Halifax Tar
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Didn't we try this with Stellantis ?
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Didn't we try this with Stellantis ?
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As I've said before I suspect that the Minister will either be ghosted or politely told to go pound sand .
Stelco's new owners have already made it clear what side they chosen in the tariff disputes with the US.
Stelco's new owners have already made it clear what side they chosen in the tariff disputes with the US.
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Because we need an Ocean Lady (Mermaid in Chief?) operating at the highest levels … 
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MilEME09
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Quebec already does advanced consent so probably copying their model
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Our own Canadian Amber Heard (as Princess Mera, not the bed messing version)Because we need an Ocean Lady (Mermaid in Chief?) operating at the highest levels …
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[CBC]Don't support Trump tariffs then blame Stelco job cuts on 'act of God,' minister Joly warns Cleveland-Cliffs
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daftandbarmy
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GDP per capita tends to be a garbage measure for abstracts like ‘living standards’, as it fails to capture actual income of individuals or families or the distribution thereof. GDP is a measure of macroeconomic activity, but it doesn’t tell you what actual human people are bringing home, and what they can afford to spend it on. It also fails to capture any measure of income inequality. It’s prone to significant skewing in the distribution of who actually has what.
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The Fraser Institute burying the lede. How shocking.
I can also cherry pick something that tells a very different story with something HDI at the sub-national level in North America.
GDP/capita is also a shit measure of societal well-being. If country of 10 people has nine people making 50,000 a year and one making 500,000 then the GDP per capita of 95,000 isnt very useful and that phenomenon is responsible for a large part of that GDP gap sub-nationally.
That said, Im all in on recognizing we need to improve our national productivity and output.
I can also cherry pick something that tells a very different story with something HDI at the sub-national level in North America.
GDP/capita is also a shit measure of societal well-being. If country of 10 people has nine people making 50,000 a year and one making 500,000 then the GDP per capita of 95,000 isnt very useful and that phenomenon is responsible for a large part of that GDP gap sub-nationally.
That said, Im all in on recognizing we need to improve our national productivity and output.
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Which is the first consistently 'Red state' in terms of Presidential and Senate/Congress on this list? Is it Minnesota, flips back and forth? Pretty certain that the bottom 10 are consistently labelled as 'Red' states.
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Exactly why its crap for AB to because we have the largest gap between income groups in the country. Top 20% make more then the rest of AB combined which will heavily skew the per capita
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Sooo some here totally missed the point, again.
With competent leadership in federal government, all those provinces should be well above most or all states.
And the reality is very much there for what this graph places most of our provinces. Food, housing, employment, ability to have children, etc are in a very poor state for most of Canada.
Believe whatever you want.
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At me next time lol
Do tell what you mean by that? How should Canadian provinces have a higher GDP per capita than US states? Whats your plan, legit critique, gut feeling?
What does this mean? How does cost of living play into this when the worst CoL crises in North America are in the states that hold the number 1 and 4 slots respectively? Perhaps youre on board with my point that GDP per capita is of minimal utility?
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What specific measures would the Feds have to take, right now, to to have a lasting effect within 12 months?
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Minnesota is usually blue. The last time they voted for a Republican for President was in 1972 for Nixon. It was the only state to go for Mondale in 1984. Their last Republican senator was elected in 2002.
Wyoming has been a safe Republican state for quite a while, I believe.
No, we aren’t missing the point. The claim made relied on data that was presented deceptively and that does not measure what the claim suggests it measures. Some of us get that, you fell for it.
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Interestingly enough the Feds have taken a few initial steps that would help achieve this; Fast track major projects, and eliminate internal trade barriers, for example. However, saying it and doing it are different... none of those have actually happened yet... but maybe when they do we'll see something. This of course assumes there are no long drawn out legal pushbacks.
The Fed could do more, such as aggressive business tax breaks (including cutting that industrial carbon tax) to drive investment.
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First, its about moving the needle in the right direction. And that takes years. The sooner the better.
Understanding Canadian Sovereignty needs economic strength. And we as a nation, need to stop the money printing. Every time money is printed, its value decreases, period. The more the PRIVATE SECTOR and individual people spend cash here in Canada as well as foreign entities spending money in Canada, its strengthens out dollar.
Number one, my opinion, but everything I hear, we need a deal and its not going to be pretty, period. Take what we can get, leverage the hell out of our natural resources (its gonna be years before those pipelines are going to the west coast), and the minerals as well. Get more deals worked out with EU, India, Middle East, even China (without dependency on them) but that $400 billion a year with America is not going to replaced anytime soon. Expand our markets, sure, repair what we can with America. Not a choice. All the ranting and chanting not going to help either.
