No, I didn’t miss your point. Yes, someone convicted of murder is eligible for parole at 25 years. And some who commit one murder do eventually get it. Poilievre, though, is taking about multiple murderers getting parole as if that’s actually a thing, but they’re not. He couldn’t name any. It makes his campaign plank a dishonest appeal to emotion that counts on voters not knowing any better.
2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25
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Jarnhamar
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Not many, Freeman MacNeil and Darren Muise are two. One of them was just released last year. Luckily many who might be released end up dying in prison. The option is still there and that's the problem.
Thanks to R.v Bissonnette consecutive life sentencs are considered "cruel and unusual punishment". Life sentences should be for life IMO.
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There's something to be said about forcing families of victims of heinous crimes to parole hearings to keep murderers in jail. It's about the eligibility at all, not the number. This is a real concern for victims and someone who murdered 6 people in cold blood shouldn't be even theoretically eligible for parole, even if that situation isn't likely.
It's also laughable that we can call this a dishonest appeal to emotion after hearing constantly how the CPC will ban abortions, force everyone to Catholic Church once a week, bring in US private health care and fire every public servants in Canada.
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I believe there are varying degrees of almost anything. Such as murders, some are more accident then design. And as such we need the legal ramifications to be flexible enough to recognize accident from intent and apply the corrective measures accordingly on a case per case basis.
Its the end 1/3 the spectrum where the murders are a featured part of the design that I have issue keeping those individuals on this earth. There are individuals that are without iota doubt are evil doers and don't deserve the services of our correctional systems. The easy mark is always Bernardo. Folks like him should be put down.
I understand and recognize others have their opposition to capital punishment and thats ok.
Its the end 1/3 the spectrum where the murders are a featured part of the design that I have issue keeping those individuals on this earth. There are individuals that are without iota doubt are evil doers and don't deserve the services of our correctional systems. The easy mark is always Bernardo. Folks like him should be put down.
I understand and recognize others have their opposition to capital punishment and thats ok.
having someone declared a dangerous offender doesn't seem the way to do it though. Consider Paul Bernardo. Every 5 years the parents of the victims get dragged into a hearing and have to dig up their daughters all over again. Now that is cruel and unusual punishment. There has to be a better way
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I like the idea of a max prison that should be built near Dauphin, MB.
Far enough away from big cities but near enough a population center that could find gainful employment there.
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Canadians: “Vote carefully!”
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Baffin Island has always been my choice. Rotate the staff every 3 months.
Decades ago, a BC Supreme Court Justice stated the same.
Decades ago, a BC Supreme Court Justice stated the same.
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Canadians: “Vote carefully!”
BREAKING: Pro-Beijing Group That Pushed Erin O’Toole’s Exit Warns Chinese Canadians to “Vote Carefully”
Group that triggered 2021 anti-O'Toole campaign now campaigning for Liberal candidates—while warning against criticism of China and India.
Remember vote Liberal! And vote often!
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True lifetime incarceration is the alternative to capital punishment. Of all the arguments against capital punishment, there is only one that is impossible to dismiss: "because mistaken convictions happen". It doesn't make much sense to parole or otherwise grant privileges outside incarceration to a convict if he might have been executed but for the need to preserve his life against the possibility of a mistake.
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throw in some cameras, add the condition if they can make it back to civilization they are free to go, sell the channel pay per view. win win
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There's been a supreme court decision about this, awhile back...
Canada supreme court rules life without chance of parole is ‘cruel’ and illegal
Decision setting parole eligibility at 25 years could give hope to at least 18 mass killers serving multiple life sentences
Canada’s supreme court has ruled that life sentences without the chance of parole are both “cruel” and unconstitutional, in a landmark decision that could give more than dozen mass killers who committed “inherently despicable acts” the faint hope of release in the future.
The court unanimously determined on Friday that sentencing killers to lengthy prison terms with little hope of freedom risked bringing the “administration of justice into disrepute”.
Forty years for a mosque killer, when murderers of white victims get 75? | Emer O’Toole
The closely watched case centred on the fate of Alexandre Bissonnette, the gunman who killed six worshippers at a mosque in Québec City in 2017, but the court’s decision will possibly have consequences for at least 18 others who are serving multiple life sentences.
In Canada, those serving a life sentence for first-degree murder are eligible to apply for parole at 25 years. But in 2011, the Conservative government gave justices the ability to hand out consecutive sentences, rather than concurrent blocks of 25 years.
In the case of Bissonnette, the 27-year-old pleaded guilty to six counts of first-degree murder and six counts of attempted murder in 2018, after he entered the Islamic Cultural Centre in Québec City with a semi-automatic rifle and pistol, opening fire on worshippers. The prime minister, Justin Trudeau, called the act a “terrorist attack”.
Drawing on the 2011 provision, Crown prosecutors asked a judge to impose a parole ineligibility period of 150 years, the harshest sentence ever handed down in Canada since the abolition of the death penalty. Prosecutors said Bissonnette should serve 25 consecutive years for each of the six people he murdered.
