A Deeply Fractured US

[ModlrMike]

DHS is saying he had a handgun and two magazines. Whatever you think of ICE and their tactics I don't think carrying a concealed weapon (if true) while you are planning to confront armed law enforcement officers is a very wise decision.

From the video, it looks like ICE walked up on him. Filming is neither confronting nor obstructing.

 

[HavokFour]

If grey sweater was the first shot, the numbskull may have NDed with the disarmed pistol.

EDIT: Ongoing debate, here's a slowed down video (ignore the title OP used).

I don't think it was Pretti's weapon that went off, slide isn't moving at all. Agent in the background's pants make it easy enough to see.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlz1kn/you_can_see_the_gun_discharge_as_the_first_shot

 

[RangerRay]

From the video, it looks like ICE walked up on him. Filming is neither confronting nor obstructing.

If I’m operating within my powers and authorities, they can film me all they want.

There’s a reason these goons don’t want you filming. And it’s not because they are operating legally or ethically.

 

[McG]

State deploying National Guard to counter ICE. This could go sideways for everyone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015155535142703245

 

[ModlrMike]

State deploying National Guard to counter ICE. This could go sideways for everyone.

Blue on blue?

 

[HavokFour]

New video, ICE searching for the gun that was already removed from Mr. Pretti's person before they opened fire on him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qm0egw/ice_asks_wheres_the_gun_not_realizing_one_of_them

 

[Lumber]

State deploying National Guard to counter ICE. This could go sideways for everyone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015155535142703245

Does he say in the video that it's to counter ICE? I don't think it even COULD work that way. More likely he's deploying the national guard because he foresees the people devolving into complete pandemonium and lawlessness over this.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

State deploying National Guard to counter ICE. This could go sideways for everyone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015155535142703245

Back in 2024 the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at the University of Pennsylvania ran a scenario very similar to what is know happening in Minnesota where there was a conflict between State and Federal authorities and the outcome was Civil War.

More from the Guardian:

We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is exactly how they start | Claire Finkelstein

Developments in Minnesota closely mirror a scenario explored in a 2024 exercise conducted at the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at the University of Pennsylvania, which I direct

www.theguardian.com

Now this was just one scenario run by one Think Tank so it should be taken with a grain of salt. On the other hand, like you say, things could go south very quickly.

 

[brihard]

Ok, so if in fact they disarmed and then shot (11+ times in two separate engagements), a white, male, U.S. citizen, V.A. nurse, who was lawfully carrying a permitted pistol… Yeah. This ain’t going away quickly.

 

[McG]

Does he say in the video that it's to counter ICE? I don't think it even COULD work that way. More likely he's deploying the national guard because he foresees the people devolving into complete pandemonium and lawlessness over this.

He says assisting local police, and he talked about the state needing to take control of the investigation for federal authorities not being trusted to investigate the shooting.

 

[lenaitch]

Kinda like when someone wears a short skirt - they get what is coming to them....

You just didn't say that??

Nice try, but no. Concealed carry is legal in Minnesota so nothing wrong with a person carrying as they go about their business. However, while legal I think that common sense would suggest that if you are planning on confronting armed law enforcement officers...the same officers that are regularly physically accosting other protesters then maybe having a handgun concealed on your person might significantly increase the risk of something bad happening.

Who was "confronting" whom here?

 

[mariomike]

Here in Canada too, there are people fetishizing a US annexation so they can carry guns here and will unashamedly blame the US citizen for possessing a gun in this incident.

Interesting point of view.

Kristi said "an agent's finger was bitten off".

 

[PPCLI Guy]

You just didn't say that??

Yeah - not my finest moment to be sure

 

[Cloud Cover]

One way to deal with trigger fingers … bite them off..

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015162551055573054

 

[HavokFour]

Last video, because it pretty much shows everything. Not only can you clearly see grey jacket remove Alex Pretti's firearm from it's holster, you can also see green shirt next to him watch it happen and proceed to shoot him (first shooter) anway.

A warning, it's a very clear video.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm0kc9/a_stabilized_zoomed_in_slow_motion_version

I need a stiff drink.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Yeah - not my finest moment to be sure

I'm pretty sure we all know the spirit in which you offered the original comment, and its fine.

P.S. I was just on the phone earlier today with my sister, who happens to live in a suburb of Minneapolis, about 12 miles from downtown. She says it's fairly quiet at her place, but it is mostly white suburb, but totally crazy in the core. She says, ICE stops everybody on the basis of profiling. For instance, one of their secretary was arrested until she could prove citizenship. That secretary is American Native and the only basis of interception was the colour of her skin. My sister also said that the disproportion between the number of ICE agents going around and the number of Police officers from the city force makes it look like a bloody occupation of downtown.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Last video, because it pretty much shows everything. Not only can you clearly see grey jacket remove Alex Pretti's firearm from it's holster, you can also see green shirt next to him watch it happen and proceed to shoot him (first shooter) anway.

A warning, it's a very clear video.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm0kc9/a_stabilized_zoomed_in_slow_motion_version

I need a stiff drink.

Shot in the back. Cowards!!!!!

 

[Good2Golf]

I need a stiff drink

I lost track of how many rounds went straight into his back…

 

[Lumber]

Man, if this shooting has you feeling a little awful, then do NOT go into the r/conservative subreddit and read their responses/take on this event. It won't be good for your mental health...

 

[RangerRay]

Last video, because it pretty much shows everything. Not only can you clearly see grey jacket remove Alex Pretti's firearm from it's holster, you can also see green shirt next to him watch it happen and proceed to shoot him (first shooter) anway.

A warning, it's a very clear video.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm0kc9/a_stabilized_zoomed_in_slow_motion_version

I need a stiff drink.

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

I don’t care who you are. That was completely unjustified.

Did these goons leave before the ambulance arrived too?