2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[Jarnhamar]

Someone in PPs riding stole 300+ LPC lawn signs…

You're thinking probably the same crew planting those buttons? Me too.

 

[Remius]

You're thinking probably the same crew planting those buttons? Me too.

Nice try.

Not the first time CPC dirty tricks is have emanated from that particular riding. robocalls, election rule violations etc.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Nice try.

Not the first time CPC dirty tricks is have emanated from that particular riding. robocalls, election rule violations etc.

I didn't find any references to robocalls from that riding. I'm reading only one guy was charged and they originated from Guelph Ontario.

 

[Remius]

I didn't find any references to robocalls from that riding. I'm reading only one guy was charged and they originated from Guelph Ontario.

Yeah, you’re right. Probably him responsible for it all. Let me know what you find out when you do.

 

[Stoker]

To be fair, the Team Blue Policy Declaration (here's what the membership at the policy convention want) does say that ....
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... but even the Blue coach has said he doesn't have to follow the book that came from the membership (news link also archived here).

A watch out for? Yup. A "currently planning to change"? We'll have to see - they have to win, and if they do, they have to make this a priority with everything else on their plate.

You can be sure they won't ram it through with a OIC, if they did try and enact it, it would have to go through the proper process at least.

 

[MilEME09]

Nice try.

Not the first time CPC dirty tricks is have emanated from that particular riding. robocalls, election rule violations etc.

Reminder PP is the only MP with a compliance agreement with elections Canada

 

[The Bread Guy]

Reminder PP is the only MP with a compliance agreement with elections Canada

Good memory - this from 2017 …

Commissioner of Canada Elections Enters into Compliance Agreement with Pierre Poilievre

/CNW/ - The Commissioner of Canada Elections has entered into a compliance agreement with Mr. Pierre Poilievre for having circumvented the prohibitions on...

www.newswire.ca

 

[brihard]

You can be sure they won't ram it through with a OIC, if they did try and enact it, it would have to go through the proper process at least.

@dapaterson is our resident pension guru. He should be able to tell us what would be necessary - legislation versus regulation - to change DB to DC.

 

[Good2Golf]

Someone in PPs riding stole 300+ LPC lawn signs…

 

[Furniture]

Someone in PPs riding stole 300+ LPC lawn signs…

There was a story about an Ottawa CPC candidate's signs being taken down and replaced by LPC signs today. So, it seems that people messing with election signs is bi-partisan sport, and always has been. I remember people messing with election signs when I was a teenager in PEI back in the 90s.

 

[daftandbarmy]

There was a story about an Ottawa CPC candidate's signs being taken down and replaced by LPC signs today. So, it seems that people messing with election signs is bi-partisan sport, and always has been. I remember people messing with election signs when I was a teenager in PEI back in the 90s.

Tangentially, I'd like to see some stats on the effectiveness of election signs... my guess is they're not as effective as social media etc.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Tangentially, I'd like to see some stats on the effectiveness of election signs... my guess is they're not as effective as social media etc.

Signs - The Five Man Electrical Band 1971

One study (from 2011) suggests that they have some value. They may not change opinions, but they can increase name familiarity.

Why tech-savvy political candidates still need old-fashioned yard signs

A Vanderbilt political science study offers fairly conclusive evidence that, in low-information races, a candidate’s name recognition alone positively affects voter support.

news.vanderbilt.edu

. . . For the field experiment, the professors investigated name recognition in the context of a real election campaign. This study was conducted two months before the upcoming Metropolitan Nashville election, at a time when the real candidates in the race were just beginning to gear up their campaigns.

Kam and Zechmeister had the fictitious name “Ben Griffin” printed on political yard signs and placed on the lawn of a cooperating homeowner. The home was located on a street near a local elementary school. The researchers had previously determined that about half of all school traffic would pass by the location of the fictitious signs.

Three days after the signs were posted, the nearby school’s Parent Teacher Organization, which was cooperating with the professors, emailed the school’s parents a link to a short internet survey. Parents were asked to complete the survey in order to earn $5 per family for the school.