The sentencing judge instead ruled Bissonnette would have the chance of parole at 40 years. That decision was overturned in 2020 by Quebec’s court of appeal, which ruled unanimously that Bissonnette should have a chance of parole at 25 years.
Bissonnette, now 32, will be eligible to apply for parole in his 50s.
Canada supreme court rules life without chance of parole is ‘cruel’ and illegal
Decision setting parole eligibility at 25 years could give hope to at least 18 mass killers serving multiple life sentences
www.theguardian.com
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People coming out of the woodwork to vote, could be the sudden rise in Liberal support.
The Elbows up crowd is gaining momentum.
The Elbows up crowd is gaining momentum.
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Yes. "Cruel" is just a value judgement with which I disagree.
Who does "the court" answer to? It seems that they keep moving the goal posts every decade or so. At first it was the death penalty was cruel, now it is life in prison in cruel and unusual and whilst they are doing that the medical profession is advocating for a humane system for ending life for those who no longer want it. So on one hand we have a group of unelected bureaucrats imposing their ideas on human rights to keep a bunch of blackguards that the rest of us would like to see exterminated and on the other side another group, are trying to make it easier to terminate the lives of those who in many cases simply have a lack of external (family) support; including finances. Does no one else see the irony in that?
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There's been a supreme court decision about this, awhile back...
Canada supreme court rules life without chance of parole is ‘cruel’ and illegal
Decision setting parole eligibility at 25 years could give hope to at least 18 mass killers serving multiple life sentences
Canada’s supreme court has ruled that life sentences without the chance of parole are both “cruel” and unconstitutional, in a landmark decision that could give more than dozen mass killers who committed “inherently despicable acts” the faint hope of release in the future.
The court unanimously determined on Friday that sentencing killers to lengthy prison terms with little hope of freedom risked bringing the “administration of justice into disrepute”.
Forty years for a mosque killer, when murderers of white victims get 75? | Emer O’Toole
The closely watched case centred on the fate of Alexandre Bissonnette, the gunman who killed six worshippers at a mosque in Québec City in 2017, but the court’s decision will possibly have consequences for at least 18 others who are serving multiple life sentences.
In Canada, those serving a life sentence for first-degree murder are eligible to apply for parole at 25 years. But in 2011, the Conservative government gave justices the ability to hand out consecutive sentences, rather than concurrent blocks of 25 years.
In the case of Bissonnette, the 27-year-old pleaded guilty to six counts of first-degree murder and six counts of attempted murder in 2018, after he entered the Islamic Cultural Centre in Québec City with a semi-automatic rifle and pistol, opening fire on worshippers. The prime minister, Justin Trudeau, called the act a “terrorist attack”.
Drawing on the 2011 provision, Crown prosecutors asked a judge to impose a parole ineligibility period of 150 years, the harshest sentence ever handed down in Canada since the abolition of the death penalty. Prosecutors said Bissonnette should serve 25 consecutive years for each of the six people he murdered.
The sentencing judge instead ruled Bissonnette would have the chance of parole at 40 years. That decision was overturned in 2020 by Quebec’s court of appeal, which ruled unanimously that Bissonnette should have a chance of parole at 25 years.
Bissonnette, now 32, will be eligible to apply for parole in his 50s.
Canada supreme court rules life without chance of parole is ‘cruel’ and illegal
Decision setting parole eligibility at 25 years could give hope to at least 18 mass killers serving multiple life sentences
It befuddles me that we hand wring about level cruelty murderers and rapists receive as a consequence of their behavior and conduct.
But that's just me.
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Latest on the White House actually letting CBC ask a question - more on this after a Team Red member of this panel yesterday (playfully?) suggested Trump was in cahoots with CBC on the question ...
If you don't want to watch this for 2 1/2 minutes, bottom line appears to be: White House happened to pick CBC, CBC asked a question on tariffs and WH spokesperson answered, spiking the answer a bit with a 51st state reference.
Occam's Razor and all that ...
Occam's Razor and all that ...
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I find decisions like Nur and Bissonette personally frustrating- but I also have to remind myself that such decisions, and the court's role in making them, are an important check/balance against tyranny via law. It may seem like handwringing when it's about the literal worst in our society, but those same guiding principles shape our judicial response across the board.
That being said- the legislative and executive branches need to nut up and respond to those decisions by the judiciary by re-writing and finessing the law to accomplish what needs to be accomplished without breaching those decisions.
Like ok. SCC has determined that straight consecutive sentences that create no chance of parole violate the charter. OK. What about the initial appeal judges ruling of something more than 25 years but less than the lock up and throw away the key of 150. Could we legislate for consecutive sentences, but each after the 1st is counted at 25%, to a maximum of 50 years?
Similarly with Nur. Dissect the decision and rewrite the pertinent laws so the the definitions of the offenses triggering the minimum sentences aren't so broad as to be potentially disproportionate.
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No, that's lots of us.
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