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The big fires this year are for the most part the very same ones from last year 
2025 Wildfire Season
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Very much related — tree planting are way down. (National Service tasking?)
Tree planting to plummet
Amid wildfires, B.C. tree planting to plummet for third year - BC News
Tree planting to plummet
Amid wildfires, B.C. tree planting to plummet for third year - BC News
daftandbarmy
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The forest industry is collapsing, so why plant trees...
Opinion: Poor policy decisions have helped B.C.’s forestry decline
Provincial leaders must consider what can be done to improve the outlook for a foundational industry
www.biv.com
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Exactly.The forest industry is collapsing, so why plant trees...
Opinion: Poor policy decisions have helped B.C.’s forestry decline
Provincial leaders must consider what can be done to improve the outlook for a foundational industry
When you continually remove landbase and allowable cut from forestry companies, why bother planting any more trees?
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Canada pledged to plant 2 billion trees by 2030 — it’s not going so well - National | Globalnews.ca
The government isn't on track to get even four per cent of the promised trees in the ground by the end of 2030, according to an audit by the environment commissioner.
globalnews.ca
Because climate change.
Also, if you subscribe to BlackLocks Reporter, they have a good article on how 2 Billion was transferred for FN tree planting. Very few trees were planted, and the little work that was done was outsourced. No accountability, no ability to enforce, needs to be funded again. Also, the 3.1 billion federal program was originally costed at 5 times per planned tree more than the forest industry spend per plant.
This is why companies and not the government must perform the job, or it won’t get done.
daftandbarmy
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Canada pledged to plant 2 billion trees by 2030 — it’s not going so well - National | Globalnews.ca
The government isn't on track to get even four per cent of the promised trees in the ground by the end of 2030, according to an audit by the environment commissioner.
Because climate change.
Also, if you subscribe to BlackLocks Reporter, they have a good article on how 2 Billion was transferred for FN tree planting. Very few trees were planted, and the little work that was done was outsourced. No accountability, no ability to enforce, needs to be funded again. Also, the 3.1 billion federal program was originally costed at 5 times per planned tree more than the forest industry spend per plant.
This is why companies and not the government must perform the job, or it won’t get done.
Most reforestation programs are usually part of a forest management prescription approved for logging companies. If you take the trees you are mandated to replace them when you're done, and are compensated for that task which is a big project management resource burn.
You are also inspected up to the 'free to grow' stage, usually about 2 years following planting, to make sure the stand will thrive.
No economic activity (e.g. logging) = no tree planting. Natural regeneration is very unpredictable and can take 100 years, whereas well planned and managed silviculture activity can cut that regen period in half.
@foresterab will now probably come along and correct me
daftandbarmy
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You don't want to be this guy if he ever gets out...
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Fast response to catch him that quick. Kuddo's to the Newfoundland Constables involved. Would be worth a beer to hear the inside story if opportunity allows especially regarding how he was identified so fast/arrested.
Arson is no laughing matter and while it's a high bar to determine that it was "Arson" vs. mischief...i.e. lighting with intent often of criminal nature...it does happen around the country. Several others have been arrested this year alone in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta for starting wildfires (what I gleaned off the first 3 pages of a google search) plus a bunch for building arson/extortion rackets around the country.
Arson is no laughing matter and while it's a high bar to determine that it was "Arson" vs. mischief...i.e. lighting with intent often of criminal nature...it does happen around the country. Several others have been arrested this year alone in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta for starting wildfires (what I gleaned off the first 3 pages of a google search) plus a bunch for building arson/extortion rackets around the country.
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It's easier than trying to start a flood.
We nailed a member of a rural volunteer FD with multiple counts of arson a number of years ago. We never did determine whether the motive was response money or 'hero syndrome'.
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It's easier than trying to start a flood.
We nailed a member of a rural volunteer FD with multiple counts of arson a number of years ago. We never did determine whether the motive was response money or 'hero syndrome'.
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So a little side bar on Canadian ignorance.
