2003 List of Nations Operating Submarines

[Ex-Dragoon]

http://users.otenet.gr/~kostast/subs_country.htm

Although from 2003 someone took the time to make up a list on who has what. I hope this gives the naysayers who believe we don't need a sub force in the navy pause. I have my doubts.

 

[aesop081]

This is an interesting list...which, i agree with you there, proves our point.   Interesting to note that as AIP systems develop more...SSKs will be as much of a threat as SSNs.   I can even see the day where you will see SLBM-carrying SSKs...

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

This is an interesting list...which, i agree with you there, proves our point.   Interesting to note that as AIP systems develop more...SSKs will be as much of a threat as SSNs.   I can even see the day where you will see SLBM-carrying SSKs...

Or worse in your case....SAMs being a fitted piece of weaponry to take out those pesky MPAs or MHs.

 

[Cloud Cover]

  I can even see the day where you will see SLBM-carrying SSKs...

I agree. Intra theatre with single entry vehicle. I just can't see an SSK being a suitable platform for a decent battery of larger MIRV missiles.

 

[aesop081]

I'm actualy surprised that Ivan hasnt publicly fitted such systems to akulas and victor 3s.....after all if the can have SSGNs fire cruise and anti-ship missles from a submerged position, they certainly can hav SAM that fire from underwater.  Tha would then increase the range at which subs must be detected ( greater MEZ around a suspected contact).  It would add another dimension to ASW.

Wiskey :

It would be a regional power's alternative to the expensive SSBN or SSGNs. I agree with you about the MIRV, SSKs tend to be too small for this but if think of shorter, MRBM/IRBM ranges with sinle warhead, its not that far off a concept IMHO

SNOOP TRAY anyone ?

 

[Slim]

Yet according the military genius Peter Worthington we don't need any subs...After all no one would EVER attack any Canadians, right?

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

I thought a few years ago that the Akulas were believed to carry Strelas and the Typhoons were rumoured to carry Gremlins or is my memory faulty again?

 

[Cloud Cover]

From an EW perspective, how would they acquire the target without Snoop Tray on the go?

 

[aesop081]

I thought a few years ago that the Akulas were believed to carry Strelas and the Typhoons were rumoured to carry Gremlins or is my memory faulty again?

Guess what i am wasting my friday night studying !!

Wiskey601:

Snoop tray and snoop pair, as i'm sure you know, are surface search radars. Uterly useless for launching SLBMs.  But i'm sure that i'm saying this to someone with more time in EW than i.

 

[Cloud Cover]

My BAD.. I was talking about the SAM.  IIRC, Snoop tray originally had the range to guide the world's first long range cruise missile from parts of the ocean [say like W601 on the west coast ] right into downtown Bangor Washington.


edit: then again neither the Gremlin or the Strelas use the Snoop tray.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Guess what i am wasting my friday night studying !!

Wiskey601:

Snoop tray and snoop pair, as i'm sure you know, are surface search radars. Uterly useless for launching SLBMs.  But i'm sure that i'm saying this to someone with more time in EW than i.

I did most of my studying at the Tudor House, and I wasn't studying missiles ...

 

[aesop081]

;D

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

I did most of my studying at the Tudor House, and I wasn't studying missiles ...

I should think not

 

[Blue Max]

Apparently the Columbian drug cartels are building submarines as well:

http://www.atsnn.com/story/129558.html

http://www.ineoa.org/dmarshall1.htm
Take for example the half-built submarine seized by the Columbian National Police last month in a warehouse outside Bogota. Not much in this business surprises me anymore, but this was something special. The submarine had a double hull with a displacement of 150 tons. A submarine of this sophistication might be found in the worlds leading navies. It could have remained submerged  for two weeks and smuggled ten metric tons of illicit drugs with a cruising range of 3,000 nautical miles. Although we do not expect submarines to become a common drug smuggling tool, this impressive vessel shows the kind of technology that millions of illicit dollars can buy.

Good thing we have a Navy and Coast Guard that can patrol our coastline and catch... oooh, yah, I forgot thats the Americans, we really can't do this stuff unless we are lucky.  :blotto:

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Good thing we have a Navy and Coast Guard that can patrol our coastline and catch... oooh, yah, I forgot thats the Americans, we really can't do this stuff unless we are lucky

You really don't have a clue do you?  :

 

[aesop081]

You really don't have a clue do you?   :

;D 

 

[Bill22108131]

A tad sarcastic, but warranted I believe.  "Blue Max", Canada still has some of the best trained ASW forces in the world.  On international exercises, we still are able to use our skill and experience to overcome equipment woes.  Our frigates working with the Sea King and Aurora can easily sanitize large areas of ocean.  Our problem lies in the length of time we can do it and the inability to do little else if we commit to an Op of one of our three coasts.  A big part of ASW is luck, but training and being in the right place ensures you are ready for the right moment.  I have seen other countries ASW assets up close, and we still can stand proud and hold our own.

Bill

 

[Sub_Guy]

True enough, but in real time the sub always has the upper hand.  That is until it launches a torpedo, then its position is given away.  It is pretty easy to locate us when we are telling the world where we are, by making extra noise....

 

[Blue Max]

aesop081 & Dragoon, yes I forgot my tongue in my cheek, mostly.  ;D

Thought I am aware that we have very capable ASW forces and surface surveillance capability, I am also aware that these are finite resources and do not neccessarily cover all area's all the time, especially if our surface forces need to protect an american battle group. 

You guys are doing a good job, I'd just give you more toys to play with more of the time.