

Seems like Canadian business are largely standing pat as opposed to running off to the USA to escape tariffs.