Survey respondents were asked to select their top three choices for the county’s at-large council seats. The seven options included the five actual incumbent candidates running for office along with two fictitious candidates, one of whom was Ben Griffin.

Kam and Zechmeister found that nearly a quarter of the respondents who had driven by the signs for the fictitious Ben Griffin placed him among their top three choices for the at-large council seats. Meanwhile, only about 14 percent of the respondents in the control group (those who would not have driven by the fictitious candidate signs) placed Griffin among their top three choices. “The 10 percent difference is sizable given the small number of days we carried out the experiment and how unobtrusive the yard signs were,” Zechmeister said.

“Our field experiment confirmed the earlier findings in the lab: in low-information races, name recognition increases candidate support,” Kam said.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Liberals: OMG the Conservatives are acting like Trump! That's bad

Conservatives: fail to act like Trump

Liberals: Well we're just going to do our best to make Conservatives seem more like Trump.

Liberals say staff 'regrettably got carried away' with button stunt​

-relax it's just a joke. It's not a big deal
-it wasn't all our fault
-okay butwhatabout Conservatives?!

 

[CBH99]

Byrne and Poilievre have spent the last three years banging a very consistent messaging drum. That messaging has strongly resonated with a certain group of people. People who donate, show up cheering to the rallies, share the videos with a "damn right!". This is their base.

Their base is not large enough to win the election.

There is another group of people- people with whom the messaging did not resonate, or who even reacted negatively to it. People who were sick of Trudeau, but not actually supportive of Poilievre, who's "support" vanished the second their was a non-PP option that wasn't Trudeau (or Singh)

"Playing to their base" means doubling down on a style/message/overall package that their strong supporters will love, rather than trying to find a way to broaden the tent back out and win the undecideds that have turned their backs on three years of said overall package.


Did you read the Mcleans link?

That's a fairly good explanation. Makes sense.

I'm not sure if I did read the McLeans article or not, I'll scroll within the hour & read it if I didn't. (So many articles & video clips to constantly seek out & absorb with this election...whew! )

 

[CBH99]

There was a story about an Ottawa CPC candidate's signs being taken down and replaced by LPC signs today. So, it seems that people messing with election signs is bi-partisan sport, and always has been. I remember people messing with election signs when I was a teenager in PEI back in the 90s.

I was gonna say...

I've seen a few CPC candidate's have their signs either covered or replaced by LPC candidate signs

I think it's just a matter of some people taking the initiative to show support for their party.

It's happening to both of the big party's signs




(Not around here tho. I can honestly say I haven't seen a single LPC sign on a single strip of grass, and i don't think anybody where I live could even tell you the LPC candidate's name)

 

[Maxman1]

folks wandering around with nazi and white supremecist flags and large markings.

You mean the one guy, who had his own personal photographer, and disappeared after a single day (allegedly because he had the shit kicked out of him)?

 

[CBH99]

Like him or not, Carney is smart, hardworking and about as boring as you would expect from a career banker and economist with a substantial academic background, and if he had closets in his skeleton they would have been unearthed a long time ago. I think he'll keep his campaing jogging along and coast into a majority government due to circumstances no one could predict but massively tilts things in their favour.

It's not really a matter of liking the guy or not, IMO.

I don't know whether I really like the guy or not, I dont know him personally.

Smart? Yes. He's intelligent enough to have made it pretty far in life, it's hard to argue that.

He's obviously fairly intelligent, and while maybe boring he can actually be quite charming (referencing his appearance on The Daily Show)


I don't know if the question is whether he is smart or not.

I think the question is... are his policies smart? Are they the right policies for the right state of affairs?

Is he smart enough to recognize if certain policies aren't working? Or will he double down on stupidity like Trudeau/Freeland??

(Speaking of Freeland...do we even have a Deputy PM right now?)


In other words...is he the right kind of smart?

......

As for skeletons in his closet...I think it's safe to say we are exposed to very different media

Cuz the guy might as well be a walking Halloween store with the amount of skeletons that keep falling out of his closet...



