2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[QV]

Or... it's a bump from a Liberal leadership campaign that's getting Wall to Wall media coverage. CPCs policies are so popular that leadership candidates are stealing them as platform promises, including folks that were in cabinet and had a chance to do exactly what they are promising for the last 9 years.

The LPC is campaigning on either undoing what they have done for the last 9 years or moving a few chess pieces (carbon tax) that won't change the outcome.

 

[PuckChaser]

Well they got rid of Trudeau and the Carbon tax or rather took it off the chess board.

We haven’t seen that much policy wise until now. Everyone said that they were right to keep their powder dry and not reveal anything until election time. Things have changed and now they have to get it out. Slogans weren’t cutting it anymore.

Carbon tax is still very much in play, Liberals are talking out of both sides of their mouth on the issue.

You must be missing the plethora of policies PP and the CPC have released before proroguing and have since. Lots of 7 minute videos with details, but a lot of partisans just want to believe he's all slogans.

 

[QV]

The LPC will get their money's worth out of CBC, CTV etc. There will be most awesome coverage of the anointed one (Carney) and they will show clips of PP in the most unappealing way. The CBC will be particularly desperate to keep their sugar daddy (LPC) in government to keep their money flowing and it will reflect in the coverage.

 

[Remius]

Carbon tax is still very much in play, Liberals are talking out of both sides of their mouth on the issue.

Might be yes. We’ll see but they have removed it from the discussion.

You must be missing the plethora of policies PP and the CPC have released before proroguing and have since. Lots of 7 minute videos with details, but a lot of partisans just want to believe he's all slogans.

I suspect plenty of people are missing those policies as well. The general impression is that until recently it was nothing but slogans.

Might be why they suddenly want to cosy up to the MSM these last few weeks.

 

[suffolkowner]

Might be yes. We’ll see but they have removed it from the discussion.

I suspect plenty of people are missing those policies as well. The general impression is that until recently it was nothing but slogans.

Might be why they suddenly want to cosy up to the MSM these last few weeks.

i very rarely watch videos. I will read the platform when it comes out

 

[IKnowNothing]

I suspect plenty of people are missing those policies as well. The general impression is that until recently it was nothing but slogans.

When you spend the better part of 3 years playing the same two note song, there's a distinct risk of people starting to tune it and you out. Even if they agree with the song- there's a point where the stop caring to hear it again- and by extension caring what you have to say.

Poilievre needs to recalibrate his messaging and capture people's attention again.

 

[Quirky]

It's pretty bad when canadians start to "tune out" important issues.

You get the government you deserve.

 

[brihard]

When you spend the better part of 3 years playing the same two note song, there's a distinct risk of people starting to tune it and you out. Even if they agree with the song- there's a point where the stop caring to hear it again- and by extension caring what you have to say.

Poilievre needs to recalibrate his messaging and capture people's attention again.

The CPC have been clamouring for a long time for the election they want to fight; instead they’re going to have to fight the election they get, whenever that should be. They spent most of a year building public sentiment against Trudeau and the carbon tax, and accidentally got what they wanted in the former case, and a pledged reversal from LPC on the other. The Canadian consciousness is also now dominated by the economic threat of a trade war waged by the U.S., and that’s where the political fight will be for coming months. It’s bought the LPC as must of an opportunity for a reset of sentiment as they’re going to get; the politics of External Threat is a tried and true thing.

Basically Canada’s situation has changed more in four months than I think any of us would have imagined. It’s a battle now between which party pivots better, and how that aligns with the triggering of an election.

 

[Brad Sallows]

The usual rule of thumb applies: election victory is not guaranteed by simply being not-the-incumbent, especially for conservative parties. There must be policy aims that fit the top 3 to 5 concerns of Canadian voters. (Too many disparate items risks losing too many voters for whom one of the items is a single-issue vote-killer.)

Significant political events produce polling bumps that usually settle a bit with time. The unpopular government leader is going away; get over it and continue shaping a few headline policy aims that distinguish conservatives from the others and show real prospects of meeting Canadians' top 3 concerns.

A "free trade" (trade liberalization) agenda bolder and more permissive than either the NDP or LPC could tolerate might be one. To promise handouts is to fight on NDP/LPC ground, in a battle which they will always out-escalate conservatives; stick to opportunities for people to make their own successes.

 

[IKnowNothing]

The CPC have been clamouring for a long time for the election they want to fight; instead they’re going to have to fight the election they get, whenever that should be. They spent most of a year building public sentiment against Trudeau and the carbon tax, and accidentally got what they wanted in the former case, and a pledged reversal from LPC on the other. The Canadian consciousness is also now dominated by the economic threat of a trade war waged by the U.S., and that’s where the political fight will be for coming months. It’s bought the LPC as must of an opportunity for a reset of sentiment as they’re going to get; the politics of External Threat is a tried and true thing.

Basically Canada’s situation has changed more in four months than I think any of us would have imagined. It’s a battle now between which party pivots better, and how that aligns with the triggering of an election.

Bang on.

