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2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

Remius said:
You misread. Those things are exciting. Them promising them is not.

Who wants to go on a helicopter ride?
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Hey where are those Mando jet packs and plasma guns?

Shocked Wait What GIF by Disney+
 
MilEME09 said:
2011 - "Here for Canada" platform
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Thanks. Conservatives wanted the F35 and the Liberals promised NOT to buy the F35. The Liberals made big election fanfare out of it if you recall. Then when elected, the Liberals changed their mind (going back on their promise) and committed to the F35. And now we're not committed on the F35s again.

I see expanding the Nahanni National Park as a CPC promise? It looks like it was expanded in 2009 under the Conservatives. As you recall above, Trudeau promised 6 new parks and delivered 0. Now Carney is promising 15? Yeah sure. Maybe he can fill them with the 2 billion trees Trudeau promised to plant. But if they can't deliver on creating a park what's the chances they're going to fix the CAF and government procurement process?

Long story short if were using history as a way to measure party credibility when it comes to implementing their plans (aka promises), it looks like Harper delivered on 77% of his campaign promises where Trudeau delivered 45%. If we're comparing successful plans over the last 20 years the Conservatives win.
 
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Jarnhamar said:
Thanks. Conservatives wanted the F35 and the Liberals promised NOT to buy the F35. The Liberals made big election fanfare out of it if you recall. Then when elected, the Liberals changed their mind (going back on their promise) and committed to the F35. And now we're not committed on the F35s again.

I see expanding the Nahanni National Park as a CPC promise? It looks like it was expanded in 2009 under the Conservatives. As you recall above, Trudeau promised 6 new parks and delivered 0. Now Carney is promising 15? Yeah sure. Maybe he can fill them with the 2 billion trees Trudeau promised to plant. But if they can't deliver on creating a park what's the chances they're going to fix the CAF and government procurement process?

Long story short if were using history as a way to measure party credibility when it comes to implementing their plans (aka promises), it looks like Harper delivered on 77% of his campaign promises where Trudeau delivered 45%. If we're comparing successful plans over the last 20 years the Conservatives win.
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I wonder if his new parks just happen to encompass gas, oil and minerals. Then he'll put a moritorium on any exploration within national parks. Carney isn't designating national parks because he likes camping or nature.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Trying to pin Carney as a significant advisor is a dead end. There are always people right in the PMO who have orders of magnitude of greater influence.

What's absurd is that we still have a system of government in which the convention for selecting a PM hasn't been replaced by hard constitutional rules (eg. must be a sitting elected MP chosen by MPs, or must be directly elected). The powers of the PM to run the show, irrespective of whose chirping he listens to, are too vast. If chatterers are going to continue braying about the importance of democratic institutions, the office of the PM (and everything else about the structure and system that exists by mere "convention") must be overhauled.

The guy who just effectively called a federal election and is "negotiating" in this time of supposed great crisis wasn't even chosen by electors of a riding. That's quite f*cked up.
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They missed an opportunity - probably accidentally on purpose - to better codify our parliamentary process when they patriated the Constitution. Westminsterian parliaments have historically been largely self-governing, operated on convention and 'house rules' as our form of checks and balances outside of the reserve powers of the Crown. This is all fine until they stopped effectively self-policing themselves. I'm not a student of parliaments around the world, but I get the sense that power has been amassed in our PMO to a much greater extent that in the UK and Australia. Their prime ministers seem to be much more beholden to their caucus; ours has been reduced to little more than a cheering section.

For all they may gripe about it, no party that has come to power seems to have made any effort to change it.
Eaglelord17 said:
They generally aren’t the PMs powers.

Our Senate, GG and the Crown give up their powers to the PM, they could stop any PM in their tracks if they so wanted to. Our issue isn’t necessarily our PM having to much power, it’s the other checks and balances refusing to act as such.
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Kinda sounds familiar with what is happening down south. Even considering that their system has a more codified division of power, if the players don't want to get into the game, I'm not sure any written set of rules can make them.

I'm not sure the Senate had much authority over the PM, nor should it given that it is appointed. The Crown has limited power to act, either proactively or responsively, unless we want to go back a few centuries when it could over-ride Parliament. The fault lies in Parliament itself. It needs to collectively grow a pair and wrest power back from the PMO, particularly the unelected staffers and 'political officers'.
 
Chop. Chop. Buzzzz. Buzzzz. Buzzzz (chainsaw noises). Click click (Chainsaw not starting, again. Fuck. ANother Youtube video to explain how to fix it again), in the mean time, its me with my beloved 3.5 feet bow saw manually cutting wood.

Takes a break. Here to say I still think Pierre and the CPC will win. Not sure if its going to be a minority or majority. Lets see if I still feel like this after the debates. Tootles for now.

(Back to cutting trees and branches)
 
The Bread Guy said:
To be fair, the Team Blue Policy Declaration (here's what the membership at the policy convention want) does say that ....
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... but even the Blue coach has said he doesn't have to follow the book that came from the membership (news link also archived here).

A watch out for? Yup. A "currently planning to change"? We'll have to see - they have to win, and if they do, they have to make this a priority with everything else on their plate.
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Yes, and for CAF members that would mean a signficant pension cut as they are also dropping contributions in their plan.

That's always been touted as a large part of our renumeration scheme (and it is), but there is really nothing stopping the government from doing this and applying from a cut off date (exactly like happened with the last change where it was bumped to 25 years), which would absolutely screw a lot of people. I'm sure it wouldn't be offset with a pay increase equivalent to those contributions, so again, we would get foxed.
 
lenaitch said:
I'm not sure the Senate had much authority over the PM, nor should it given that it is appointed. The Crown has limited power to act, either proactively or responsively, unless we want to go back a few centuries when it could over-ride Parliament. The fault lies in Parliament itself. It needs to collectively grow a pair and wrest power back from the PMO, particularly the unelected staffers and 'political officers'.
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Elect the Senate, which eliminates the concern about appointment.

Make the Senate at least co-equal with the House, which eliminates the concern about who has power to "override" either one (they can check each other).

All those adults who I am assured are educated/intelligent/wise/elite/well-intentioned/etc are either incapable or unwilling to conduct business sufficiently responsibly (giving the lie to educated/intelligent...) within status quo conditions, so change is required. We've tried it this way long enough; they've failed. New rules are needed.
 
MilEME09 said:
Claiming Carney stole half of them is a cop out, sound policy is sound policy. Especially when many of the things "stolen" are just things the private sector has been screaming about. I've watching half a dozen of both parties press conferences, The CPC relies on hand picked and filtered questions from only the media it wants, and a limit of 4 questions. LPC has no limit on questions or follow up, and have answered many more in comparison. The Us style dirty politics as you call it, is seen in both camps, but its much more visible by only one leader and his chief of staff. The CPC is also the only party that on the campaign trail has said they will invoke the NWC, which is a interesting position to take on crime.

newsinteractives.cbc.ca

Compare the election promises of Canada’s major parties

<p><span style="background-color:transparent;color:#000000;">Read the policies and promises of the six main parties on the election's pressing issues. These will be updated as parties add to their platforms ahead of the April 28 vote.</span></p>
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If it's sound policy, why not vote for the guy coming up with the idea, rather than the guy resorting to stealing someone else's ideas.
 
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