Number two, reduce the taxes, fees, etc to the absolute minimum.
Number Three, hand in hand with number two, HALT ALL foreign spending with the exception of the Ukraine. There is still a ton of nonsensical spending go out the door. As an example Millions being spent on Palestine announced two weeks ago? F no. We are way beyond done with that shit.
Number Four, HALT any and all climate related BS spending. Enough. The carbon capture BS is a waste of money.
Number Five. Repeal the old bills from Trudeau era on tanker bans (recently saw a east coast podcaster commenting on how there is NO tanker bans in the Maritimes, funny?). As well repeal Bill C69 and there are few other Trudeau-Guibeault bills, just get rid of them already. Carney lost the fake Greenies vote already and they are no longer pretending to be "climate anything". So any and all oil extraction, should be done as economically as possible, encouraging as much private sector money and less government money. Right now, these projects have a whole lotta tax money tied up in them.
The world needs our Oil and gas, make it as painless as possible. Carbon capture is dangerous and unreliable technology as it is, and can have grave and dire consequences if captured CO2 leaks at a later date.
Number Six. Drop immigration to the bare bones levels and focus ONLY on bringing in people we truly need, in the skills we need. We are NOT short of Coffee servers and walmart chashiers FFS. TFW should be restricted to the ag sector, as they have always use them for the last 70 some odd years. Not all immigration is contributing to the GDP, some are drawing on our health, legal, welfare and other financial resources. Also, make new laws to deport faster and easier temp residents who commit crimes, stop wasting our legal resources (and money) on these losers, who frankly need the boot.
Having too many jobs and not enough home grown Canadians to fill them, has the potential to drive up wages (competing)
Number Seven. On diversifying, Canada really should try to fight for more customers outside the USA for softwood and lumber period. And tie this into a better fire prevention strategy. Normally, I would say yankee bucks are good coming our way but right now, they simply don't want out lumber. I am sure we can find some customers somewhere, hopefully around the pacific who need wood.
Number Eight. Federal funding for Municipal home building (yeah they chip in) now comes from TWO freaking federal government agencies (which is F-ing nonsense). Housing starts are STILL very low. Pierre's plan on this last election would still be valid. Carrot and whip, Reward municipalities for early completion of homes and penalize for late/incompletes.
Number Nine. STOP allowing Chinese steel to be brought in, unless we have used every last bit of Canadian steel and they simply can not meet the demand. Losing jobs is contributing to the shitshow going on.
Number Ten. Ontario's Ring of Fire? Come on, Doug and Uncle Mark, you both talked about this in your last election campaigns.
Number Eleven. Tap into every other resource economically possible. Strongly encourage Quebec to drop Bill 21 and explore and extract its oil and gas. Oil and gas is power in this world, period. BC has natural gas in the Montney and Horn basins, are we maxing out potential there too?
Are Saskatchewan, Manitoba, New Brunswick and Newfoundland also maxing out there Oil and gas extraction?
On the resources note, are we maxing out on these?
BC-Coal, Copper, Gold and Silver mining
Sask-Potash and lots of 'er. Without embrassing Trump and discretely, Carney should use this as a carrot with Trump. Trump needs it and from us.
Ont-Gold, nickel, copper, platinum elements and cobalt mining
Quebec-Iron ore, gold, lithium, titanium and nickel mining
Nfld-Iron ore and nickel
Yuk, NWT and Nun-diamonds, gold, silver, zinc, lead and tungsten
Notice We have gold here, there and everywhere? What if Canada extracted some of that gold, had a bunch processed and held in reserve like we used to? If I am not mistaken, our dollar stands stronger of there is Gold backing it up.
Number Twelve . Relates to 11. I was surprised by Liz May a few days ago in parliament talking about "value adding" on our fossil and wood products. Normally I would expect here to drunkenly screech about oil being all bad and cutting down trees is murder. But she talked about, processing all these natural resources as much as we can before export (increase dollar value), so lets encourage to process, mill and refine as much as we can. If possible, food products too.
Number Thirteen. Not 100% on this, but are AI centers in the northern areas worth it? Naturally cold. I don't know enough on this.
I would encourage Feds and Canad to stop wasting money on these drains
-Wind Mills and Large scale solar (I like small scale solar to boost buildings and equipment like my fence chargers)
-EVs (enough)
-Careful of any future automotive bale outs or help. I listened to an economist (forgot his name from UoT I seem to recall) and he stated out automotive building has been on near life support for a long time. Sucks because I have friends who lost out on the plant in Brampton.
-Encourage western farmers to diversify away from canola and get into cereals, peas, beans and sunflower more. China every now and then holds us hostage with our Canola. Take the power away from them.
Thats just a small start. Most of this I have said before, over and over.
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