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2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

3 majority gvts in a row in Canada’s largest province and taking a strong lead in the recent tariff tiff. He does have some street cred.

He’s working on it for sure. Ford has national recognition and the current US administration has taken note of him. Houston would be capable but has some way to go still I think.

Opportunities might come up though.
Which one speaks passable French?

If neither, odds are stacked against them, even in this day and age. Maybe 20-25yrs into the future, given the trend in immigration, but not right now. It will be a bit like the US electing a Roman Catholic with Kennedy when we elect a Federal leader for one of the two main establishment parties that doesn't speak French.
 
We mustn't forget to blame Conservative voters for voting the wrong leader in as party leader.
Depends on what you mean by "Conservative voters". Because Lewis did basically the same as she did in 2020. Baber did a little better than Sloan in that ideological slot. Charest + Aitchison combined and took the PC share Mackay had. Poilievre signed up 311k members, and got 295k votes.

Was Poilievre chosen by the legacy CPC membership, or did he seize control with an excellent social media game?
 
Liberal voters already won. If Carney does a good job it's thanks to them for voting for him.

If he does a bad job it's the Conservatives fault.

It's brilliant.
That's a bit of a stretch, at least to me.

If Canada's fucked after Carney has a go at the helm, whose fault is it? Easy peasy - Carney, full stop.

If PP doesn't beat Carney to get elected PM to try a different course, whose fault is it? Easy peasy - PP & Co., full stop.

As for the voters, all sides are the same: "Voters are idiots when my fave leader isn't chosen" or "Voters are the voice of the masses in choosing my fave leader." Funny that, eh? ;)
 
The Tories completely botched this by sticking with Verb the Noun Poilievre. The biggest mistake the CPC brass made in this campaign was not turning Poilievre the minute Trudeau resigned and holding a National leadership race just like the Liberals. Poilievre has been the anti-Trudeau and gained prominence by channeling rage. Once the source of the initial rage resigned and he didn't react to the American threats adequately, he stood no chance and had all the air taken out of his sails. Unless there is a Conservative majority, they will not form government, there is simply no chance they can muster the support of Parliament.

Let this be a lesson to the Conservatives (and all parties), sloganeering does not a party make. Let's hope they select someone with some experience and substance...like Erin O'Toole haha.
 
The Tories completely botched this by sticking with Verb the Noun Poilievre. The biggest mistake the CPC brass made in this campaign was not turning Poilievre the minute Trudeau resigned and holding a National leadership race just like the Liberals ...
Just before JT left, they were running hot, which told them that their approach was working - at least at that point. Like the line from the shitty political commercial in the movie "Wag the Dog", "Never change horses in mid-stream ... always stick with a winner" ...

After the Blue numbers started dropping, though? Well, party machine decisions were made (or not), and consequences will be felt (one way or another) by early tomorrow morning.
 
Just before JT left, they were running hot, which told them that their approach was working - at least at that point. Like the line from the shitty political commercial in the movie "Wag the Dog", "Never change horses in mid-stream ... always stick with a winner" ...

After the Blue numbers started dropping, though? Well, party machine decisions were made (or not), and consequences will be felt (one way or another) by early tomorrow morning.
The writing was on the wall like a week or two after JT had resigned. It was a missed opportunity and political miscalculation. Simple as.
It's extremely rare in politics you get a mulligan on a silver platter, "in light recent developments regarding threats to our sovereignty yada yada yada..."
 
The Tories completely botched this by sticking with Verb the Noun Poilievre. The biggest mistake the CPC brass made in this campaign was not turning Poilievre the minute Trudeau resigned and holding a National leadership race just like the Liberals. Poilievre has been the anti-Trudeau and gained prominence by channeling rage. Once the source of the initial rage resigned and he didn't react to the American threats adequately, he stood no chance and had all the air taken out of his sails. Unless there is a Conservative majority, they will not form government, there is simply no chance they can muster the support of Parliament.

Let this be a lesson to the Conservatives (and all parties), sloganeering does not a party make. Let's hope they select someone with some experience and substance...like Erin O'Toole haha.
Not sure agree with all of that.

PP did what he does and waited.

When the tariff threat started to rear its ugly head and he was asked what he would as PM what was his answer? “I’m not the PM”. And then proceeded to not do anything to enable team Canada.

Doug Ford stepped up to do the things that PP could have done. Everyone except him looked like they were doing something.

There were so many leadership opportunities thrown his way over and over again and he never took them. They didnt need a leadership contest, they just needed a leader.
 
... When the tariff threat started to rear its ugly head and he was asked what he would as PM what was his answer? “I’m not the PM” ...
And that wasn't the only time (with supporters backing him) he said, essentially, his job was to oppose. But at least he didn't give away any platform planks, but there was a price to pay.
... Doug Ford stepped up to do the things that PP could have done. Everyone except him looked like they were doing something ...
And still critics are out there saying "he's not a REAL Conservative, is he?" Back to the "what IS a Conservative these days?" question.
He should have said elbows up more.
And what do you think PP should have done to win at that point?
 
3 majority gvts in a row in Canada’s largest province and taking a strong lead in the recent tariff tiff. He does have some street cred.
Built on who he ran against. His over-antagonistic approach to tariffs - including the stupidity of eliminating peoples' access to Starlink - makes him no better than any other knee-jerk conservative.
 
Built on who he ran against. His over-antagonistic approach to tariffs - including the stupidity of eliminating peoples' access to Starlink - makes him no better than any other knee-jerk conservative.
So he can count on your vote if he ever runs?
 
Fantastic question right there, especially in the times we're in.

In the recent past, Mulroney and Harper would have said, "sure" - with Harper keeping a wider range of Conservatives inside the tent.
So who is the problem? The past 5 decades or so of elections in Canada and the US indicate that conservatives further to the right of the "moderate-slightly-right-of-centre" crowd consistently support the team regardless whether the leader they prefer is running the show. I have seen evidence - from their own mouths and pens - that some moderates will sniff and walk away. It isn't really ever a "big tent" if a sub-faction walks in and out of it depending on whether the leader is one of their own.
 
And what do you think PP should have done to win at that point?
Many aren't going to agree with my views here.

Canadians seem willing to forgive and forget the Liberaty Party behavior over the last 10 years. The party kept 45% of their promises across 10 years yet Canadians are going gaga over even more election promises, even bigger decicits, and a clear intent not to utilize our resources.

Poilievre shouldn't have had to do anything to win based solely on the LPC's behavior.
Dis you watch the 15 minute video FBJ posted about the Liberals?
 
Many aren't going to agree with my views here.

Canadians seem willing to forgive and forget the Liberaty Party behavior over the last 10 years. The party kept 45% of their promises across 10 years yet Canadians are going gaga over even more election promises, even bigger decicits, and a clear intent not to utilize our resources.

Poilievre shouldn't have had to do anything to win based solely on the LPC's behavior.
Dis you watch the 15 minute video FBJ posted about the Liberals?
To oversimplify, that's a lot of words for "it'll never be PP's fault."
 
So he can count on your vote if he ever runs?
Yes. I criticize Conservatives - as I have criticized Conservatives here for their needless immature name-calling and picking unnecessary battles - and then I walk into a polling station and vote Conservative. An imperfect Conservative government more closely matches the prosperity (abundance) agenda I favour than any Liberal or further left one. The only faction I'm a traitor to is Boomers, who apparently are sticking with Liberals this time around in order to protect their lifetime of wealth consolidation.
 
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