2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[IKnowNothing]

It might not be right and it might be nowhere in the Conservative party platform, but people may believe those ghosts still exist, and are open to be convinced that they do.

Nail meet hammer. Bang on.

Peter MacKay nailed it with the albatross comment. The CPC rejected him for it, on the strength of the SoCon wing. Then they rejected O'Toole for turning out to be too much like him, on the strength of the Maple Maga AND SoCon wings.

But it's the electorate's fault for not trusting that those wings are being kept firmly away from the drivers seat?

 

[mariomike]

But it may well be a big part of the reason why the Conservatives are polling poorly with females in the 20-30 year old range.

Others can man-splain that cohort.

But, readers may, or may not, find a woman's point of view of interest,

April 2, 2025,

How Trump’s presidency & the loss of abortion rights in the US impacts Canada​

How Trump's presidency & the loss of abortion rights in the US impacts Canada

Abortion rights are protected in Canada under the Canada Health Act, but that doesn't mean access to abortion is guaranteed.

rabble.ca

As for the question,

Would you consider, or not consider, voting for the following political parties?

Abacus Data posted this yesterday,

April 10, 2025

For women, there is a greater preference towards the Liberals. Among women the Liberals have a bigger accessible voter pool overall, but also a larger cohort who say they would vote for the Liberals, but not for the Conservatives.

 

[MilEME09]

I don't know about you guys but we didn't lose over 118,000 KIA to hand this nation over to the CCP or whatever foreign nation wants us.

To those that cozy up to China - and that means the CCP as well, in my mind they are traitors and are committing treason.

Or India, or anyone else for that matter

 

[Jarnhamar]

All this abortion talk here and popping up in news articles.

Are the Conservatives narrowing the gap in the polls or something?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

All this abortion talk here and popping up in news articles.

Are the Conservatives narrowing through gap in the polls?

Apparently they must be in internal polling, if abortion talk is suddenly out in the open.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Meanwhile, the Conservatives have scientists worried...

In Canadian election, top Conservative candidate vows to end ‘woke ideology’ in science funding​

Pierre Poilievre, leader of Canada’s Conservative Party, has pledged to “end the imposition of woke ideology in the allocation of federal funds for university research” should his party win the Canadian federal election on 28 April.

The vow—which echoes rhetoric used by U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration to justify canceling research grants and shutting down government programs—has alarmed many researchers. “I think this is the first time a politician in Canada has crossed that line to officially say they want to interfere to control research topics,” says Madeleine Pastinelli, president of the university professors’ union in the province of Quebec. “It could be a very terrible time for us.”

https://www.science.org/content/article/canadian-election-top-conservative-candidate-vows-end-woke-ideology-science-funding

 

[Brad Sallows]

Meanwhile, the Conservatives have scientists worried...

I suppose it depends on what a person thinks science research should investigate.

Should research examine the properties of nature, or examine the social effects of the properties of nature and the social effects of studying the properties of nature?

 

[daftandbarmy]

I suppose it depends on what a person thinks science research should investigate.

Should research examine the properties of nature, or examine the social effects of the properties of nature and the social effects of studying the properties of nature?

The Harper Conservatives destroyed alot of scientific records under the guise of cost savings, as well as other essentially anti-science actions, according to people I know close to the issue.

I'm assuming there's a lingering suspicion in the science community that the Conservatives have a 'Bible Belt fervor' for creationism etc that is essentially anti-scientific.

 

[IKnowNothing]

The last two pages, a summary:
"How could anyone support big tent party X???? The party includes and is therefore 100% defined by influence group y."
"Stop bringing up influence group B! They don't define big party tent A, ignore them!"

 

[MilEME09]

Meanwhile, the Conservatives have scientists worried...

In Canadian election, top Conservative candidate vows to end ‘woke ideology’ in science funding​

Pierre Poilievre, leader of Canada’s Conservative Party, has pledged to “end the imposition of woke ideology in the allocation of federal funds for university research” should his party win the Canadian federal election on 28 April.

The vow—which echoes rhetoric used by U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration to justify canceling research grants and shutting down government programs—has alarmed many researchers. “I think this is the first time a politician in Canada has crossed that line to officially say they want to interfere to control research topics,” says Madeleine Pastinelli, president of the university professors’ union in the province of Quebec. “It could be a very terrible time for us.”

https://www.science.org/content/article/canadian-election-top-conservative-candidate-vows-end-woke-ideology-science-funding

I mean they muzzled scientists last time, why would this be any different?

 

[Rifleman62]

Lumber: Stressing? What stressing? He took an unscripted and pointed question from a reporter and answered it calmly and clearly, and with a bit of sass to boot.

Your take. Still a BIG absolute lie but to you well spoken. Look at the photos.

TICKED OFF Mark Carney LIES To Reporter's Face - Then CALLED OUT By Senior Reporter With PICTURES!​

 

[YZT580]

Meanwhile, the Conservatives have scientists worried...