Was on FB earlier this week and saw a post about the forest fires in Ontario. Some bone head made a comment to the effect
Idiot "Why don't we get all the bomber aircraft from the RCAF to drop water bombs on these fires"
Me " The RCAF has zero bombers, not going to happen"
Idiot (Later on) "I just googled the RCAF helicopters and it says they have over 300, we could turn them all into heli-water bombers and put these fires out immediately"
Me "Your kidding? WE still have a country to defend, other nations to assist and other domestic responsibilities. I am not sure we can turn any RCAF helicopters into "heli-water bombers"
I then bailed out of the conversation realizing it was pointless and I would have a better dialogue with a fence post. It hits one of those nerves that has bothered me for a long time. The civilian population not really understanding what the CAF does and what we are here to do.
Was on FB earlier this week and saw a post about the forest fires in Ontario. Some bone head made a comment to the effect
Idiot "Why don't we get all the bomber aircraft from the RCAF to drop water bombs on these fires"
Me " The RCAF has zero bombers, not going to happen"
Idiot (Later on) "I just googled the RCAF helicopters and it says they have over 300, we could turn them all into heli-water bombers and put these fires out immediately"
Me "Your kidding? WE still have a country to defend, other nations to assist and other domestic responsibilities. I am not sure we can turn any RCAF helicopters into "heli-water bombers"
I then bailed out of the conversation realizing it was pointless and I would have a better dialogue with a fence post. It hits one of those nerves that has bothered me for a long time. The civilian population not really understanding what the CAF does and what we are here to do.
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And what would they say about Canadian legislators asking their DOJ for an independent investigation on aaaaaallll those illegal guns coming into Canada?
You must be new to Facebook if you’re that surprised
Not just the CAF - I notice the same level of “expertise” on aaaaaalllll kinds of topics I know a bit about, too. That’s why you get the memes about someone being an expert at x this week and at y the next 
Question: The British are importing tons of wood chips from the States to use as environmentally acceptable fuel. Would it not be, if not profitable at least a break even measure to run chippers near all that deadfall, bag it and sell it on?Most reforestation programs are usually part of a forest management prescription approved for logging companies. If you take the trees you are mandated to replace them when you're done, and are compensated for that task which is a big project management resource burn.
You are also inspected up to the 'free to grow' stage, usually about 2 years following planting, to make sure the stand will thrive.
No economic activity (e.g. logging) = no tree planting. Natural regeneration is very unpredictable and can take 100 years, whereas well planned and managed silviculture activity can cut that regen period in half.
@foresterab will now probably come along and correct me
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While that IS a handy throw-away message/tag line, remember the old days when experts were being pissed on when they said, "hey, climate's only going to get worse, so we better get more shit into the forest fire fighting game"?
This, via Chat GPT ....
- "1993 — Canadian Forest Service scientists Wotton & Flannigan projected a significantly longer fire season in a warming climate and noted “greater strains on management agencies”—an early, explicit warning that fire management capacity would need to grow. pubs.cif-ifc.orgResearchGate
- 2000–2005 — A wave of federal research (Flannigan/Stocks/Wotton) projected large increases in fire activity and area burned this century, laying the scientific case that more resources and new approaches would be required. www7.nau.eduSpringerLinksites.ualberta.ca
- 2005 — The Canadian Wildland Fire Strategy (CWFS), endorsed by all federal, provincial and territorial forest ministers, formally warned that climate change would “greatly increase” fires, that current capacity was eroding, and that governments must build preparedness/mitigation and increase suppression capacity. (This is the first pan-Canadian political call tying climate change to increased resources and multi-level planning.) Government of Canada Publications
- 2016 (10-year review) — Ottawa and the provinces issued a “renewed call to action,” saying jurisdictions were “reaching the limits of what existing suppression resources can achieve” and urging increased capacity plus stronger prevention/mitigation (FireSmart). ccfm.org"
Also, I wonder which way insurance companies are betting re: rates in the future on this risk ...
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Anyone who got off the main highways in BC and could observe the results of pine and spruce beetle infestations long ago could predict heightened fire risks in those areas. Also, the accumulated decades of diligent forest fire fighting throughout North America dramatically reduced natural burns and piled up more fuel. Climate change isn't the only factor, and it's doubtful anyone can quantify its share.
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BC and other Canadian firms are already doing that, and have been for years.
The value added wood sector relies on the 'cast aways' from the mainstream logging industry though and, if they aren't producing, neither will all your cool 'innovative' fibre ideas.
Bottom line: if the cost of doing business is insanely high, like in BC, nothing is going to be profitable.
