2025 Ontario Election

[Rifleman62]

We have far too many "administrators" and "managers" in government period.
The level of bureaucracy is ridiculous.

My MD in Kelowna said the same.

Regional District, BC Health, Province, Ministry, Feds. All employing bureaucrats.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The Opposition is constantly screaming, "hospitals don't have enough nurses!" and "hospitals don't have enough doctors!" "Nurses don't get paid enough!"
It's disingenuous to blame government, especially when those extra people exist.
The proper blame belongs on the hospital administrators, the COOs and CAOs, who cut positions in the attempt to maximize profits. They are the ones that say how many doctors, nurses are employed or the wages they get at at an individual facility, not government.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The Opposition is constantly screaming, "hospitals don't have enough nurses!" and "hospitals don't have enough doctors!" "Nurses don't get paid enough!"
It's disingenuous to blame government, especially when those extra people exist.
The proper blame belongs on the hospital administrators, the COOs and CAOs, who cut positions in the attempt to maximize profits. They are the ones that say how many doctors, nurses are employed or the wages they get at at an individual facility, not government.

You could bring in Nurses and Doctors directly from other countries, but the universities would scream because they want to guard their sandbox.

 

[dapaterson]

You could bring in Nurses and Doctors directly from other countries, but the universities would scream because they want to guard their sandbox.

More their professional colleges that protect the professions, not the public.

 

[lenaitch]

The Opposition is constantly screaming, "hospitals don't have enough nurses!" and "hospitals don't have enough doctors!" "Nurses don't get paid enough!"
It's disingenuous to blame government, especially when those extra people exist.
The proper blame belongs on the hospital administrators, the COOs and CAOs, who cut positions in the attempt to maximize profits. They are the ones that say how many doctors, nurses are employed or the wages they get at at an individual facility, not government.

Seeing as hospitals are 100% funded by the government (in Ontario anyway), I didn't realize running a hospital was a for-profit venture.

The vast majority of hospitals in Ontario are corporations incorporated under the Not-For-Profit Corporations Act (which kinda suggests they can't run a profit) and get all of their revenue from the government. Most, if not all, run deficits. Doctors fees are negotiated between the OMA and the government. Nurses wages are negotiated between the government and their union. Argue that the Board of a particular hospital might not be allocating their funds effectively, but it is certainly not because they are trying to "maximize profits".

 

[daftandbarmy]

More their professional colleges that protect the professions, not the public.

Well, if you'd just stop asking for those stupid sick notes, everything would be OK...

B.C. College of Family Physicians calls for an end to sick notes​

They are not medically necessary and we want to get back to caring for patients, says BCCFP vice president​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/doctor-sick-notes-1.7446620

 

[RangerRay]

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Well, if you'd just stop asking for those stupid sick notes, everything would be OK...

B.C. College of Family Physicians calls for an end to sick notes​

They are not medically necessary and we want to get back to caring for patients, says BCCFP vice president​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/doctor-sick-notes-1.7446620

Good. Most of the time they’re a waste of time and medical resources, and inhibit recovery. If I have a cold or flu and am unable to perform my job effectively and pose a health risk to others, I shouldn’t have to go to a walk-in clinic for four hours to waste a doctor’s time to tell me I have a flu and to stay home, get rest and drink fluids. In the meantime, I slowed my recovery for four hours, I spread my germs to others in a crowded waiting room and I was exposed to germs from others in the same crowded waiting room, leading to more time off work.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You could bring in Nurses and Doctors directly from other countries, but the universities would scream because they want to guard their sandbox.

That's what Poliviere wants to do. A Blue Seal qualification for professionals, not just Doctors and Nurses.

 

[dapaterson]

That's what Poliviere wants to do. A Blue Seal qualification for professionals, not just Doctors and Nurses.

Except they are areas of provincial, not federal, authority and responsibility.

 

[GR66]

Except they are areas of provincial, not federal, authority and responsibility.

Now, with the US tariffs encouraging all the Premiers to lower inter-provincial trade barriers would be the ideal time to get them to agree on National standards.

 

[dapaterson]

Now, with the US tariffs encouraging all the Premiers to lower inter-provincial trade barriers would be the ideal time to get them to agree on National standards.

Here's hoping.

 

[The Bread Guy]

You could bring in Nurses and Doctors directly from other countries, but the universities would scream because they want to guard their sandbox.

You spelled “professional colleges/guilds” wrong.

 

[The Bread Guy]

The Opposition is constantly screaming, "hospitals don't have enough nurses!" and "hospitals don't have enough doctors!" "Nurses don't get paid enough!"