In Canadian election, top Conservative candidate vows to end ‘woke ideology’ in science funding​

Pierre Poilievre, leader of Canada’s Conservative Party, has pledged to “end the imposition of woke ideology in the allocation of federal funds for university research” should his party win the Canadian federal election on 28 April.

The vow—which echoes rhetoric used by U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration to justify canceling research grants and shutting down government programs—has alarmed many researchers. “I think this is the first time a politician in Canada has crossed that line to officially say they want to interfere to control research topics,” says Madeleine Pastinelli, president of the university professors’ union in the province of Quebec. “It could be a very terrible time for us.”

https://www.science.org/content/article/canadian-election-top-conservative-candidate-vows-end-woke-ideology-science-funding

this is good. Science should never be dependent upon any ideology. If it is, it is corrupted to begin with and its output is suspect.

 

[suffolkowner]

The last two pages, a summary:
"How could anyone support big tent party X???? The party includes and is therefore 100% defined by influence group y."
"Stop bringing up influence group B! They don't define big party tent A, ignore them!"

I think it's a lot deeper than that.
It's ok to make those determinations for the liberals but not the conservatives here

 

[Eaglelord17]

Again, "Canadian conservatives are like American Democrats" is a decades-old thing that "everyone just knows" that isn't really so. Progressives move left faster than conservatives, by definition. Obviously at some point in time it becomes true that the median Canadian conservative is closer to the median US conservative than to the median US progressive no matter what starting point you choose to situate your estimate or your old wives' tale.

I wouldn’t say the exact definitions apply to any political party. The Canadian Liberals for example are not very liberal by definition.

Policy wise the CPC basically line for line matches up with the American Democrats. Are there fringe elements in both parties which don’t line up? Yes. But that doesn’t mean their main platforms don’t line up.

Abortion? The Democrats line up with the CPC.
Gun control? Again both would line up pretty consistently (if anything the Democrats would love to have the CPC stance).
Economic? Very similar.
Global outlook? Very similar.
Militarily? The Democrats are much more serious about that than the CPC is.

What part do you think doesn’t line up fairly consistently?

Also I wouldn’t really consider the Democrats particularly progressive. Their ‘progressive’ policies are for the most part standard in Canada and Europe.

 

[Lumber]

Your take. Still a BIG absolute lie but to you well spoken. Look at the photos.

TICKED OFF Mark Carney LIES To Reporter's Face - Then CALLED OUT By Senior Reporter With PICTURES!​

The picture is of him meeting with members of the JCCC at a liberal campaign event. It's entirely possible that he did not in fact know the organization that they represented when he met with them; there was certainly a lot of hand-shaking and picture taking at the event. It's also entirely possible that the description of their "in depth discussion" (as reported on the organizations website) was just Carney shaking hands and re-iterating his position to them (if you listen/read what they say about the "discussion", it just a re-hash of his position on building international relationships and developing new markets), and I could definitely believe they would exaggerate the scope of their encounter with him on the organizations website.

 

[MilEME09]

The picture is of him meeting with members of the JCCC at a liberal campaign event. It's entirely possible that he did not in fact know the organization that they represented when he met with them; there was certainly a lot of hand-shaking and picture taking at the event. It's also entirely possible that the description of their "in depth discussion" (as reported on the organizations website) was just Carney shaking hands and re-iterating his position to them (if you listen/read what they say about the "discussion", it just a re-hash of his position on building international relationships and developing new markets), and I could definitely believe they would exaggerate the scope of their encounter with him on the organizations website.

kinda like pictures of Pierre meeting White supremacists, etc

 

[Lumber]

The LPC might not be communist, but how many communists are LPC?

When did you stop beating your wife? When did you stop being a racist? When did you stop being an antisemite?

See how dumb that is?

It's not dumb. No one who really listens to politics in this country believes the CPC is going to ban abortion, but if any party is going to have members who will try, it's going to the CPC. Ergo, the "possibility" of an abortion ban under the LPC (or NDP) is effectively 0, while the "possibility" of an abortion ban under the CPC is relatively MUCH greater (though still statistically insignificant). So, for people who only pay attention to the surface layer of politics, they see one party as having the potential to bring forth anti-abortion laws, and that's enough to send them running scared.

 

[Good2Golf]

kinda like pictures of Pierre meeting White supremacists, etc

Or Carney meeting Xi in Beijing…

 

[HavokFour]

Or Carney meeting Xi in Beijing…
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We could have an entirely new thread of pictures.

 

[Lumber]

American Democrats loot, burn, riot, scream at the sky, wear pink pussy hats and other equally ridiculous items. They hold mass protests when others are working for a living. Many are socialists and far left wing. Some are just downright racist. They will jail you for your abortion stance if you don’t follow their dogma. DEI, sex change operations on children, trans story time and drag shows for junior grades are their forte. They surveille church goers and school meetings for people exercising their rights.

I see zero comparison to Canadian Conservatives.

I do see lots of similarities with Canadian liberals though.

See, this is why Canadians equate the CPC with Trump and the GOP. They here/see people like you spewing the same Republican vitriol as this, see that you are a CPC supporter, and say "are these the kind of people we want running our Country?".