Falsely claiming to work for Paul Martin?

Not exactly a stellar reference from the folks in England, in particular a certain former PM?

Not exactly a seller reference from a certain mayor in Peru?

Even some of his former WEF colleagues seem to be less than stoked at the prospect of him becoming PM

While nothing is proven & most likely never will be, having any connections at all to Epstein isn't a great look...

If he's been Trudeau's advisor for the last 5 years, can the last 5 years not be counted as a skeleton?


Some of those skeletons are more fair & deserving than others. I'm not trying to argue the merits of any of them.

I'm just trying to point out the guy does have some skeletons in his closets...and come election day those skeletons may very well affect how he does with voters.

(The same can be said for any of candidates tho)

 

[suffolkowner]

It's not really a matter of liking the guy or not, IMO.

I don't know whether I really like the guy or not, I dont know him personally.

Smart? Yes. He's intelligent enough to have made it pretty far in life, it's hard to argue that.

He's obviously fairly intelligent, and while maybe boring he can actually be quite charming (referencing his appearance on The Daily Show)


I don't know if the question is whether he is smart or not.

I think the question is... are his policies smart? Are they the right policies for the right state of affairs?

Is he smart enough to recognize if certain policies aren't working? Or will he double down on stupidity like Trudeau/Freeland??

(Speaking of Freeland...do we even have a Deputy PM right now?)


In other words...is he the right kind of smart?

......

As for skeletons in his closet...I think it's safe to say we are exposed to very different media

Cuz the guy might as well be a walking Halloween store with the amount of skeletons that keep falling out of his closet...



Falsely claiming to work for Paul Martin?

Not exactly a stellar reference from the folks in England, in particular a certain former PM?

Not exactly a seller reference from a certain mayor in Peru?

Even some of his former WEF colleagues seem to be less than stoked at the prospect of him becoming PM

While nothing is proven & most likely never will be, having any connections at all to Epstein isn't a great look...

If he's been Trudeau's advisor for the last 5 years, can the last 5 years not be counted as a skeleton?


Some of those skeletons are more fair & deserving than others. I'm not trying to argue the merits of any of them.

I'm just trying to point out the guy does have some skeletons in his closets...and come election day those skeletons may very well affect how he does with voters.

(The same can be said for any of candidates tho)

i dont think the opinion of the lettuce head is worth much

 

[dapaterson]

@dapaterson is our resident pension guru. He should be able to tell us what would be necessary - legislation versus regulation - to change DB to DC.

The three major pension acts, RCMPSA, PSSA and CFSA, all have benefits defined largely within the text of Acts, and therefore amendments would have to go through Parliament.

Interestingly, the CFSA Part I.1 benefits, for Reserve Force members, are defined through regulations (the Act delegates authority to create the benefits through regulations), so amending that plan would be done through the TB on behalf of the GiC.

However, because the Acts are structured to have both the statutes and enabling regulations, any amendments would require both the legislative actions to amend / repeal and replace the Acts, along with actions to amend / repeal and replace the associated regulations.

TL;DR laws may delegate authorities to others, so you have to read the act to see what level of authority is needed to make the changes you wish to see.

 

[Lumber]

If he's been Trudeau's advisor for the last 5 years, can the last 5 years not be counted as a skeleton?

If I do nothing else over the next 2 weeks it will be to address this argument.

Carney was not "Trudeau's advisor for the last 5 years". In 2020, he was one of many "informal" advisors to Trudeau on Canada's economic response to COVID-19. His next stint "with" the LPC was in 2024 when he joined the Liberal task force on economic growth, which was a Liberal party organization, not a PMO organization. In between (and basically also at the same time) he was keeping himself very busy as the chair, board member, and/or advisor to/with lots of different organizations.

Ergo, Carney was in no way one of Trudeau's advisors with so much input and sway that we can pin the last 5 years on him. He wasn't deciding or implementing policy. The policies of the last 5 years are that of Trudeau, his PMO, and his cabinet.