Poilievre did a great job opposing JT and the Carbon Tax, and convinced the electorate that JT should not be Prime Minister anymore. But what we're seeing is that (as some of us warned- to much much gnashing of teeth and beating of breasts) is that convincing the electorate that JT shouldn't be PM is not the same thing as convincing everyone that PP should.

For all but his most ardent supporters (aka the majority of undecided voters that he had won over since 2023) the problems he won them over on are now "solved", and they are once again undecided voters.

 

[QV]

For all but his most ardent supporters (aka the majority of undecided voters that he had won over since 2023) the problems he won them over on are now "solved", and they are once again undecided voters.

And that is the trick the LPC are attempting to play. It is a myth however. The carbon tax and policies under Trudeau will live on in Carney. Evidence of this is everywhere Carney has touched. But you have to make a bit of effort to know this. The LPC are relying on a dumbed down electorate that only feeds off of CBC. Normally this is enough to secure them a win.

 

[IKnowNothing]

And that is the trick the LPC are attempting to play. It is a myth however. The carbon tax and policies under Trudeau will live on in Carney. Evidence of this is everywhere Carney has touched. But you have to make a bit of effort to know this. T

If by "make a bit of effort" you mean "swallow the stopgap party line hook line and sinker" sure. Baaaa away.

 

[ArmyRick]

How many times have we all known a lady friend or relative who kept going back to an abusive husband/boyfriend?

Thats what it has felt like for Canada for the last 9 years.

he LPC is campaigning on either undoing what they have done for the last 9 years

BOOM! That right there is the heart of it. Canadians WANT to believe the Liberals will be better this time, but wait for it, when things die down, the dust settles and the Liberals get power drunk, out comes the taxation fist.

Now, how come I only hear the CPC (and for many months now) talking about opening the natural resource sector to grow Canada's economy? The LPC is half heartedly talking about tax reduction but that does not grow the economy. And the "green energy" wish washy dream is nothing but that, a dream. Or a nightmare. Based on piss poor non-scientific ideas half played out.

We need oil and gas, LNG, mineral extraction, lumber (lets reduce fire hazards at same time), expand agriculture (many places in the world can't grow their own food), build nuclear plants, etc. Lets get the economy to first pay for the Liberals damage and then make us wealthy as a nation. Then we can dictate our destiny in the future. Only with a CPC government will that happen.

Anybody still supporting any LPC government going forward is locked into an abusive victim mindset.

 

[ArmyRick]

The best part? I love watching the Liberals keep trying to steal Pierre Poilievre's ideas and half assed implementing them.

And the critics of Pierre are hung up on small nothing details. Like how his slogans play out. Wait until Carney speaks in public. He will put the entire room to sleep or make a complete fool of himself contradicting himself.

 

[IKnowNothing]

The usual rule of thumb applies: election victory is not guaranteed by simply being not-the-incumbent, especially for conservative parties. There must be policy aims that fit the top 3 to 5 concerns of Canadian voters. (Too many disparate items risks losing too many voters for whom one of the items is a single-issue vote-killer.)

Significant political events produce polling bumps that usually settle a bit with time. The unpopular government leader is going away; get over it and continue shaping a few headline policy aims that distinguish conservatives from the others and show real prospects of meeting Canadians' top 3 concerns.

A "free trade" (trade liberalization) agenda bolder and more permissive than either the NDP or LPC could tolerate might be one. To promise handouts is to fight on NDP/LPC ground, in a battle which they will always out-escalate conservatives; stick to opportunities for people to make their own successes.

Well said.

But- Poilievre is a bit of a tight spot on the trade front though. Public sentiment is against the US and in favour of diversifying our export markets. China is/should be out. India is going increasingly isolationist. The EU? Introducing an import carbon tariff on nations that don't have their own pricing scheme.

 

[OldSolduer]

It's pretty bad when canadians start to "tune out" important issues.

You get the government you deserve.

If you noticed they have tuned it out for decades. It's just worse in the last nine years.

It has not been a government - its a "giverment" it just gives and gives til its broke and gives some more.

It gives me a dim view of most LPC members.

I'm going to add : sometimes Conservative governments do this as well.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

And that is the trick the LPC are attempting to play. It is a myth however. The carbon tax and policies under Trudeau will live on in Carney. Evidence of this is everywhere Carney has touched. But you have to make a bit of effort to know this. The LPC are relying on a dumbed down electorate that only feeds off of CBC. Normally this is enough to secure them a win.

Carney already said our carbon tax is too low. He said he'd raise it, quite a bit.(to as high as 150% IIRC) He said he'd punish the bad actors to pay for it.

Sounds good, until........

those same bad actors pass their punishment on to us, which will happen as the course of regular business, same as now.

Voila, we are paying the carbon tax again, at a much higher rate. It just isn't printed on your grocery receipt.

Put tariffs and a falling dollar into that cost and Canadians won't have any money for anything.

Carney, freeland and anyone else, red or orange liberal, is not in the game to help us.

Carney is playing a shell game and being purposely dishonest in his explanation.