8 Jan 2020: UKR Airliner shot down in Tehran

[gryphonv]

Ukraine International Flight 752, a Boeing 737, crashed outside Tehran.

Still seems like there is more happening.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/plane-...hran-1.5418562

Also:

USGS has confirmed a quake southwest of Shiraz.

 

[brihard]

Ukraine International Flight 752, a Boeing 737, crashed outside Tehran.

Still seems like there is more happening.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/plane-...hran-1.5418562

Also:

USGS has confirmed a quake southwest of Shiraz.

63 Canadians dead in the crash per Ukraine. Iran and Ukraine both suspect mechanical. Note that this is NOT the new version of 737 (MAX) that went down twice in the past couple years; this was a 737-800 Next Gen.

May I recommend a thread split for the plane crash?

 

[The Bread Guy]

May I recommend a thread split for the plane crash?

Good call - done.

Milnet.ca Staff

 

[The Bread Guy]

This just out from UKR - highlights mine ...

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy commissioned to initiate criminal proceedings as regards the crash of a passenger plane of Ukraine International Airlines near Tehran International Airport (Iran). The Head of State also stressed the need to conduct an airworthiness test of the entire civilian fleet.

"Dreadful news from the Middle East. This morning, after taking off from Imam Khomeini International Airport (Tehran), the passenger aircraft of Ukraine International Airlines crashed near the airport. According to preliminary reports, all passengers and crew are dead. My sincere condolences to the families and friends of all passengers and crew members,” the President of Ukraine said.

According to him, the ambassador and consul of Ukraine in Iran are at the scene of the disaster.

“Pursuant to my instruction, the NSDC apparatus has established an operational headquarters. Special aircrafts for conveyance of the bodies have been prepared to depart to Tehran via the line of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense. We are waiting for the agreement of the Iranian side for departure,” Volodymyr Zelenskyy said.

The President also tasked the Prosecutor General of Ukraine to initiate criminal proceedings regarding the UIA plane crash in Tehran.

“An investigation commission should be set up of representatives of the security agencies and agencies responsible for civil aviation. We have to check all the possible versions. Regardless of the conclusions on the causes of the Iranian catastrophe, the airworthiness of the entire civilian fleet will be tested,” the Head of State said.

“I keep all measures under personal control. I urge everyone to refrain from speculation and putting forward unverified versions of the disaster before the official announcements,” he added.

According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 11 Ukrainian (2 passengers and 9 crew members), 63 Canadian, 82 Iranian, 3 German, 10 Swedish, 4 Afghan and 3 British citizens were on board. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is currently updating the information on passengers ...

Also, a reminder attached about breaking news as ther story unfolds.

 

[brihard]

There’s video out now purporting to be a cell phone video (from a distance, at night) of the plane on fire before it hits the ground. Looks like it caught fire just after takeoff. The video continues right through to impact- big fireball.

The crash was about 8 hours ago, and took place around 3-4 hours after the missiles were fired. Nothing credible to suggest a link with military/deliberate action at this time.

However this happened it’s goddamned awful and my heart goes out to those affected. Dozens of Canadian families will be waking up in the next few hours to hear of this and fear the worst for their loved ones.

Hopefully, in the larger context of events in the region, this is ‘just’ a civil aviation disaster.

 

[Sub_Guy]

Nothing credible to suggest a link with military/deliberate action at this time.

No, there isn’t anything credible.  However, it is most likely this aircraft suffered a sudden event which precluded the flight deck from communicating with the ground.

If it was mechanical and it did indeed go down in a ball of flames then there are some issues that need to be addressed ASAP.  Aircraft rarely fall out of the sky in a fireball.

Terrible tragedy.  RIP

 

[The Bread Guy]

UKR's Ministry of Infrastructure has published a list on its Facebook page of the names of the dead w/years of birth included - here's hoping all the NOK have been notified.

Meanwhile, this also from the Ministry (Google Translate - original in Ukrainian):

... According to the decision of the State Aviation Service, flights in the airspace of Iran are forbidden to Ukrainian airlines from 00.00 9.01.2020 - until the causes of the catastrophe are clarified. The State Aviation Service will conduct an unscheduled inspection of the safety of UIA flights. Additional checks on the safety of flights of other airlines will also be carried out, ”said Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Vladislav Krykliy.

(...)