I’ve lived in a Red-governed Ontario short of doctors since I was a young adult, and I’ve lived in a Blue-governed Ontario where hospital beds/staffing was cut without adequate home-based care put into place before or after said cuts. Under both Red and Blue rule, there were always waiting lists for long-term care/nursing home beds. So like with veterans federally, neither party has painted themselves with glory on this file in the past 30-40 years.

The proper blame belongs on the hospital administrators, the COOs and CAOs, who cut positions in the attempt to maximize profits.

I'll blame hospitals for managerial bloat, for sure, but who's getting these "profits"?

They are the ones that say how many doctors, nurses are employed or the wages they get at at an individual facility, not government.

But government DOES control how much funding goes to med schools and nursing schools, so they do have their hand on the faucet to an extent. Another player here is the doctors' licensing colleges, who DO control how many docs get licensed, and how. One former hospital administrator who used to work for The Nuns (knew how to squeeze a penny) said the strongest union out there is the Ontario Medical Association.

 

[YZT580]

I’ve lived in a Red-governed Ontario short of doctors since I was a young adult, and I’ve lived in a Blue-governed Ontario where hospital beds/staffing was cut without adequate home-based care put into place before or after said cuts. Under both Red and Blue rule, there were always waiting lists for long-term care/nursing home beds. So like with veterans federally, neither party has painted themselves with glory on this file in the past 30-40 years.

I'll blame hospitals for managerial bloat, for sure, but who's getting these "profits"?

But government DOES control how much funding goes to med schools and nursing schools, so they do have their hand on the faucet to an extent. Another player here is the doctors' licensing colleges, who DO control how many docs get licensed, and how. One former hospital administrator who used to work for The Nuns (knew how to squeeze a penny) said the strongest union out there is the Ontario Medical Association.

small side bar: there appear to be as many off-shore candidates admitted to medical courses as there are Canadian residents. How do you expect to get the positions filled when 50% or more of your graduates go back to their homeland?

 

[Rifleman62]

How do you expect to get the positions filled when 50% or more of your graduates go back to their homeland?

I doubt all do.

Merritt, BC - ER closed 42 times over two years. The Mayor suggested that graduates of medical, nursing school (RN/LPN) must be posted for two years to a location where there is a need.

Merritt has two modern home trailers which give rent free accn for med pers.

 

[Good2Golf]

small side bar: there appear to be as many off-shore candidates admitted to medical courses as there are Canadian residents. How do you expect to get the positions filled when 50% or more of your graduates go back to their homeland?

In part from the building US brain-drain of medical folks telegraphing transition to Canada.

 

[The Bread Guy]

On the law & order front, some legislation coming from Team Blue Ontario Franchise ....

Ontario looks to speed up judicial appointments, add more judges to courts

TORONTO - Ontario is set to introduce legislation this week that would speed up judicial appointments, add more judges to the Ontario Court of Justice and create new prosecution teams,

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

... with this from the info-machine itself:

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

News release also archived here.

Now, with all these judges throwing more people in jail, I know there's big work expanding jail space in places like Thunder Bay & Brockville - is this going to be enough?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Daring, even if thrown out there extemporaneously ...

Doug Ford floats idea of electing judges in rant on bail reform

Ontario Premier Doug Ford blasted judges in the province whom he perceives as being soft on crime, and floated ideas on Wednesday such as electing judges and offering them payouts

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

... "The system is broken, and once these judges get into their position, they have this sense of entitlement," Ford said.

"That's what drives me crazy. We were democratically elected as a government. And I always say, the legislature is supreme and the people are supreme. When you get a mandate to do something, you can't have judges constantly overruling the government."

Ford then criticized a judge who recently ordered the province to pause the removal of some bike lanes in Toronto until a constitutional challenge is decided. Don't judges have anything better to do than worry about bike lanes, Ford asked.

"What right do they have (as) unelected, politically appointed judges determining our budgets," he said.

"We get elected democratically. Last time I checked, there hasn't been any judges elected. Maybe that's the problem. We should do what the U.S. does. Let's start electing our judges, holding them accountable. And that's my rant for the day, because I've just had it."

Attorney General Doug Downey then approached the press conference podium to add his own comments on the subject and joked that Ford's remarks were actually restrained.

"You should see what he says in private," Downey said ...

 

[OldSolduer]

Now, with all these judges throwing more people in jail, I know there's big work expanding jail space in places like Thunder Bay & Brockville - is this going to be enough?

In Manitoba we close jails and stuff three to a cell made for originally one, then two and now three in some cases. What's the big deal???