The Iranian National Commission for Disaster Investigation has begun its work. The Ukrainian ambassador and the consul are working closely with the Iranian aviation authorities to promptly identify the causes of the crash and the repatriation of the bodies of the dead Ukrainians. A search assistance team and experts will be sent to Iran to investigate the cause of the five-person crash of the National Bureau of Investigation into Civil Aviation and Incidents, two State Aviation Specialists and three UIA officials. The causes of the tragedy will be named only after an official investigation has been carried out, ”the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine emphasized.

UIA reports that the Boeing 737-800 NG was new, production 2016 and underwent the last scheduled maintenance on January 6 ...

 

[Spencer100]

Iran will not turn over the "black" boxes

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Iran will not turn over the "black" boxes

Source?

 

[Spencer100]

Source?

https://www.jpost.com//Middle-East/Ukranian-plane-crashes-in-Iranian-after-technical-issue-613494

 

[mariomike]

Source?

Various,
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22black+box%22+iran&sxsrf=ACYBGNR-0iay7-R1OkwYQQMeAfyasP0CcQ:1578493938977&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje5IyUnPTmAhVBKawKHSByCFQQpwV6BAgMEBs&biw=1280&bih=641#spf=1578493950594

 

[dapaterson]

Source?

It's being reported by the Jerusalem Post: https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Ukranian-plane-crashes-in-Iranian-after-technical-issue-613494

Iran's civil aviation organization has said that it will not hand over to Boeing the black box of the Ukrainian airlines flight that crashed shortly after taking off from Tehran's Imam Khomeni airport on Wednesday morning.
Both black boxes were found Wednesday, Iranian state television has reported. An Iranian official was quoted as saying both boxes were damaged but that it was believed their data could still be retrieved.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

https://www.jpost.com//Middle-East/Ukranian-plane-crashes-in-Iranian-after-technical-issue-613494

Thanks!

I do not know what caused this aircraft to crash, but I will note that it is extremely rare for modern commercial airliners to just catch fire and crash all by themselves, giving the crew no time to react or talk to ATC about the problem.

Just sayin...

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[Brad Sallows]

>Aircraft rarely fall out of the sky in a fireball.

The timing is great, isn't it?

 

[The Bread Guy]

It's being reported by the Jerusalem Post: https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Ukranian-plane-crashes-in-Iranian-after-technical-issue-613494

Iran's civil aviation organization has said that it will not hand over to Boeing the black box of the Ukrainian airlines flight that crashed shortly after taking off from Tehran's Imam Khomeni airport on Wednesday morning.
Both black boxes were found Wednesday, Iranian state television has reported. An Iranian official was quoted as saying both boxes were damaged but that it was believed their data could still be retrieved.

A bit more from The Guardian ...

... Commenting after the discovery of the black box flight recorders at the crash site, (Iran’s Civil Aviation Organisation head, Ali) Abedzadeh said: “We will not give the black boxes to the manufacturer (Boeing) and the Americans. It’s not yet clear which country the black box will go to for the investigation,” he added.

“This accident will be investigated by Iran’s aviation organisation but the Ukrainians can also be present during the incident’s investigation,” he added ...

 

[The Bread Guy]

Interesting bit on stats:  UKR's President says this ...

... According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 11 Ukrainian (2 passengers and 9 crew members), 63 Canadian, 82 Iranian, 3 German, 10 Swedish, 4 Afghan and 3 British citizens were on board ...

... while IRN's info-machine (see attached) says this:

... Iranian emergency service officials said the passengers of the doomed plane included 147 Iranians and 32 foreign nationals.

#EarlyReportCaveats

 

[tomahawk6]

Aviation experts on Fox today said that the pilots may have been incapacitated or the plane had suffered electrical failure. Terrorism cannot be discounted maybe that's why the black boxes wont be released. There was speculation that either the NTSB or Canada's version might yet get the black boxes. Condolences to the families of those killed in this crash.

Since the CF personnel in Iraq were moved to Kuwait does their hazardous duty pay stop ?

 

[gryphonv]

Interesting bit on stats:  UKR's President says this ...... while IRN's info-machine (see attached) says this:#EarlyReportCaveats

Maybe both are right, on the Iranian side dual citizens are only Iranian. I imagine a lot of the Canadians who sadly lost their lives were dual citizens.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I know we do like to focus on the tactical, strategic and political aspects here, but the CBC has already produced an article detailing the very real human tragedy of this. With a reminder that the victims could have been any of our neighbours, co-workers, peers, even your bank teller, teacher of your children, or local business owner who you have traded a few laughs with.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ukrainian-plane-crash-iran-winnipeggers-1.5418879

 

[The Bread Guy]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand let the seeds of conspiracy theories start to be sown (sources:  here & here) ....